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Comment posted Scotland Transerv report on A83 Rest and Be Thankful emergency routes by Robert Wakeham.

So some oaf has given this the thumbs down but has nothing to say on the matter.

Robert Wakeham also commented

  • Robert Allan – I’m not trying to diminish the need for the A82 Action Group – far from it – but I think getting the facts right is vital to ensuring credibility when dealing with the government.
    I’m wary of ‘official’ facts that contradict reality. Perhaps you’re letting the fact that the A82 is a trunk road, and naturally recognised as such by organisations that visitors use to find the ‘right route’, get in the way of the reality that very many users who know the road avoid the stretch north of Tarbet if they possibly can. (It’s the stretch between Tarbet and the foot of Glen Falloch that’s the ‘nightmare’, as you say – not the stretch up the glen, which has been rebuilt all the way to Crianlarich).
    Agreed, for traffic between the Glasgow area and Fort William / Mallaig / Skye it’s not easily avoided, but I’d suggest that much of the traffic to Inverness heads up to Stirling and the A9, an easier route, especially for large vehicles. The same logic influences heavy vehicles headed for the Oban area, the route via Inveraray being easier if slightly longer. And I get the clear impression that a good deal of the rest of the traffic between Glasgow & Oban uses this route.
    I don’t think I’m seriously in error at all in believing that as much – if not more – traffic goes over the Rest than up Loch Lomond north of Tarbet, and the comment from ‘zx135’ seems to support this. If you can’t explain where you got your figure of ‘less than 20%’ from I’ll suspect that you might be over-egging the traffic flow on this stretch of the A82 in your concern that the likely substantial cost of work to ‘fix the Rest’ might prejudice the further improvement of the A82 after the Pulpit Rock scheme and the Crianlarich bypass are completed.
    When & if the whole of the A82 between Tarbet and Glen Falloch is brought up to scratch, the volume of traffic could well increase – but until such time the bits that make the trunk road designation a complete joke will continue to deter people from using it.
  • Robert Allan, you also seem to be confused about the Oban traffic, as to & from Glasgow most of it uses the A83 over the Rest and travels via Inveraray, rather than via Crianlarich, as it’s an easier route albeit a mile longer. . As you still think that your A82 figures are correct, and as you’ve said that the A83 handles less than 20% of the traffic, could you say whose figures they are?
  • Robert Allan – are you sure that more than four fifths of the traffic on the A82 on Loch Lomondside is on the same road north of Tarbet rather than on the A83 over the Rest? I find that difficult to believe.
  • A couple of points that can easily be missed; the A83 over the Rest might be in a ‘sparsely populated area of the country’ but it is by no means a lightly used road – yes it’s busier in midsummer, and no it’s not the M8 – but it carries substantial traffic at all times of year. Also, because it traverses a sparsely populated area, the cost of acquiring land for essential improvements should be minimal, even allowing for legal fees. This often seems to be overlooked in talking of the cost of road improvements in rural areas.
  • It’s good to see such a thorough and unbiased review of the two options, and the preference for the military road is easily understandable. How much the necessary improvements will change its character is quite difficult to imagine, but it’s reassuring (and instructive) that the stone bridges can be refurbished and only the concrete bridge is inadequate.
    Perhaps the best thing about this report is that it should bring home to any reasonably intelligent politician just how difficult – and expensive – the implications of neglecting our lifeline trunk road system are. I wonder how many MSPs will bother to read it?

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