Malcolm, you probably well know that if you …

Comment posted Russell Bruce: The Economist and ‘the flying Scots’ by Anne Baird.

Malcolm, you probably well know that if you trawl through the different elections you can portray any of the main parties as winners or losers. What’s relevant to people is now. I don’t think the people of Argyll & Bute are going to vote the way they did last time. They seem quite cheesed off with the current administration.

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  • W.S. That’s not something you can accuse Ken of. In the years I’ve known him I’ve not once heard anything remotely anti-English pass his lips, or indeed anti-anything. He’s a gentleman at all times.

    Apart from anything else it would be too daft for words in a political party that has a decent percentage of members, and candidates, who hail from the south.

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  1. The journalistic quality of the above makes the journalists at The Economist look good – and please bear in mind that there were only a few involved in producing the article – not the whole of England ! Journalists are there to create headlines – sometimes you win – sometimes you don’t. That’s how they earn their money – whether the article is right or wrong it is only there to create the said headline and produce the above sad outcry. Get over it !

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  2. I’d like to see the results of the same sort of review just on Scotland, divided into areas. In the same way that the ‘London’ bar on the Economist chart shows the gap between per capita ‘value added’ there compared with any other area – but hides huge variations within London – The ‘Scotland’ bar hides huge variations within this country. I’d be interested to see how Edinburgh would figure, and I suspect that, if Islay were to be singled out, most people would be astonished at its performance.

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  3. Malcolm,

    Have you purchased and read a copy of the current Economist?

    What exactly is ‘sad’ or even ‘an outcry’ in Russell Bruce’s article above? What precisely are the journalistic failures that are so evident to you but not to me?

    Sometimes I wonder if you ever actually read an article or a comment before replying.

    Perhaps you should write an article for ForArgyll in defence of the Union? Then we can all see just how good your own journalistic qualities are.

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  4. I bought the Economist for the first -and probably last- time yesterday. The front cover along with the rather offensive jokey map stated “It’ll cost you” and that was certainly true. It cost £4.20 !

    The Economist is reported to be a “respected” journal but it would appear that Malcolm Kirk accords it the sort of approach to journalism that we more commonly associate with the redtops.

    The main editorial article was much more balanced than the cover would suggest although as Russell Bruce’s analysis demonstrates above it would not unduly distress nationalists as it ground out many previously posed pro unionist arguments and opinions that have been heard before and refuted before.

    Not much then to “get over” within the actual text but the cover is a sad, rather juvenile,extremely arrogant and patronising view of Scotland that, were it applied to any other nation would, rightly, cause considerable offence.

    As it happens it has so far resulted in an additional two members for Oban Branch SNP and a generous donation from a resident of Obankrupt towards the election fund.

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  5. The Economist is a British magazine with a global readership in the top socio-economic demographics.

    The Economist is NOT England.

    Russell Bruce: “the English decide to be stupid. Sad really because this London centric nonsense diminishes English intelligence and undermines England’s ability to see themselves as others see them.”

    With your “always blame it on England and the English” mentality I despair and pray that you are just a throwback.

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    • I understand that the global readership was denied the offensive cover that fronted the UK edition. The “international” cover was quite different.
      W.S. protests too much.Russell Bruce deplores the publication because it diminishes the fair play we expect from intelligent English opinion.
      Unionist spokespeople in Scotland from what are still called in our media “the three main parties” were united in condemning SNP responses but silent on the actual issue; now that is what we expect of Alex Fergusson, Willie Rennie and Elaine Murray!

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      • Now you’re at it….”Russell Bruce deplores the publication because it diminishes the fair play we expect from intelligent English opinion.”……”English Opinion !!!!!”

        You and Mr Bruce have let the indy mask slip; for the hardcore its really just Scotland v England.

        Pathetic, old fashioned, and very damaging to the cause.

        BTW The Economist gets most of its sales in North America and is aimed at the $100,000+ earner.

        For you two to bleaty on about it representing “English” attitudes towards us tells us all we need to know about you.

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        • W.S. That’s not something you can accuse Ken of. In the years I’ve known him I’ve not once heard anything remotely anti-English pass his lips, or indeed anti-anything. He’s a gentleman at all times.

          Apart from anything else it would be too daft for words in a political party that has a decent percentage of members, and candidates, who hail from the south.

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  8. Am I right in thinking that the SNP were only supported by 24% of the Scottish voters at the last election. If so – the other THREE main parties must have a considerable following from the remaining 76% of us. Yes / No ?

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    • No you are not right: the SNP took an average of 45% of the vote on both the first past the post and the regional lists seats. So they are not yet in a position of having an absolute majority of the vote nationally but are not far off (and in Argyll Mr Russell attracted over 50% of the vote).

      Now, what I think you have done is calculate the SNP vote as a percentage of the total electorate (rather than those who voted). I think the turnout was only 50% so the SNP share of the total would indeed be somewhere between 22.5 and 25% but you then conveniently assume that all of the electorate who did not vote would have voted something other than SNP if they had voted. As opinion polls consistently give the SNP between 40 and 50% of the vote then we can assume that if all of the electorate voted then the result would be much the same.

      Best guess is that between 40 and 50% of the total electorate support the SNP and this number would be even higher if young people who are not yet old enough to vote (but old enough to have an opinion) were included

      More attention to the maths please!

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  9. Malcolm, you probably well know that if you trawl through the different elections you can portray any of the main parties as winners or losers. What’s relevant to people is now. I don’t think the people of Argyll & Bute are going to vote the way they did last time. They seem quite cheesed off with the current administration.

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  10. OK, now I’ve read the article (actually, I see it’s a leader… is there another article?) and while the tone is quite snide, it makes some fair points. However, the point of being independent is to be independent, not necessarily to be richer.

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  11. This must be one of the Economists quickest selling issues in Scotland ever, I’ve tried to get a copy in six newsagents so far with no luck. Plenty out there buying as it has sold out fast.

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    • Malcolm: I presume this post is in response to mine? I am amused as to the assertion that anything I wrote is the “usual manipulation of the truth from the SNP”. The election statistics come from the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/election2011/overview/html/scotland.stm)

      and my comment about there being higher support for the SNP amongst young people is well testified and indeed a long established feature (http://burdzeyeview.wordpress.com/2012/01/)

      If you do not agree with these figures would you please provide some of your own and with supporting evidence for them.

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      • To try and manipulate young people and teenagers is despicable before they have had a chance to experience life and make reasonable judgments for themselves. The religious extremists have always done it and of course the Germans were pretty good at it as well pre 1940. What is so weak about your case that you can’t concentrate of converting an older generation who have experienced repaying mortgages,raising families, etc etc – after all WE ARE THE OTHER 76%.

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        • Malcolm: you do make me laugh!

          Where is your figure of 76% coming from? (if not by the route outlined above).

          Glad to see you are engaging fully with the cry for us to have a grown up, balanced and positive debate about the pros and cons of independence!

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        • To try and manipulate young people and teenagers is despicable before they have had a chance to experience life and make reasonable judgments for themselves.

          In what way is allowing people who are old enough to marry, work, pay tax etc to vote ‘exploitation’? What a dreadfully patronising attitude. Many of today’s 16 year olds understand politics a lot better than you appear to.

          Having to select their main subjects in school at the inifinitely more tender age of 14 is a lot more stressful for them than voting would be; and as for exploitation – well, they are a generation that have been subjected to a barrage of exploitative advertising since their parents first sat them in front of a screen to keep them amused. They probably realise when they are being exploited more readily than you or I.

          Patronising comments such as yours will politicise the current 16-18 year olds and ensure they are on the voters’ roll and primed for a ‘yes’ vote on referendum day.

          Independence is going to be delivered partly thanks to the endless stream of daft comments emanating from the Unionist camp – so keep ‘em coming Malcolm! :)

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        • My father is nearer to 90 years of age than 80 but is a patriot for Scotland and fought against Facism. Fighting for a good cause is not the domain of “Unionist’s” or of 1 nation.
          However he was “converted” to Independence when he was in London over 40 years ago when speaking to some Scottish Labour and Tory politician’s & was horrified when he was informed they would vote against anything the SNP raised.(nothing changes). In my father’s case he had a simple view that Scotland should be placed first before politics. To try and compare religeous extremists to the normal democratic process of debate and discussion is such a poor argument. Maybe before meeting your maker you shall “..see the light..” certainly my father is still hoping to see a Independent Scotland before his 91st birthday.

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  12. Dear,dear Malcolm,

    You really will have to do better than this.

    Dredging up articles in support from the ailing Hootsman and failed Tory ex-MSPs has the true ring of desperation about it.

    Having paid off my mortgage, raised my family and collected my pension I am away now to capture the minds of the susceptible youth of Oban and Lorn. Standing as we do at 24% support I surely have a lot of work to do

    You really should not have mentioned the war but I think you may have got away with it!

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