So how much would fixing the A83 and …

Comment posted Mid Argyll Chamber of Commerce raises A83 issues with Transport Scotland after Cabinet Secretary’s letter to Michael Russell by ferryman.

So how much would fixing the A83 and putting vehicles ferries on the Dunoon Gourock route cost in comparison with say the new Forth Road Bridge?

Why is there such an inequality in spending on transport infrastructure. The A83 and Dunoon Ferry problems have both been around for years.

Recent comments by ferryman

  • Reminder: Argyll Ferries on ‘refit’ service schedule
    The scottish Government has failed to deliver on the transferable ferry tickets it was going to setup. The bus scheme is a bodge that adds anything upto two hours to travel time.

    Any news on what they are going to do for Cowal Games or are they just going to try another gamble on the weather.

  • New Campbeltown ferry pilot – a whale beached before it starts
    They did not refuse to give car/ferry passenger service to Dunoon – they took it away!

    They went back on a maniefesto committment to provide new vehicle ferries and then to cap it all they made an incompetent botch by putting in a totally and uttery unreliable passenger only service.

  • Inexplicable blame game from MSP on lack of cross-ticketing on Dunoon ferries
    “no carrier could justify running a heavier and thirstier craft than necessary”

    The “than necessary” is the critical point. If you are specifying a commuter service to get people to and from work, hospital college etc. then it is necessary and perfectly possible to specify vessels able to operate reliably on the Clyde.

    What you do not do is accept vessels which regularly and repeatedly fail to run for days at a time.

    Newsroom wrote “physical facts are the physical facts”, they are indeed and the current bathtubs are far too small for reliable operation. In any case the Ali Cat was operating unreliably on the route already so her current performance is no surprise.

  • Inexplicable blame game from MSP on lack of cross-ticketing on Dunoon ferries
    I take exception to your statement that “The Argyll Ferries’ passenger boats, being necessarily lighter craft, are more prone to delay and cancellation in a bit of a blow”.

    Transport Scotland should have specified vessels able to provide a reliable service. They did not hence the problem.

    Also the gentleman referred to in the article in the Observer concluded by saying he did not want a lot of energy devoted to cross ticketing etc he wanted it devoted to the getting his town centre ferry service taking him to the trains to work.

    That of course makes sense because even if he could transfer totally reliably to and from Western at no cost at all he would still be late for work.

  • Western Ferries: new sailings, inflation rises in fares – and protection for concessions
    “the consensus seemed to be that they would be too expensive to be used as passenger only ferries”

    Exactly. Here you have ferries known to be reliable in the sea conditions on the route, able to operate at a fantastic profit when carrying vehicles but not economic carrying only passengers.

    AF are suspended again today, they were off all day yesterday, because they use bathtubs not remotely suited for the purpose to which they are being put.

    The sensible thing is to use larger ferries on the town centre route and let them carry vehicles. As CalMac demonstrated, before the Government of the day stopped them, putting on more sailings increased revenue and cut subsidy.

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3 Responses to So how much would fixing the A83 and …

  1. If Transport Scotland goes for the option of upgrading the old military road, then it could be very interesting watching large hgvs – say timber trucks with trailers, artic whisky tankers and supermarket supply trucks – negotiating the hairpin bend and steep gradient immediately below the summit.
    Or, in the real world, will the diverted hgvs be scraping past each other along that sick joke of a trunk road up Loch Lomondside, the A82, on the ‘long way round’?

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  2. So how much would fixing the A83 and putting vehicles ferries on the Dunoon Gourock route cost in comparison with say the new Forth Road Bridge?

    Why is there such an inequality in spending on transport infrastructure. The A83 and Dunoon Ferry problems have both been around for years.

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  3. This weekend, with the Rest & Be Thankful closed because of the landslde danger, can anyone say for sure that the old military road option would not also be ‘in the line of fire’ from landslides?

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