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  • http://news.channel4.com/election2015/04/05/update-931/

    Ahhhhhh look a wee innocent man telling lie upon lie upon lie.

    Maybe he has learned the art from For Argyll’s anti-Scots blog.

    Wonder who is telling Henderson what to do?

    “.. part in an attempted political smear ” Surely it was an ACTUAL political smear. Just like ForArgyll.

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    No Cheese Here May 29, 2015 2:31 pm Reply
  • “….It can only be described as fascist behaviour and is wholly out of kilter in a liberal and civilised democracy.”

    Heck Henderson have you not been told enough about GODWIN’s LAW.

    You do crawl along the gutter on a regular basis

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    No Cheese Here May 29, 2015 2:33 pm Reply
  • Witch hunt! Is that a new name for bringing a liar to book?
    He should resign now and save the country legal fees?

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    Machmaolain May 29, 2015 3:10 pm Reply
    • A witch hunt is described as an investigation carried out ostensibly to uncover subversive activities but actually used to harass and undermine those with differing views.
      QED.
      If you look at what is being planned by these mob-handed tweeters, they are wholly focused on hounding a man out of everything he can be hounded out of – and this is bringing the merciless harrying of the man’s family – who have done nothing.
      Alex Salmond’s lies were of far greater substance, far more dishonest, far more profoundly serious and would have been far more expensive for Scotland long into the future if over 55% of the voters in September 2014 had not recognised the dodgy indy prospectus for what it unquestionably was. You would probably have called it ‘mince’ – if it had been a pro-union document.
      The vindictiveness with which Carmichael is being harried has got nothing to to with any care for the truth. From comments here, is it clear that Mr Salmond’s direct lies can actually be believed to be fictions concocted by pro-unionists – even though he told one of the biggest of them to Andrew Neil on national television? You Tube carries a much visited permanent record of that event.
      The vindictiveness against Carmichael in today’s one party Scotland is driven by a genuinely worrying form of sectarian ethnic cleansing.
      He is the last Liberal Democrat in Scotland. That is not permissable. We must have none.
      David Mundell is the last Conservative in Scotland. We must have none of those either. And Il Magnifico himself has already set off in panting pursuit of Mundell, blunt instrument in hand.
      Something will be concocted to ramp up a mob against Ian Murray in Edinburgh South.
      These last remnants of pluralism standing against what is ever more noisily the jackboot tramp of the SNP brigades, are an endangered species.
      And if normal human beings buy into this culture, we will every one of us reap the whirlwind the SNP is sowing.

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      newsroom May 29, 2015 7:13 pm Reply
      • “Something will be concocted to ramp up a mob against Ian Murray in Edinburgh South”
        If Ian Murray behaves in a manner we would all hope and expect of elected MPs we the general public will concoct nothing.
        Had this lie and intentional smear been done by an SNP MSP or MP can you honestly say that you would have been as detracting, of course not, you’d have gone for the jugular. Your lack of even-handedness and side-stepping of the seriousness of Carmichael’s actions only magnify your blind hatred of the SNP.

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        JnrTick May 29, 2015 8:08 pm Reply
        • Did you read the piece we wrote the night the Carmichael lie was revealed?
          It was utterly excoriating.
          But what is going on now in the SNP’s vicious gangland-style hunting of Carmichael is primitive, sectarian and fully fascist.
          No civilised person could support it and no civilised society could tolerate it.

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          newsroom May 29, 2015 10:50 pm Reply
          • Are you actually claiming to be a part of a “civilised society,” mini-hack? I fear your contributions to it appear to be driving it in the opposite direction. With your deeply slanted, rabble-rousing propaganda, you are in fact a menace to any civilised society. You have a real brass neck to talk about “witch hunts”. Your drooling, right-wing drivel is the very often the apotheosis of “witch-huntery”.

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            Kassandra May 31, 2015 6:44 pm
      • “…sectarian ethnic cleansing..” “fascists” , “. the jackboot tramp”.. . earlier on.
        I just realised the venom from our Irish Freedom Fighter. Motherwell beat Rangers!!! Can I ask that Ms Henderson keeps her Irish unionism and republicans in Ireland. By the way did you wear a beret or an orange sash?— never mind your WW 2 references are tedious. Are you the editor of For Argyll?
        Take a deep breath — swig your glass of whatever and now think……
        Thanks
        The issue is the SoS of Scotland less than 6 weeks ago smeared the First Minister of Scotland, (deliberately and viciously) with the help of a Tory paper in London, fuelled by the other papers and supported by the BBC, lib dem and tory colleagues and the Labour party (who were too stupid to realise they were been done over in England by Cameron)
        So Carmichael — what did he do?
        He lied to his colleagues.
        He tried shovel blame onto others.
        He lied to his friends.
        He lied to his electorate.
        He lied to Scotland.
        He came clean only after he gained the electoral advantage he craved for—just.
        He cheated.
        He wishes a second chance. Fair enough. It is called a bye election.

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        No Cheese Here May 29, 2015 9:08 pm Reply
        • He’ll try to put the blame on a civil-servant too – just watch.

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          Kassandra May 31, 2015 6:41 pm Reply
          • Aye, true tae yer nom de plonk, “… one with gloomy political views and NOT LISTENED TO”, OED [the big one]

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            Thistle June 2, 2015 7:07 pm
      • What lie is this that Alex Salmond told, is that the one that he was vindicated on or do you people only believe in calling the innocent and letting the liars and fraudsters off

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        Sandra Parker May 31, 2015 7:22 pm Reply
        • There is no lie we have mentioned of which Alex Salmond has been exonerated – although on Andrew Neil’s This Week,he attempted to offer the excuse that there is more than one kind of legal advice’; and that he had been exonerated of lying by the adjudicator he appointed himself.
          Perhaps that is what you are referring to?
          If it is, you will find it hard to convince anyone outside the believerhood that this was a rigorous objective investigation within the normal understanding of lying.
          And which honest person could consciously support a regime peopled by hordes who believe that this sort of thing is not ‘lying’.
          When you start moving the boundaries of the accepted definition of what one can only call the moral code, you end up in a place where there are no such boundaries.
          And who would want to live there?
          On 1st May 1997, too many of us utterly and joyfully believed in Tony Blair – but six months later, after Bernie Ecclestone arranged with Blair the exemption of F1 from the ban on cigarette advertising in exchange for £1 million donation to the Labour party – it was necessary, in honesty and for personal sanity, to recognise who he really was. It hurt those who of us who looked this truth in the eye – and told it from then on.
          In life, the one vital connection is never to lose touch with yourself.
          Twisting truth to absolve a hero from responsibility for patently wrong behaviour may be understandable in its emotional roots, but it’s a long step on the dangerous road to losing yourself.
          Never the way to go, whatever the cost in the pain of seeing straight.

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          newsroom May 31, 2015 8:12 pm Reply
          • Rubbish.Distracting is a failed plot,of the failed,time-elapsed onion!!
            Your reporting now is even more ridiculous than tha Daily Heil and the Torygragh!!
            You must be proud,but?

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            Machmaolain May 31, 2015 8:20 pm
          • For Argyll “.. The hordes.. “?
            You seem to think insulting half of Scotland is fair game.

            Basic question that Kirk, Argyle and that ilk have refused to answer. Maybe you can oblige?

            …..do you believe the electorate in Orkney and Shetland have the right to a second chance?

            Do you agree Carmichael intentional set out to smear and then lie to the public?

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            No Cheese Here May 31, 2015 9:18 pm
    • You promised to go away, liar

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      Thistle June 2, 2015 6:56 pm Reply
  • Yes machmaolin just as salmon should have done but didn’t.

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    gerry May 29, 2015 3:24 pm Reply
    • Did Salmond lie about a foreign ambassador?
      Did Salmond cost the taxpayer 1.4 million?
      Did Salmond lie? Only according to ukokists ,but we don’t listen to them anymore,as they are”damaged goods”!

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      Machmaolain May 29, 2015 3:31 pm Reply
      • Macmaolain, in answer to your questions:

        1: No but Sturgeon maynwell have done.
        2. No, nobody cost the taxpayer £1.4 million, That was a lie.
        3. Yes.

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        Andrew Argyle May 30, 2015 8:14 am Reply
  • Machmaolain, the campaigners Tim Morrison and Fiona Macinnes claim that the voters of orkney and Shetland were misled, did the £40k come from those voters?
    Regardless of what Carmichael did the behaviour of SNP activists is more damaging, people may not have voted Tory, they may not like Cameron but what he said in Parliament after the Queens speech will make a lot of people sit up and ask the questions, just what have the SNP done for us, what have they achieved in 8 years, it’s time to get on and govern.
    This is getting very close to ‘mob rule’ and people like you will be the first to scream if this happens to a SNP MSP or MP, ‘whats good for the goose is good for the gander’

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    Rchard May 29, 2015 4:21 pm Reply
    • Who told the lie Richard then tried to cover up and cost the taxpayer £1.4million knowing the truth would eventually come out, he tried to smear the First Minister for political advantage which could be deemed illegal.
      Ref. Section 106 of the Representation of the People Act states that a person who “makes or publishes any false statement of fact in relation to the candidate’s personal character or conduct shall be guilty of an illegal practice, unless he can show he had reasonable grounds for believing, and did believe, that statement to be true”
      It is now up to the High Court to decide if he acted illegally.

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      jockstrap May 29, 2015 4:52 pm Reply
      • The claim that Carmichael “cost the tazpayer £1.4 million is a lie – “FACT”.

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        Andrew Argyle May 30, 2015 8:17 am Reply
      • Sturgeon was not a candidate therefor section 106 does not apply

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        Gerry May 30, 2015 11:33 pm Reply
    • The uKOKISTS have been smearing and lying about the SNP and its elected politicians,for as long as I can remember! Now CARMICHAEL (is he still there?) will know how we feel,most days!!

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      Machmaolain May 29, 2015 5:00 pm Reply
  • I feel so guilty now, having contributed to “the people versus Carmichael”, and finding out that I am part of a vicious organised witch-hunt. Aye! Sure I am.

    This slimy character, having been placed by the Tories in the position of Secretary of State for Scotland, did all that he could to overturn the voting intentions of thousands of Scots, and other UK electors, by releasing a falsified account of a conversation between our elected First Minister and the French Ambassador, and stood them and the French Consul in Edinburgh up as liars for his own and his London Master’s benefit.

    Those who stand up for truth and democracy get labelled as fascists on this site while the real fascists seem to have this site’s full backing in distorting public opinion by lying and smearing their political opponents.

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    Murdoch MacKenzie May 29, 2015 5:42 pm Reply
  • The plural of ‘political activist’ is far too often ‘feral dog pack’. Sometimes you can add ‘rabid’.

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    Robert Wakeham May 29, 2015 6:08 pm Reply
  • R u frothing at the mouth Robert! Blame Ms Henderson. How does rabies transfer? Have you been smitten by her?………..allegedly.

    Lol

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    No Cheese Here May 29, 2015 7:34 pm Reply
    • I’m not one of your party political single-issue zombies, NCH.

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      Robert Wakeham May 29, 2015 7:49 pm Reply
      • Prove it, Bob. You certainly come across as one. You, Malkie and Dick are just sock-puppets for Andrew Argyll anyway.

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        Kassandra May 31, 2015 6:37 pm Reply
        • Ooh, Kassandra, so cross! Something’s got you really rattled, it would seem?

          I know nothing about Richard, however, Robert and Malcolm, unlike you and me, have the courage to put their own names to their posts, as opposed to hiding behind pseudonyms.

          Your comment about “sock puppets” is, therefore, out of order.

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          Andrew Argyle May 31, 2015 8:35 pm Reply
          • Cross? – where do you get that from. Can you prove that Bob and Malkie are real people? Have you met them in person? And why would anyone believe you even if you say you did?

            This whole farrago of nonsense about “names” or “pseudo-names” is a pile of manure, used to smear opponents. Time old Bob and the rest gave it up.

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            Kassandra June 2, 2015 10:02 pm
  • “Local activists have been let loose on the job”
    Activists, SNP voters and concerned & disappointed public are free to voice concern, there is no leash to be let free from.
    If we do not make an attempt to hold our democratically elected representatives to account especially the unionist versions, who will, our MSM? Of course they won’t, they’d rather turn a blind eye to lies if it meant risking even more SNP influence.
    Carmichael is a disgrace, his idiotic decision has caught up with him and he has nobody to blame but himself.

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    JnrTick May 29, 2015 7:35 pm Reply
  • NCH, Salmond lied to the electorate in Scotland, many people voted yes based on the statements made by him, read attached link.
    http://www.bruceonpolitics.com/2014/12/11/alex-salmond-lies-scottish-finances/
    Add to this the blatant lie about the EU legal advice, the claim that the treasury were in discussion with Mr Swinney over a shared currency, the mythical oil fields and many more issues why shouldn’t people raise the money to prosecute him and the others involved.
    What is the difference.

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    richard May 29, 2015 9:41 pm Reply
    • I voted yes because i have self respect.You,my friend,……….?

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      Machmaolain May 31, 2015 8:23 pm Reply
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    richard May 29, 2015 9:52 pm Reply
  • don’t need low life trolls from the tory side of life to try and divert from the lying of Carmichael.

    lib dem tories are just appear the same in my book.

    There is nothing wrong with another election. He wants a second chance. He will get one. If the good folk of Shetland and Orkney vote for him again so be it.

    In some respects his staying only reinforces the smear and lies.

    Now would that suit the tories across Scotland? I thought you guys were pals!!

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    No Cheese Here May 30, 2015 12:13 am Reply
  • NCH,You epitomise everything I dislike about politics in Scotland, full of yourself as a member of the baying mob at the kill, if they bring back the manhunts and you and your ilk will be happy.

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    richard May 30, 2015 12:38 am Reply
    • Don’t worry I don’t take you seriously. As for hunts well your types know about that.
      You likewise epitomise the sneering, snarling right wing tattooed unionist of the “No Surrender” type who believes that the Scots have no right to vote for a party of progressive politics and anti austerity. They should vote as they are told. If you are under 18 or a foreigner you have no vote it would appear. Cowards.
      As I have stated give the electorate another chance to vote for or against Carmichael.
      Only the right wing unionists would wish to deny the electorate another chance to vote. The smear tactics of For Argyll and your type over the past few years are losing and you know it.
      I am happy for the electorate to be given another chance. It says it all that your type does not.
      As for other politicians in Scotland the electorate knew what they are voting for.
      Carmichael deceived and smeared during our election. Possibly Mundell and others too.
      Don’t worry for them, I was listening to a defeated ex Lib Dem MSP yesterday who got made a Lord pontificating on the issue. I am sure that in due course we will find a few extra Knights, Dames, Lords and Ladyships next time HM QE1 hands out the bobbles.
      Arise Sir Richard and Dame Lynda your time has come!!

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      No Cheese Here May 30, 2015 10:09 am Reply
    • In the same vein, Dick, you are a prime example of an arrogant, intellectually-challenged, dishonest, bullying, loud-mouthed unionist and tory troll.

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      Kassandra May 31, 2015 6:36 pm Reply
      • Kassandra, dear, have you forgotten to take your pills, again?

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        Robert Wakeham June 1, 2015 12:02 am Reply
        • Boo hoo, Bob, still lamenting your loss? Don’t worry, it’ll happen again.

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          Kassandra June 2, 2015 10:03 pm Reply
  • Andrew, Swinney lied to a house of Lords Committee and the electorate of Scotland.
    https://m.facebook.com/VoteNo2014/posts/180890085368756

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    richard May 30, 2015 8:43 am Reply
    • you are the one,right now,telling porkies,Dick!

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      Machmaolain May 31, 2015 8:24 pm Reply
  • The lib dems walk away ( in shame!?)

    Who would be daft enough to work with them in Argyll for instance! Oops Walsh

    Anyway How’s Aberdeen Council doing?

    It seems Kirk that the unionist types are flailing around looking for some beads of light in a bad election year.

    Enough diversion.

    Now Malcolm do you believe the electorate in Orkney and Shetland have the right to a second chance?

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    No Cheese Here May 30, 2015 11:04 am Reply
    • The SNP have lost control of Highland Council – The SNP have lost control of Highland Council – The SNP have lost control of Highland Council – is it getting through to you Smelly. I strongly believe that the electorate in Orkney and Shetland would prefer anybody other than that lying creep Mike McKenzie ! And Yes – I have a video which covers him making one of his many mistruths and in fact in front of a Parliamentary Committee and the World’s Press – can’t get much more serious than that.

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      Malcolm Kirk May 30, 2015 11:24 am Reply
      • “I too am a developer MrTrump”

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        Sokay May 30, 2015 12:47 pm Reply
        • Yes Sokay – absolutely cringe making. The arrogance of the man knows no bounds. But the lie on that occasion was that when talking down to Mr Trump and after another cringe making preamble he asked Mr Trump if he knew that Orkney was supplied by 100% renewable energy. That was the blatant lie. I contacted the editor of the Orcadian who said he had watched the McKenzie performance and was astounded at what he had said. By the way NCH – McKenzie never apologised for his lies. In fact he lied again in his written statement to me when I pointed out the error of his ways.

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          Malcolm Kirk May 30, 2015 1:37 pm Reply
          • This was a pleasure to remember, Malcolm!
            Have you also saved a copy of the video where Mr. MegaEgo MacKenzie MSP was so abominably rude to all those top bananas in the CBI? That one where he’s strutting threateningly around the table, looking as though he was going to grab some of them by the lapels and nut them?
            What MacKenzie hasn’t learned is that, if you’re going to lie to people, or threaten people, it’s best if you don’t leave a trail that leads straight back to you.
            But they all do.
            Edit: And … he doesn’t seem to have realised that all the companies he set up leave a trail of exactly what he was doing straight back to him on the Companies House website. If you’re interested, go on to the Companies House website and look up Mike MacKenzie Builders Ltd and see what he did as soon as he became a List MSP.
            🙂

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            ClootieDumpling May 30, 2015 9:11 pm
          • ClootieDumpling – I suspect this is what you were referring to – McKenzie being the ill mannered arrogant peasant that he is:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O9MndkgEKA
            And there’s more ;_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUaej4mEBlc

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            Malcolm Kirk May 31, 2015 7:24 am
          • I got dizzy watching the man – does he have Saint Vitus Dance?

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            Jamie Black May 31, 2015 7:56 am
          • I doubt if even MacKenzie is low enough to talk down to Trump.

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            Kassandra May 31, 2015 6:32 pm
          • Kassandra, if you “doubt if even MacKenzie is low enough to talk down to Trump” then you obviously haven’t watched the video of low-life Mike MacKenzie doing exactly that.
            You might also consider looking into all things MacKenzie, and take a glance at his MSP’s expenses, where he claims £1.10 for a coffee and a biscuit, and £7.50 every time he drives into Oban to the constituency office – and no doubt picks up messages from Tesco for his wife at the same time.
            You, me, and everyone else in Scotland are buying him his coffee and bickie, buying his newspapers, paying the bill for his Blackberry account, etc., etc.
            Pfffff!!!

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            ClootieDumpling May 31, 2015 9:29 pm
      • Malcolm Kirk you are absolutely correct ” that the electorate in Orkney and Shetland would prefer anybody other than that lying creep Mike MacKenzie” to represent then.
        The SNP deserve better and the Orcadians and Shetlanders certainly deserve better, let us hope that the SNP choose a candidate that is fit to represent these people and address their needs and concerns in a proper and professional manner.

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        jimbean May 30, 2015 10:19 pm Reply
        • I agree, if they propose Mike MacKenzie as a candidate to represent the Orcadians and Shetlanders then the SNP should be renamed the Scottish Numpty Party.

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          Maurice Brodie May 30, 2015 11:24 pm Reply
          • 🙂

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            ClootieDumpling May 30, 2015 11:45 pm
  • NCH, You don’t get it do you, the court is not looking at Carmichael, they are looking at the alleged damaged party, (Ms Sturgeon) and she’s not a MP. What damage has it done her?
    Lastly Carmichael didn’t write or dictate the memorandum, a civil servant did and according to the enquiry they have no political leaning, ultimately it’s the behaviour of your fellow activists that people will remember, there are a lot of people waiting for the SNP to start governing, another damning report on education, MacAskill letting the cat out of the bag, http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/politics/scottish-politics/masaskill-admits-snps-shameful-position-on-prisoner-voting-rights-motivat.127330287
    Health care, http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/health/south-glasgow-hospital-ae-described-5757520
    Have a bad weekend NCH.

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    richard May 30, 2015 11:41 am Reply
    • Have a bad weekend? Not me.
      Oh dear, Richard has gone all huffy.

      Bit like lib dems really.

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      No Cheese Here May 30, 2015 12:57 pm Reply
      • The whole matter is a bit above Dick’s pay grade. He is probably ok at things like “Am I a complete @rsehole, or do I have a bit of work still to do”? – but questions about honesty are all Greek to him.

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        Kassandra May 31, 2015 6:30 pm Reply
  • Richard stop flogging dead horses and shifting the blame.
    Carmichael stated in his letter of apology to the First Minister,
    quote
    “I accept that its publication was a serious breach of protocol and the details of that account are not correct”

    Get it now Richard, he lied about not having knowledge of the report and then to compound matters tried to cover up his lie.

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    jockstrap May 30, 2015 12:09 pm Reply
  • Jockstrap, what is the court action alleging and what will the court be deciding?

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    richard May 30, 2015 12:52 pm Reply
  • Simply put for you to understand Richard.
    The petitioners are making a legal challenge under the Representation of the People Act 1983 which states “that electors or disappointed candidates can question the result of a Parliamentary Election if a candidate or their agents engage in “corrupt or illegal practises”.
    Whether “Itwisnaeme” Carmichael’s actions are covered by “corrupt or illegal practises” is for the court to decide.
    Understand now Richard?

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    jockstrap May 30, 2015 4:06 pm Reply
  • The Tories must be laughing their heads off looking at the Scots fighting it out about whether their ex-bag carrier should face the electorate again in his constituency for doing what they wanted him to do, get Cameron elected again.
    I read this article and the supporting posts and see people so blinded with hatred for the SNP that they fail to see the big picture that exists right in front of their noses.

    The facts are quite simple.

    1. On 2nd April Nicola easily won the first TV debate and was mobbed in the streets as a heroine, even by English voters who could not support her politics. She was obviously a political game changer in the making.

    2. On the 4th April The Telegraph published the memo that Slimy Liarmichael had released, knowing that it was false. This memo claimed that Nicola thought that Milliband was not PM material and that she would prefer Cameron to win.

    To me it simply means that whoever was controlling Carmichael wanted to use him to get their false endorsement of Cameron out there to Nicola’s new followers. Milliband was obviously told that he was not being elected this time.

    This memo involves a lot more than Carmichael and the people of Orkney and Shetland. It involves all the voters in the UK. How many people believed the repeated telling of the lie and voted Tory. How bad does it have to get before people will demand that there is a proper open investigation into this whole affair. The UK is a political cesspit.

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    Murdoch MacKenzie May 30, 2015 4:18 pm Reply
  • Murdoch, rUK must be laughing, they are getting on with things and are in a hurry to stay ahead with a strong economy, Scotland is full of talk and no Do.
    as for your conspiracy theory good luck.

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    Rchard May 30, 2015 4:28 pm Reply
    • No Richard, all those who voted Labour in England are not laughing. They were hoping that things would be different this time but they have been hung out to dry again, while this corruption just steamrollers along.
      Anyone connected to this memo needs to see at least five years behind bars.

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      Murdoch MacKenzie May 30, 2015 5:31 pm Reply
    • Why then Richard was inward investment in Scotland the third best year and that is 2014, the year of the indyref, when you were contemplating and stating you were shifting your portfolio?
      Keep wondering if Dave has had second thoughts regarding tax avoidance since it was not mentioned in the Queen’s Speech, thoughts of dad’s schemes perchance?

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      jockstrap May 30, 2015 7:34 pm Reply
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    richard May 30, 2015 8:30 pm Reply
  • Jockstrap, I like many others will be interested in SRIT, the time for talking is over, get on and govern.

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    richard May 30, 2015 8:49 pm Reply
  • Nearly £50,000 raised for People v Carmichael!
    Indiegogo folks,every pound is justice!

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    Machmaolain May 31, 2015 9:33 am Reply
    • Court papers lodged yesterday, One week to serve and another week for Carmichael to respond or object, then on to the trial.
      I wonder if the Civil Servant who wrote the memo will be called as a witness? Many people think the last paragraph is written by a different hand from the rest, I’ve looked at it myself but I’m not skilled enough in the English language to make a judgement.

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      Murdoch MacKenzie May 31, 2015 10:44 am Reply
      • On the civil servant who recorded Nicola Sturgeon telling the French Ambassador she would prefer David Cameron as PM, the official inquiry concluded about the civil servant,

        “Senior officials who have worked with him say that he is reliable and has no history of inaccurate reporting, impropriety or security lapses. The Cabinet Secretary has concluded that there is no reason to doubt that he recorded accurately what he thought he had heard. There is no evidence of any political motivation or ‘dirty tricks’.”
        https://www.gov.uk/government/news/scotland-office-memorandum-leak-cabinet-office-inquiry-statement

        I agree Murdoch, having the opportunity to explore the accuracy of his recording in an open court would be an excellent idea.

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        John M May 31, 2015 12:06 pm Reply
        • I’m not sure that exploring the accuracy of his recording will be allowed in the court. It is an account of an account, hearsay.
          He would probably be asked to confirm that the published memo is exactly what he wrote and why his version differs so much from the memory of those who were present.
          I don’t know if the French Consul can be called but I’m sure the French Ambassador can refuse to attend.

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          Murdoch MacKenzie May 31, 2015 2:08 pm Reply
          • Don’t quite follow, the court won’t be allowed to exam the accuracy of his recordings but the court will ask him if he confirms his notes are a true and accurate recording of the conversation and to also ask him to explain why they differ from others who recall the conversation?

            He won’t be giving evidence for very long, “Yes” to the first, followed by “I am not in a position to speak for others.”

            Why do you think the French Ambassador would refuse to attend a Scottish court? And of course the First Minister would also need to appear in court, do you think she would refuse also?

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            John M May 31, 2015 2:42 pm
          • What I mean is that the court will not accept as evidence what he has recorded as he did not record it directly, it is a second hand account. He can be asked though to confirm that he is the only author of the published account that Carmichael has now admitted was incorrect.
            Diplomats have a lot of immunity attached to their positions and the French Government may not wish her to become embroiled in Legal proceedings in the host country that could have political implications. I am not so sure if such immunity applies to a Consul.
            I don’t see any reason why the First Minister could not attend if called.

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            Murdoch MacKenzie May 31, 2015 3:27 pm
          • He can only be asked if he believes the transcript of the conversation he had with the Consul General is an accurate reflection of that discussion.

            You may be aware of more information than I am, but I haven’t heard of anyone doubting the civil servant accurately recorded his conversation with the Consul General. If you have had sight of the document, you will be happy to post a link.

            The question I am sure we would all like answered is why did the Consul General inform the civil servant Nicola Sturgeon wanted David Cameron to remain as PM?

            Nicola Sturgeon, the French Ambassador and the Consul General all deny the comment was made, and indeed the inquiry suggested “part of the conversation between the French Ambassador and the First Minister might well have been “lost in translation”.

            English to French to English, easily done I suppose. Have you heard the Consul General explanation,

            http://news.sky.com/video/1458622/french-official-no-sturgeon-leak

            Isn’t his English good? And did he say all the meetings were carried out in English?

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            John M May 31, 2015 5:14 pm
          • Have you not seen a copy of the leaked memo? The “lost in translation” suggestion was in the last paragraph of the memo and not a suggestion from the enquiry.
            I think that the question we want to hear answered is why, when Carmichael has admitted in his apology that the memo was inaccurate, the last paragraph ended up so full of lies.
            Did the Civil Servant and the Consul General get their communication so confused, did the Civil Servant deliberately write the lies himself or did someone else add the last paragraph to smear the First Minister and, more importantly, weaken Miliband’s position in the English Media. Remember that the leak was through the English Press.
            Like I said earlier, I have seen suggestions that the last paragraph was written by a different person from whoever wrote the rest of the memo. There are experts who can make informed judgements on such a possibility, but whether things will get taken that far in this case is still to be seen.

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            Murdoch MacKenzie May 31, 2015 6:30 pm
  • No doubt came from your multi millionaire backers. Where would the SNP be without them ?

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    Malcolm Kirk May 31, 2015 10:23 am Reply
    • Not at all. There were 3134 contributors when it was £46,720 so an average of just less than £15 each.

      There is nothing wrong with being a millionaire, I am sure that many of them have contributed to this fund.

      The millionaires that you need to worry about are those who buy into political parties and elected MP’s and Ministers. None of them will have added to this fund.

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      Murdoch MacKenzie May 31, 2015 10:57 am Reply
      • re-posted above

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        John M May 31, 2015 11:44 am Reply
  • Murdoch, why would any of these people be called, what your saying isn’t the case to be considered. Here’s an interesting take on the issue,

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/life/status-anxiety/9541262/nicola-sturgeon-protests-too-much-about-alistair-carmichael/

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    richard May 31, 2015 4:25 pm Reply
    • Dicky,getting it all wrong as usual!
      Nothing to see here,move along!!

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      Machmaolain May 31, 2015 6:37 pm Reply
    • Once a Dick, always a dick.

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      Kassandra May 31, 2015 6:51 pm Reply
      • Thank you so much for that incisive comment.

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        ClootieDumpling May 31, 2015 9:43 pm Reply
    • Dear Me! Have you, or this guy Toby Young that you are using as a reference, even read Carmichael’s apology to the First Minister, where he admits that the memo is a lie.
      I know you hate Wings as much as you hate the SNP, but there is a very interesting sound clip on here, even his so called best friends are telling him to go,

      http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-awful-truth/#more-71685

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      Murdoch MacKenzie May 31, 2015 6:52 pm Reply
  • NCH,In your opinion who did Carmichael set out to smear?

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    richard May 31, 2015 9:24 pm Reply
  • Another question!

    I will let you work it out for yourself. There are enough clues in the posts above and his own statements. He is ultimate goal was to get reelected.

    At least you agree he did smear.

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    No Cheese Here May 31, 2015 9:30 pm Reply
  • ClootieDumpling, Kassandra isn’t paying anything!

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    richard May 31, 2015 9:32 pm Reply
    • Why not? Because “she” doesn’t exist??
      🙂

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      ClootieDumpling May 31, 2015 9:50 pm Reply
  • NCH, I haven’t agreed anything, I asked You a direct question, I assume you have your Own opinion.
    Who in your opinion did Carmichael set out to smear?

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    richard May 31, 2015 9:35 pm Reply
    • Richard

      Ask him

      House of Commons
      Westminster
      London
      SW1A 0AA
      United Kingdom

      E-mail: carmichaela@parliament.uk
      Telephone: 0207 219 8181
      http://www.alistaircarmichael.co.uk

      Information: Orkney Constituency Office
      Diary Secretary/Orkney Office Manager: Barbara Flett

      Address: 14 Palace Road, Kirkwall, Orkney, KW15 1PA
      Tel: 01856 876 541
      Fax: 01856 876 162

      Shetland Constituency Office
      PA/Caseworker: Beatrice Wishart

      Address: 171 Commercial Street, Lerwick, Shetland, ZE1 0HX
      Tel: 01595 690 044
      Fax: 01595 690 055

      Don’t expect an honest reply

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      No Cheese Here June 1, 2015 8:48 am Reply
      • The question was “Who in your opinion did Carmichael set out to smear?” I don’t think Mr Carmichael will know your opinion. In the name of fair play and balance why not use your copying skills and put some questions to Mr Mike MacKenzie re his CV (especially University), police involvements, court cases, holding telephone co. to ransom for personal gain, falsifying planning application details, the list goes on and on. Read the above and check historic claims.

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        Sokay June 1, 2015 10:46 am Reply
        • It’s a pity that he’s at Holyrood, rather than Westminster, because Private Eye has just kicked off with a series of political sketches on the new SNP faces at Westminster, and if the first is anything to go by they’ll make interesting reading.

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          Robert Wakeham June 1, 2015 12:09 pm Reply
  • Andrew Argyle, thank you, I do not need anyone to support me, unlike others on here I use one name only, I post my opinions based on my belief in democracy in the UK, and that everyone is entitled to express their own beliefs without fear of attack in either a physical or abusive manner.
    Anyone who posts on here or any other similar site must accept that others will have strong opposing views, unfortunately some SNP supporters are either unable to present a counter argument or are unwilling to do so, to try and swamp the site with inane insulting remarks will hopefully achieve the one thing they fear, people to see them for what they really are.
    In my humble opinion Scotland needs a coalition government where strong opposition can force Holyrood to govern and take the credit for success and pay the penalty for failing.

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    richard May 31, 2015 10:00 pm Reply
    • Don’t come the old acid, Dick. Top marks for self-righteousness – but no marks for honesty. You have been just as guilty as anyone else of the old abusive-remarks-without-factual-content syndrome – you slimy hypocrite.

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      Kassandra June 2, 2015 10:12 pm Reply
      • Acid? hypocrite? pot/kettle in spades.

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        Robert Wakeham June 2, 2015 10:53 pm Reply
  • NCH, The Skallie has left you a question, you better answer or it’ll be the Lochgelly for you.

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    Murdoch MacKenzie May 31, 2015 10:05 pm Reply
  • NCH,all MP’s want to get reelected unless they are standing down, I don’t believe agreeing to the release of this document was driven by the argument you put forward, I suspect that in the ‘heat of the moment’ he made a very bad decision and agreed to its release.

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    richard May 31, 2015 10:14 pm Reply
  • Murdoch, I’m glad you mention Lochgelly, in the eight years the SNP have been in power what have they done for the people, what have they done for the town?
    It just goes to prove, 40 minutes down the road from the capital and your ‘out of site and out of mind’ not something to be proud of.

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    richard May 31, 2015 10:25 pm Reply
    • Aye! It’s never been the same since they banned the tawse. Mind you, Labour destroying their coal industry didn’t help either.

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      Murdoch MacKenzie May 31, 2015 10:42 pm Reply
  • Murdoch, the coal industry would have died regardless of which political party was in power, the disgrace is that nothing has been done by the Scottish Government, when I said 40 minutes from Holyrood and out of sight I meant it, disgrace is an understatement.

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    richard May 31, 2015 11:11 pm Reply
    • God,you do go on,don’t you? The Scottish Government is akin to a Vehicle without an Engine or wheels.
      Once we get our Self determination,which won’t be long now,you will see big changes,and good ones at that!!

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      Machmaolain June 1, 2015 8:11 pm Reply
      • Give us a clue?

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        Robert Wakeham June 1, 2015 9:10 pm Reply
  • NCH, your wasting your time, Mr Carmichael has committed himself in writing, you are incapable of answering a simple question.

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    richard June 1, 2015 8:53 am Reply
    • Answer is all there and you know it. Your regular tactic is to ask questions. Are you just lazy or just stupid?

      Carmichael set out to smear Sturgeon, the snp candidates including his fellow Northern Isles candidates in order to gain a political advantage. He lied to the electorate and colleagues to cover his smear. He may have committed a criminal offence.
      Now you have his email address. Run off and work it out for yourself. If you do contact him with some questions!! please say hello from me and thank him for bringing the lib dems into more disrepute which will be reflected in the 2016 elections. Not sure if Lairdy Tavish Scott, Willie Rennie are talking to him.

      lol

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      No Cheese Here June 1, 2015 10:11 am Reply
      • NCH says…”… Your regular tactic is to ask questions. Are you just lazy or just stupid?”

        Ironic!!!

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        John Smith June 1, 2015 10:43 am Reply
        • John Smith’s bitter?

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          Crackle June 1, 2015 10:59 am Reply
          • Wow, you’re funny. I’ve never heard that one before.

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            John Smith June 1, 2015 1:24 pm
  • The First Minister was not a candidate in the election, and therefore the ‘smear’ itself – the creation of the false memo plus leaking thereof – is unlikely to be of any great concern to the court.

    As I understand it, the case will turn on whether the court finds that Alistair Carmichael’s admitted lie – that he knew nothing of the memo until contacted by journalists – amounts to ‘corrupt and illegal’ practice under the Representation of the People Act.

    In other words, did Mr Carmichael try to cover up his own involvement in the smear in order to present himself to his constituents as an honourable and decent candidate for re-election, and thereby affect the outcome in Orkney & Shetland.

    I suspect that anyone hoping for a detailed investigation into the writing of the memo itself may be disappointed…

    http://lallandspeatworrier.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/is-carmichael-vulnerable-to-election.html

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    Tim McIntyre June 1, 2015 10:04 am Reply
    • Not sure why Tim is getting thumbs down for this. It is refreshing to see that somebody is actually looking at the reality of the situation rather than being blinkered by political teeth gnashing. Unfortunately, for too many people, politics has nothing to do with being rational and far too much to do with blind allegiance. This crowd funding thing proves it. So much of the money coming in from people with nothing to do with Orkney and simply motivated by ‘it is a non SNP person’

      I certainly won’t be putting a penny toward it nor would I if it was an SNP, Labour, Tory or .other’ candidate. If people want to be politically and socially engaged with their money I dare say there is a food bank or a worthwhile community project that would benefit a lot more than the lawyers who will pocket this cash.

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      Integrity? June 1, 2015 11:45 am Reply
    • Integrity – I believe some have suggested to Mr Carmichael that he should step down voluntarily, precisely so that the money raised so far can go to food banks instead of lawyers 🙂

      Anyway, taking up your point about political ‘blinkers’ – maybe so, but I hastily add that I’m not defending him against the legitimate anger of his constituents, who are really the only folk that have an interest in his future now that he is a lowly back bench opposition MP in one of the smaller parties, and not a minister of state.

      Those constituents – including no doubt a good number who voted for him having believed his claim that he knew nothing about a grubby smear campaign – have every right to feel pretty unhappy at what has transpired, and especially that it was kept carefully concealed until after they cast their votes. That is not a party political point in itself, and it is unfair and simplistic to characterise the legal campaign to force a by-election as such.

      Given the high cost (and no legal aid) of raising an action, and the even more eye-watering potential for the awarding of costs in the event of failure, crowd funding seems to me a fair & transparent way to raise the money needed. Doubtless the campaigners are benefitting quite a bit from politically-motivated donations, especially given that Carmichael was one of the more, er, bruising personalities in the ‘No Thanks’ campaign. However, at the end of the day it is the court that will decide, even if the politics helps raise the cash.

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      Tim McIntyre June 1, 2015 6:09 pm Reply
      • Hi Tim

        I would wholeheartedly support him voluntarily standing down. It is the right thing to do and he would maintain a small degree of credibility and maybe some self respect if he were to do so.

        Equally I fully understand why his constituents might be unhappy with him. If they are unhappy in sufficient volume then I think they would make enough noise to force him to stand down. If the crowd funding was predominantly supported by people within his constituency then I could even respect that as being a movement by a body of people (of sufficient volume) who do not wish to be represented by him due to his actions (rather than his party affiliation).

        Now I accept that neither you, nor I, or anyone, can say for sure how much of the funds has come from people within his constituency and how much has come from further afield. If I had to stab a wild guess I would wager no more than 20% has come from local people however I acknowledge that is nothing more than speculation. For it not to be a predominantly politically motivated fund It would need to be mainly funded locally AND by people who are consistent in their indignation at being deceived by leading politicians. I don’t believe that to be the case for the vast majority of people who have chipped in.

        The awarding of costs is an interesting point. I assume the money raised is to pay for the cas to be heard, if there are costs awarded then who is going to foot that bill?

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        Integrity? June 1, 2015 9:07 pm Reply
        • Struggling to understand why you believe he should stand down.

          When the memo was first leaked it could be argued it was actually in the public interest. A leader of a nationalist party who was publically supporting a leader of one particular party, privately felt this person was in reality inadequate and would prefer the leader of the party she publically condemned to remain PM.

          In my humble opinion, information like this should rightly be leaked, irrelevant of who or which party was involved.

          No one can deny he left himself open when he went on to deny his involvement in the leak BUT hands up who hasn’t told a lie when they feel they’ve been caught out.

          I am not particularly fond of politicians but they are human. I have read several posts from yourself (all of which I agreed with) on how we should respect public servants as they are only human and we all make mistakes.

          Alistair Carmichael has apologised to the relevant aggrieved parties, he’s apologised to his constituents and apologised to the wider public. He has under gone an internal party investigation and has publically recognised he was wrong.

          If people feel all politicians should be whiter than white fair enough, but this position would need to be applied to every politician, irrelevant of their background, level in politics and/or current political persuasion.

          How many of the current posters who are so willing to condemn Carmichael’s lie, are also willing to condemn some of our own local politicians, with a similar veracity.

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          John M June 1, 2015 10:09 pm Reply
          • You make some fair points John M and I can certainly see the logic in your argument.

            Absolutely true that there is no shortage of porkies told by politicians, often in the full knowledge that they are ‘bending the truth’ but they can get away with it as it will be hard to definitively prove it was a lie.

            Whilst it would be nice to imagine a political environment where all were whiter than whiter and only ever told the truth we all know that is never going to be the case. I guess it boils down to the magnitude of the lie and how you ‘weight’ it. By that I mean what factors make one lie worse than another. Obviously the actual content of the lie is a big factor but so is the timing, the political context at that time and the calculated gain from it.

            I don’t think the leaking of the memo was that big a deal although it never struck me as a particularly believable conversation. Nicola Sturgeon isnt an idiot and even if she did feel that way I doubt she would be so foolish to say it. I think Carmichael should have done more to verify its credibility before leaking it. However once he did leak it, his denial of it scores highly in the weighting because of the impending election and his calculation of the impact it might have on the SNP vote and, probably more significant, the impact it might have on his own if people found it he had leaked it.

            It is for the same reason that I think Salmond should have resigned over the EU issue. It was a bigger lie than Carmichael’s and was designed to influence an independence referendum.

            But,going back to your overall point about double standards (which I fully agree there is and have commented along those lines) it is notable that the official response by the SNP to this, whilst asking for action originally has been fairly low key since. One can only speculate why but I would wager that, like every party, they know full well that over playing over hand will eventually backfire as, if there is one sure fire thing in politics, it is that ‘there but for the grace of God goes I’

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            Integrity? June 1, 2015 10:26 pm
          • Your last paragraph arguably asks the question which should be getting asked, if it doesn’t serve any purpose for the SNP why has this been allowed to progress as far as it has?
            Nicola Sturgeon’s side wants it all to go away, she accepted Carmichael’s apology, suggested he should apologise to his constituents, which he has done, close the chapter and move on.
            Unfortunately for team Sturgeon, team Salmond set in train an infantry which has become fragmented and divided, confused over which General deserves their loyalty.
            The ‘bullroarer’ who leads by example, trampling over anything and everything that gets in his way or the new moderate & progressive leader who promotes discussion and compromise.
            Nobody seriously believes this is being driven by the people of Orkney and Shetland, so why pretend that it is. It’s purely driven by SNP activists/militants whose sole purpose is to cause disruption to the current political system.

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            John M June 2, 2015 12:04 am
          • I’m really enjoying reading this blog just now. No NCH and his 1000 aliases trying to hi-jack the thread with his vitriol of absolutely everything British. That enormous chip on his shoulder must be tiring for the old timer.

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            John Smith June 2, 2015 7:11 am
    • Tim, Carmichael smeared Sturgeon, hence the SNP, and thus his SNP opponent. He also smeared Milliband, hence the Labour Party, and thus affected the vote of every Labour candidate throughout the UK.
      The big question is, was he acting for himself locally, for the Tories nationally, for the secret services, or all of these. Whatever way you look at it his inaction in stopping the leak of what he now agrees was an inacurate memo affected the election of others.

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      Murdoch MacKenzie June 2, 2015 8:07 am Reply
  • NCH, thanks for the reply, Tim has adequately replied to you.

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    Rchard June 1, 2015 12:38 pm Reply
  • CARMICHAEL must go!

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    Machmaolain June 1, 2015 3:48 pm Reply
  • John, the answer is none.

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    richard June 1, 2015 10:23 pm Reply
  • All this petty nonsense, pretending it matters or is of any real consequence is put into some perspective this morning I think.

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    Jamie Black June 2, 2015 7:42 am Reply
    • I was thinking something similar on the way into work this morning.

      Agree or disagree with his politics I would think most would acknowledge that Charles Kennedy was one of the few politicians who entered it as a human being first and politician second and, most impressively, managed to maintain that when most fail to.

      The political world is certainly a less colourful and less decent place without him. There are many amongst the existing pack who could do with adopting a little of his good nature and ability to accept differing views without baring teeth.

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      Integrity? June 2, 2015 8:15 am Reply
    • I don’t agree with what you say here Jamie. While our thoughts go out to those who grieve for Charles Kennedy, it does not detract from the importance of righting the wrong done by this other Lib Dem. The lives of millions throughout the UK and the world could be affected by the results of the lies that he spread. We need to know why he did what he did and if others were involved.
      I’m sure Charles Kennedy was as shocked as the rest of us.

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      Murdoch MacKenzie June 2, 2015 8:25 am Reply
    • Very sad news, thoughts are with his family and close friends.

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      John M June 2, 2015 8:26 am Reply
  • Charles Kennedy was a respected man not without his demons.
    Whether you agreed or disagreed with him politically today is a time of mourning and, perhaps, when eulogising we should not seek to be making political capital on the same page?

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    Erik the Viking June 2, 2015 8:40 am Reply
    • Very fair words Erik. Such a shame that every day folk can think this way but the former first minister feels the need to capitalise on such a sad occasion.

      Alex Salmond did great things for the SNP but he really is an odious character.

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      Integrity? June 2, 2015 7:35 pm Reply
      • Distortion Again!

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        Machmaolain June 3, 2015 6:53 pm Reply
      • Carmichael must GO!

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        Machmaolain June 3, 2015 6:55 pm Reply
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    No Cheese Here June 2, 2015 9:40 pm Reply
  • And more

    Standards Commission confirm investigation into Carmichael
    Tuesday, June 2, 2015, at 1:32pm

    The Office of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards has today confirmed that a formal investigation into Northern Isles MP Alistair Carmichael has been launched.

    The commission received a number of complaints following Mr Carmichael’s admission of responsibility regarding a leaked memo and last week said that an investigation would be considered.

    The paragraphs of the Code of Conduct for MPs under which Mr Carmichael is being investigated are:

    Paragraph 10 – Members shall base their conduct on a consideration of the public interest, avoid conflict between personal interest and the public interest and resolve any conflict between the two, at once, and in favour of the public interest.

    Paragraph 14 – Information which Members receive in confidence in the course of their parliamentary duties should be used only in connection with those duties. Such information must never be used for the purpose of financial gain.

    Paragraph 16 – Members shall never undertake any action which would cause significant damage to the reputation and integrity of the House of Commons as a whole, or of its Members generally.

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    No Cheese Here June 3, 2015 6:07 pm Reply
  • It’s time to let all this nonsense go.
    Yes, it seems the man made a mistake.
    But how many more much worse mistakes have been made in politics without the individual being hunted down like this?
    (I leave you to to suggest your own examples!)
    The £40,000 apparently “gathered” for the campaign against Carmichaeal should, instead, be donated towards helping those desperate people in Nepal.
    Think how many tents, how many blankets, how much food, £40,000 could supply.
    Get real guys, and look at what’s actually really important in this world.

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    ClootieCumpling June 3, 2015 9:29 pm Reply
    • We elect our MPs to serve us and expect them to act with integrity. Carmichael was party to slander of a fellow politician and political party, at the very least. He then lied about it in order to gain re-election. Whether we like the SNP or not, toleration of such behaviour will only lead to further corruption. And you have no right to decide how £40,000 of other peoples’ money is spent!

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      Martin June 5, 2015 10:05 pm Reply
  • Have you donated any money Clatty dumplin?
    If not go away now and write to Carmichael to stand down so the money can go to your favourite charity!
    Even better donate while you are doing it and the term hypocrite won’t be used against you.
    Carmichael lied to his constituents deceived and covered up.
    Let’s give his constituents a second chance. Mind and put that in your note.

    https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-people-versus-carmichael#/story

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    No Cheese Here June 3, 2015 9:42 pm Reply
  • Here’s a copy of the Petition that has been submitted to the Court. I notice that the alleged Nicola comment about Milliband not being PM material is not mentioned. I’m not sure that was a good idea.

    http://www.shetland.gov.uk/elections/documents/CertifiedCopyofElectionPetition.pdf

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    Murdoch MacKenzie June 5, 2015 11:06 pm Reply

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