General Election part of the political Gallipoli of indy versus union

It started with the endless campaign for indyref 1. It continues with the current General Election campaign for a mandate to make indyref 2 the issue of the 2016 Scottish Election.

Then there will be the campaign for that election – in which it’s more than likely that ‘we ain’t seen nothin’ yet’.

Then there will the 2017 campaign for the Scottish Local Authority Elections in 2017, with plenty of signs that the SNP are already gearing up to sweep the country at local level. Total domination is the name of the game. It will see Scotland an SNP monopoly, irrefutably a virtual one-party state, in a very short time.

With the result of the Scottish element of the current election sure to see the opposition parties this side of the  border all but obliterated, the 2016 Scottish Election is certain to deliver a comprehensive mandate for the SNP Scottish Government to hold indyref 2.

That will see permission having to be asked of Westminster to hold this second referendum – and that protocol, with the considerations it involves, can only pump the adrenaline and  see a shedload of divisive vitriolic abuse hurled southwards by the cybernat guerrilla force.

2017 will see both the Scottish Local Authority elections and the EU In-Out national referendum, that will  be another year of highly politicised campaigning.

2018 is the most likely year for indyref 2, with the infantry – fed by a series of interim victories and causes for attacks on ‘Westmonster’ – stoked to win. Which they will.

After that, UK elections will no longer be of concern to politics in Scotland.

We’ve just had the anniversary of the Gallipoli campaign, the catastrophic 1915 eight month long World War 1 military engagement in the Dardanelles in Turkey, between the forces of the British Empire and those of the Ottoman Empire,

It became a stalemate battle of attrition where both sides took horrendous casualties, both were left depleted and exhausted,  no side was the victor – but the Ottoman Empire was counted the winner because the campaign took place across its territory and it was not defeated.

The similarities with today’s political war for and against the Union are painful and may be instructive.

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  • Sorry to disagree, Newsie, but I believe the SNP will soon implode.

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    Lowry May 6, 2015 12:32 pm Reply
    • So it was OK when Scotland was a one party Labour state!! Nicola Sturgeon won’t explain how an SNP landslide is not a mandate for Independence. Just because she says so, I think not! The people have spoken! No confirmation that another referendum is coming. This is Scotland’s finest hour and not an inch closer to independence. Princess Nicola has blown it. With that and a sectarian bigot for the SNP candidate, me a life long SNP member – I’m off to vote for Alan Reid.

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      The Stig May 7, 2015 8:28 am Reply
      • Surely Scotland avoided being a one-party state by being part of Britain – and it’s the path of ‘democracy’ (and corruption) in Glasgow city politics that shows what can happen when one party is accustomed to unchallenged control of government.

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        Robert Wakeham May 7, 2015 8:44 am Reply
  • Feel sorry in a benign sort of way for Newsie as she dos’nt seem to like democracy if it does not go her way, all this silly talk of a one party state.
    If the electorate.in Scotland indeed vote en-mass for SNP that is the will of the electorate it will be a single party as the opposition arguments do not resonate with the Scottish Electorate, that’s Democracy, take it or leave it

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    john in kintyre May 6, 2015 1:35 pm Reply
    • So, if it wouldn’t be a one-party state, what would it be?

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      Robert Wakeham May 6, 2015 1:41 pm Reply
      • It’s democracy as long as you can vote them out again.

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        Arthur Blue May 6, 2015 4:50 pm Reply
      • Democratic bawbob

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        John in kintyre May 6, 2015 6:17 pm Reply
  • INFORMATION ON FASLANE & TRIDENT

    I note that some of For Argyll’s contributors were recently taking my name in vain and trying to attribute a number of comments on FA to me. Some of your contributors assumed that as information on Trident and Faslane had been placed on FA, this information must have come from me. Not so. I do have a wide range of information on this subject that I provide to many people and organisations so as to try and counter the misinformation that comes from the SNP and others who are opposed to Trident.

    I note that Brendan O’Hara, the SNP candidate for Argyll & Bute, has been quoted in the Press and Journal (P&J) on their Complete Guide to Voting report where he is trying to mislead the electorate. When referring to Trident and Faslane, the P&J reports that: “SNP candidate Brendan O’Hara, lives in Helensburgh and is well aware of the issues. He argues that the site could remain a base for existing submarines without the need to spend £100 billion on replacing Trident” “There is a common misconception that that the SNP will close Faslane, which is not the case at all” he said. “As much as I personally would like to see all nuclear weapons removed from Scottish soil, that is not on the agenda. So Faslane and its current capacity is there and will stay” he said.

    Although they do not like it being discussed in public, the SNP and Scottish CND have confirmed that they want all nuclear powered submarines removed from Scotland and not just the 4 Trident boats. Taking into account the new Astute Class boats, we are talking about a total of 17 submarines and not just the 4 that the SNP would have us believe.

    On Jobs, a Scottish Enterprise ECOS Study confirmed that a total of 10,598 jobs were dependent on Faslane. That figure does not include the additional 2,000 that are due to be created as a result of the Maritime Change Programme which would bring the total up to approximately 12,500 jobs. Dr Philips O’Brien of the University of Glasgow confirmed that compared with other similar sized countries, if Scotland was to get rid of Trident and have its own conventional forces, the total number of jobs that would be left would be 2,000. These would be split with 1,000 based on the east coast and 1,000 at Faslane. A loss of over 11,000 jobs in Argyll & Bute.

    The SNP are keen to highlight that the Trident replacement would cost £100 billion. What they do not say is that figure would be spread over the next 40 years (£2.5 billion per year). What they also keep quiet is that the welfare budget over the same period will be £10,380 billion (£260 billion per year). The cost of the Trident replacement is therefore less than 1% of the estimated welfare budget over the same period.

    Apart from the jobs that would be lost within Argyll & Bute if the SNP were to get their way, Argyll & Bute Council would potentially lose massive sums of Non Domestic Rates (NDR) and Council Tax income. The rateable value of MoD properties at Faslane, Coulport etc is over £17 million. Based on the current poundage rate, this would generate a potential annual loss of over £7.5 million in NDR to Argyll & Bute Council. If we then include the Council Tax or Contribution in Lieu of Rates that the Council receives from the living accommodation within Faslane, that financial loss is pushed up to approximately £8.5 million per year.

    These losses do not take into account the massive losses / costs that would be generated as a result of the massive redundancies that would result from the removal of all submarines from Faslane.

    I believe that these facts must be taken into account when people cast their votes tomorrow.

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    Councillor George Freeman May 6, 2015 1:38 pm Reply
    • “Based on the current poundage rate, this would generate a potential annual loss of over £7.5 million in NDR to Argyll & Bute Council.”

      As a Councillor surely you should know the revenue collected from Non Domestic Rates does not go to the Council? It goes to a central pot….

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      Hughie May 6, 2015 2:19 pm Reply
    • In a Trident-free Scotland its forces would have to co-operate closely with those of its neighbours – anything else would be silly – and Faslane could well continue as a major combined, but non-WMD, naval base. The SNP know this, whatever their line for the election.
      There is an economic argument against Trident too, supported by many senior military figures, that it sucks funding away from other badly-needed equipment and manning i.e. jobs elsewhere in the defence industry. “Massive redundancies” is nonsense. The money saved … £100Bn ? … can be invested in jobs elsewhere, wisely or otherwise. Jobs are important … yes … but the nature of the products is important too.
      PS … England’s defence will have to co-operate closely with its neighbours too, independent or otherwise.
      Anything else would be silly.

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      Arthur Blue May 6, 2015 5:05 pm Reply
      • What navies are going to want to use a naval base in a foreign country on a regular basis? Switzerland is the only one that I can think of that does not have its own port. The US Navy will definitely not want to use because there would presumably be a ban on any nuclear powered or armed vessels.

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        Lundavra May 6, 2015 6:49 pm Reply
        • The USN, for one, regularly uses bases in foreign countries. Sometimes without the consent of the natives, as at Guantanamo.

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          Arthur Blue May 7, 2015 9:32 am Reply
      • Arthur Blue, typical nationalist cr*p.

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        Simon Hart May 6, 2015 9:05 pm Reply
        • Well Simon … no doubt you are an expert on crap.

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          Arthur Blue May 7, 2015 9:34 am Reply
    • Who was demeaning you? I have never heard of you!
      Are you important?

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      Chris.p.Bacon May 6, 2015 6:59 pm Reply
  • ‘poliical Gallipoli’? Really?

    Spare us the hyperbole and offer something positive please

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    Erik the Viking May 6, 2015 2:19 pm Reply
    • How about you sparing us the multiple identities and either shutting up or commenting as yourself – if you’re real, that is.

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      Robert Wakeham May 6, 2015 2:44 pm Reply
      • Perhaps it’s you with the D.I.D. Bobby? Who are you voting for today with the wind in the NW …..or can’t you answer that until Newsie gives you the line?

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        Erik the Viking May 6, 2015 4:01 pm Reply
        • It’s tomorrow – someone’s programmed you wrong, grassy viking..

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          Robert Wakeham May 6, 2015 4:27 pm Reply
          • Very observant Bobbag – still time to change your mind. At this rate Newsie will probably be pushing the UKIP line by the opening of the polls – As my Gaelic cousins would say ‘A’bhiast as mutha ag ithe na beiste as lugha’

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            Erik the Viking May 6, 2015 4:52 pm
          • Vikings don’t have Gaelic cousins, any fool knows that.

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            Robert Wakeham May 6, 2015 4:59 pm
          • “Vikings don’t have Gaelic cousins, any fool knows that” Tell us why then given you qualify under that criteria?

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            Erik the Viking May 6, 2015 5:39 pm
      • Robert losing your cool as the election draws nearer.
        Why do you never tell juttle, G Mackay, Black, to stop the multiple personalities!! Is Lowry and Black the same? I have been identified as at least 15-20 individuals and all wrong!
        Lol

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        No Cheese Here May 6, 2015 4:46 pm Reply
        • NCH, – I can assure you there is only one Gus MacKay posting on here as myself, so juttle, like all the other faceless, nameless people are as much of a mystery to me as to you.

          Keep supporting Nicola ‘Thatcher in a kilt’ Sturgeon. Have a nice day.

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          Gus MacKay May 6, 2015 5:15 pm Reply
        • Robert, Most of the indiginous population of the West Coast of Scotland carry Scandnavian DNA so I would hazard a guess your not often right with your one liners but wrong again

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          John in kintyre May 6, 2015 6:15 pm Reply
          • Are you sure that you’re not mixing up the West coast with the East? – and over there the indigenous population are not Gaels, regardless of the proliferation of multilingual station signs in the most unlikely of places, courtesy of our friends in Holyrood.

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            Robert Wakeham May 6, 2015 6:40 pm
          • Correct John

            Add in a bit of Spanish to the mix

            Alba Gu Brath

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            keitho May 6, 2015 7:30 pm
          • Scandinavian DNA is as you would expect highest in the Northern Isles, then in Lewis and Harris, tailing off quite markedly as you go south along the coast. I got my DNA tested recently, and with all known ancestors from the Highlands, the West Coast, and Donegal, I expected at least a smattering of Norse descent, but to my surprise found that I am pure ancient Briton. That’s not so simple either, as a third of Syrians have DNA connection with us ancient Britons. I am now left wondering which third.

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            Arthur Blue May 7, 2015 9:41 am
        • NCH – losing my cool with a bunch of SNP created constructs who’ve invaded these pages just to shout the odds for the Westminster election, who don’t give a damn for any of the other issues aired here, and for whom the term ‘numpty’ is far, far too polite.

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          Robert Wakeham May 6, 2015 6:32 pm Reply
          • No Robert, West of Scotland according to research by Cambridge University

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            john in kintyre May 6, 2015 6:53 pm
      • Losing it now Robert,Eh!

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        Chris.p.Bacon May 6, 2015 7:02 pm Reply
  • Councillor George Freeman says: “Taking into account the new Astute Class boats, we are talking about a total of 17 submarines and not just the 4 that the SNP would have us believe”

    17 Submarines????? That’ll be 7 Astutes and 4 Vanguards. I make that exactly 11. The last 2 Trafalgars that are coming to Faslane will be long gone before all 7 Astutes are operational.

    It looks like Wikipedia knows more about our Naval Base than our Councillors.

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    RichieMac May 6, 2015 2:40 pm Reply
    • RitchieMac, as you will be aware, the number of submarines changes as new Astute Class boats come into service and boats go out of service. Although it is irrelevant as to whether there are 14, 15, 16, 17 or 18 submarines, the point I was making is that the SNP will insist on referring to the 4 Trident boats only so as to try and down play the number of jobs that are at risk and the massive loss to the Argyll & Bute economy.
      Although the jobs numbers quoted may be a few hundred or so either way, it is noted that you have not challenged the approximate figures quoted and you have not tried to say that only 550 jobs are at risk if the SNP get their way which is the official line that the SNP continues to quote. You have also failed to comment on the line Brendan O’Hara argues “that the site could remain a base for existing submarines”. This is certainly NOT SNP policy.
      Do you agree with Brendan O’Hara that “Faslane and its current capacity is there and will stay”? How can this be? This is just a comment to try and gain a few extra votes.
      As part of the Maritime Change Programme, all of the UK’s submarine fleet is due to be based at Faslane. That is the reason for the additional jobs that are due to be created. As far as submarine numbers are concerned, there currently 4 Trident Class boats, 4 Trafalgar Class boats (was 5 but Tireless has just been laid-up), including the new boats in the pipeline, there will be 6 Astute Class boats and there are 7 boats laid-up at Rosyth. We can then add on to that the DSRV (Deep Submergence Rescue Vehicle). At no stage did I say that there would be 17 submarines at any given time.
      If you want to play with numbers as the SNP continually do, then based on the above numbers, there are 20 (if you only include 2 Trafalgar Class boats) that are currently based in Scotland or are due to be based in Scotland (excluding Tireless which is now laid-up in Devonport) that the SNP do not want here.
      From what Brendan O’Hara now says, nothing will change and these will all remain in Scotland? Can this man be believed?

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      Councillor George Freeman May 6, 2015 4:44 pm Reply
      • Is Cllr freeman being lined up for a defence job?

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        No Cheese Here May 6, 2015 4:47 pm Reply
      • George you and yours are shouting in an empty room.

        No one is listening.

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        keitho May 6, 2015 7:36 pm Reply
      • For clearer more accurate figures –

        http://www.nuclearinfo.org/article/uk-trident-operational-berths/ministry-defence-reveals-just-520-faslane-jobs-depend-trident

        “I believe that these facts must be taken into account when people cast their votes tomorrow”

        Most people will cast their vote tomorrow confident in the knowledge that all the numbers people such as you throw at us will not in any way detract from how morally and ethically bankrupt these obscenities truly are and that the smart way to make a start to losing this badge of shame, this disgrace is to do the decent thing.
        Vote SNP

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        JnrTick May 6, 2015 11:56 pm Reply
      • George, I entirely agree with your sentiments, but it’s you that’s playing with numbers. There will only be a maximum of 11 submarines operating out of Faslane.
        Keep up with the news George. This was released 6 months ago …
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-30184864

        As i said before, 4 Vanguard-class (Not Trident-Class as you mistakenly call them) and upto 7 Astute/Trafalgar Class. (The last 2 Astutes replacing Talent and Triumph post 2020.)

        And half a dozen decomissioned submarines layed-up in Rosyth has very little to do with the economy of Argyll and Bute.
        However, keep up the good work and don’t let the SNP grind you down.

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        RichieMac May 7, 2015 8:58 am Reply
    • I just had a look at your findings.
      Absolutely correct!
      Is that guy a councillor and who or what voted for it?

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      Chris.p.Bacon May 6, 2015 7:03 pm Reply
    • RichieMac

      Trident? The councillors don’t need to know very much about anything.

      If they fall asleep at important meetings and this is noted by fellow councillors and officers they still get promotion if they don’t rock Dick’s boat.
      After this election is over for this blog to do some kind of service to A and B, it should forget party lines and name and shame the sleeping councillors from any ward.
      I have heard of councillors who fall asleep at important meetings so it can be assumed many others do.
      It is a failure of their public duty for the officials and senior officers not to do something about.

      Sally Loudon still hiding behind her desk and minions?

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      agnes moffat May 6, 2015 8:37 pm Reply
      • Agnes,good to hear from you again.Great Post!!
        Have a stiff glass of sherry tomorrow night!!!

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        Machmaolain May 6, 2015 8:42 pm Reply
  • Forget the heading, the Gallipoli campaign was a completely different situation.
    If the information from Councillor Freeman is correct this is enough reason not to vote for the Snp candidate tomorrow
    Argyll & Bute cannot afford job losses of the numbers he has highlighted.

    Vote for the best candidate,- vote for Mary Galbraith. Vote Labour.

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    Gus MacKay May 6, 2015 4:18 pm Reply
    • Well Gus Mackay you are very entitled to promote your candidate and I admire you for doing it in an up front fashion.
      It could be the final throw of the dice from the Labourites.
      Could you give me your predictions?

      Mine are

      Labour will be fourth

      The Libdems and the Tories will be fighting for second prize.

      Brendan O’Hara will win for the SNP.

      Alan Reid has had his chance, he is one of the least inspiring people in the whole campaign.

      A fresh face is needed.

      Argyll and Bute need some inspiration from its MP.

      It will be up to Brendan O’Hara to show what can be done and by doing so show how poor Alan Reid has been. He will be judged by his actions as every politician is.

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      keitho May 6, 2015 8:14 pm Reply
      • I have said who I will be voting for and would encourage anyone who has not made up their mind to vote Labour also.
        As has been said before, there is only one party who can replace the Tories in No10, and as you and all the other Snp supporters know, it is the Labour Party led by Ed Milliband.
        If the polls are correct, and nothing makes me think they will be, the thought of a large pack of nationalist MP’s descending on Westminster like a class of badly behaved school children fills me with horror, (with the greatest respect to all school children ) To save us that embarrassment I hope the polls are wrong.

        Predictions! I’ll leave that to you, but can I just remind you, it has I believe, been the Snp who are usually fourth in General Elections in Argyll and Bute.

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        Gus MacKay May 6, 2015 9:04 pm Reply
      • Do you mean the same kind of inspiration Argyll and Bute has come to expect from the one and only Mike Russell MSP , Snp. ?
        How lucky we might be!!!

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        Gus MacKay May 6, 2015 9:50 pm Reply
  • Having visited Gallipoi I find linking of death at Gallipoli and democratic process here…a distateful and disrespectful sound bite to those that died… its no better than comparing the SNP to nazis… we should rise above this gutter mud slinging…… and thats coming from a unionist.

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    Karl Hughes May 6, 2015 4:52 pm Reply
    • That’s why i said it was a different situation, and as such Gallipoli has nothing to do with this election.

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      Gus MacKay May 6, 2015 6:15 pm Reply
    • This is no more than a legitimate metaphor for a prolonged political conflict which has been and will continue to be hugely costly to both sides in political terms.
      It has already cost the SNP its former and legendary leader and former First Minister of Scotland.
      It looks as if it has cost one major national political party – in Scotland anyway; and, again in Scotland, a second string national party.
      It is all but certain to fire the starting gun on the end of an often principled [and sometimes unprincipled] political union that has been eminent worldwide for centuries.
      That starting gun will be primed by the start of a marshalled and serious push for Scotland to leave the Union. which will succeed.
      The cost of that to all current members of the Union is almost beyond measuring.
      No one will be the winner; but the UK, like the Ottoman Empire, is likely to end up being adjudged the winner simply because the conflict was fought on its territory and it remains standing.
      The divisions and the scale of the wastefulness in this gig are enormous and will impact long into the future on both counts.
      A political conflict that changes the lives of 63 million people utterly and irrevocably is not a matter unworthy of the appropriate, if chilling, metaphor we used.

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      newsroom May 6, 2015 7:05 pm Reply
      • Away and play in the traffic.What are you nutters on.The onion is dead.They just haven’t realised it yet.
        Get a grip on reality!!!

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        Machmaolain May 6, 2015 8:17 pm Reply
        • ‘Get a grip on reality!’ – that’s rich, coming from someone who doesn’t exist ‘in reality’, only as a multiple troll-construct created by the SNP spin-jocks.

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          Robert Wakeham May 6, 2015 10:13 pm Reply
          • Bob, you seem to have an identity obsession. Are you really who you say you are? Or do you have a multiple-personality problem, and are in a process of transference? Or are you Jim the Egg Man in another incarnation?

            Whatever, I think you need to give up this identity fetish.

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            Kassandra May 8, 2015 8:29 pm
      • Don’t know what she has been drinking but seems she has started earlier than usual.

        Probably more and worse guff to follow as it takes effect.

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        keitho May 6, 2015 8:17 pm Reply
        • aye,but the comedy effect is priceless !!

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          Machmaolain May 6, 2015 8:39 pm Reply
          • Tell us the one again about Alan Reid being the ‘most likely pro-Union consensus candidate’ 🙂 🙂

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            Erik the Viking May 6, 2015 8:48 pm
          • Happily.
            He is.
            We have laid out the reasons for this and hold to that considered view.
            It does not mean he will win.
            We can have no idea how many people understand what is at issue in this election adn ust how much of an imperative tactical voting is.
            We’ll all know tomorrow night.

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            newsroom May 6, 2015 9:48 pm
        • Keitho / ? – you don’t need to have been drinking to be really quite put off by the SNP’s little army of multiple personalities on this blog – like Machmaolain / Chris p Bacon / Sally Forth / ?, and Erik the Viking / Grassy Knoll / ?.
          Anyone spotted more of these uber-patriotic alter egos?

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          Robert Wakeham May 6, 2015 10:23 pm Reply
          • Yes,I have.Booby Wickerman!

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            Machmaolain May 7, 2015 5:22 am
      • Newsie as someone from the Island of Ireland do you believe that Ireland should be united politically as a unitary state?
        since you supported the nationalist SDLP and once skirted death with the snp! lol I would assume you must do.
        But now you support a loyalist unionist part grouping. Weird.

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        No Cheese Here May 6, 2015 8:31 pm Reply
        • Yes I do.
          One major lesson I have personally learned from the narrow insularity of the nationalist separatists and the Scottish Government during and since indyref 1, is that unity is a grown up, infinitely more demanding but infinitely more rewarding politics in its plurality.
          indyref 1 taught me that, to be consistent, I should revisit my personal scepticism about the EU – and I have done that.
          No institution is beyond reform – and whether we achieve some of the necessary reforms to the lack of democratic accountability of the EU; to its chokingly centralist nature; and to the sheer constipation of too many of its procedures, I am now unconcerned as to whether we do this as a condition of continuing membership or from within our current membership.
          I have always felt that Ireland would be better as a united island – and I spent every minute of my own life there living as if it was. This was not done as any political statement but as a natural way of being. What made that so rewarding was the difference between its various cultural components – and this is not a crude difference between north and south, but between each single region and the others.
          I would not, though, wish to see anyone anywhere in a forced marriage. I do believe that force majeure is a brutish and unevolved way of deciding anything today; and that things achieved through it remain troubled.
          I have said before that I do not believe that the means justify the end; but that the end validates the means.
          So I am for a united Ireland; for a united Great Britain or United Kingdom [as a federation]; and for a united Europe. None of them may happen or last – but at least, these days, I’m consistent.
          And tomorrow I’m voting for Alan Reid.
          Had tactical voting not been such an imperative, I’d have voted for the Labour candidate, Mary Galbraith, which was what I had thought I would do.
          Lynda

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          newsroom May 6, 2015 10:14 pm Reply
          • Tactical voting is not such an imperative as you say, if all those who believe in voting for the best candidate, Mary Galbraith,she would obviously have a better chance of winning.
            Argyll & Bute would then be represented by a first class MP.

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            Gus MacKay May 6, 2015 11:28 pm
          • This doesn’t work, though – because everyone has their own idea of who is the best candidate, which splits the vote, letting the separatists will walk through it..
            This is not about the best candidate.
            It’s about the one most people of any political persuasion COULD vote for.
            Pro-union voters today have to forget all about personal party preferences and ‘best’ candidates and put their vote behind the pro-union candidate who is the most likely to come second to the SNP – and for whom they think people other than themselves COULD vote.
            THis is why we have shown the reasons why we feel that this candodate is Alan Reid.
            It is a sad disappointment that Labour voters are manifestly the least likely to put the need to retain the Union first – and ironically – or justly – the Labour party will be the biggest loser if the Union goes down.

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            newsroom May 7, 2015 12:55 am
          • Cor blimey, newsie, you could be our new Olympic entrant in the “Pompous Drivel” event. Where do you get this sort of stuff from? Mind you, the above is not up to the same standard as:

            “battling against the prevailing winds of sanity” – one of your better efforts, which I now use frequently. I forget all the rest of the good ones, deleted the files, unfortunately, but really, can’t you afford an editor?

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            Kassandra May 8, 2015 8:38 pm
  • Wake up and smell the lutefisk!

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    Erik the Viking May 6, 2015 8:35 pm Reply
    • Brilliant!!

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      Machmaolain May 6, 2015 8:38 pm Reply
      • Ye, great. Lutefisk Sturgeon covered in thick makeup again. What a sight.

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        Simon Hart May 6, 2015 9:17 pm Reply
        • What’s worse .. looking at lutefisk,smelling lutefisk,or tasting lutefisk?

          It’s a tough call.

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          rob trythall May 7, 2015 8:55 am Reply
  • Newsroom, there are other pressures that if they occur will dwarf any plans that the SNP, or the UK have, the sensitivity of the whole of Europe and the EU in particular showed in a speech given by Jean Claude Junker at a speech at KUL university, it maybe that he’d had a drink but it seems the real truth came out.
    http://www.euractiv.com/sections/eu-priorities-2020/juncker-if-greece-leaves-anglo-saxons-will-try-break-eurozone-314308
    The SNP plans and what they say in public are nothing other than lies, they claim they have agreement for auto a tic entry to the EU and Nato, how do they balance that with the plans of the EU,
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/574740/Germany-pushes-again-European-army
    This is not a piece of cheap journalism it has been reported on in most of Europe’s press.
    Quite a lot of what Farage has to say is true and we should as a United Kingdom give very careful consideration to where we want to be in the Europe/world pecking order.
    Much has been said about oil and the prices, the interesting thing is the economic/military actions the new (younger) leaders in Saudia and other countries are taking plus old wounds healed and new alliance appearing, the Saudi’s are fighting in Yemen, there is no US pressure this is the Saudi’s taking steps by themselves just as they have dealt with the threat of over supply of oil and America reducing it’s need to import oil by fracking.
    Now the really nasty bit, the thing that the SNP and CND etc believe is a waste of money nuclear arms, Saudia and other wealthy middle east countries are not going to sit back and watch Iran developed nuclear capacity or others gain it by the back door, they will and maybe they are well on the way to having their own weapons, then you have China on a massive drive to out gun the West in not only military terms but technology, economically and an aggressive land grab policy, look at the money they are spending building Islands, look at their space programme.
    Politicians like Salmond and Sturgeon are insular and not worldly wise, they preach and promise class war, promise a land of milk and honey, benefits for all, houses for all, just don’t have any ambition or question us,the big bad world will bow to us, sadly a lot of people believe them and a lot of damage is going to happen.

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    richard May 6, 2015 10:29 pm Reply
    • Selfish boring man!!.
      You’re argument is hanging like a clowns bottom!

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      Machmaolain May 6, 2015 10:41 pm Reply
    • What a load of whining. What are you concerned about! Don’t like Democracy or something?

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      Machmaolain May 7, 2015 5:20 am Reply
    • Quite delusional, Dick. Have you been taking your medicine?

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      Kassandra May 8, 2015 8:40 pm Reply
  • Councilor George Freeman, I am no a fan or supporter but I am impressed with your posting and the ‘bare bone’ facts you have presented, I personally have no doubt that the MOD have contingency plans for relocating our Submarine fleet, this should not be seen as ‘blackmail or a threat’ this is just good management and taking into account all threats to the UK including internal ones. I am sure that the SNP see the massive loss of jobs as collateral damage and are happy to justify it to gain their own goal of independence at any cost.
    Mr O’Hara should stick to ‘mind games’ http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04fgqzd/credits

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    richard May 6, 2015 10:51 pm Reply
  • Angry little pretendy Mr Machmaolain, put up a counter argument or disappear back to SNP cyber land, if by any rare possibility you exist you are sad and sick in the head, maybe nurse Nicola will help you!
    Have a shit night.

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    richard May 6, 2015 10:59 pm Reply
    • OooooooooooooOH

      Have a good day tomorrow,Selfish man!

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      Machmaolain May 7, 2015 5:09 am Reply
    • I take it Richard you and NEWSIE are in for a sad day.

      From your days of gloating last September how things have changed. NEWSIE believes in a nation of Ireland but denies the Scots to the same ideal as an Irish person.

      You believe in the aircraft carrier of a Untied Kingdom including Northern Ireland governed by London and the nation of Scotland to be ignored.
      Both are wrong as it reduces Scotland without control of its finances, borders and self determination but hey us Scots are a welcoming crowd and if you wish to remain in Scotland so be it and you are entitled to vote which way you want.

      I will put Scotland first by voting SNP.

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      No Cheese Here May 7, 2015 7:51 am Reply
    • Richard,

      tut tut

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      agnes moffat May 7, 2015 9:45 am Reply
      • You mean – “Richard – Dick”, Agnes, if you don’t mind me saying so.

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        Kassandra May 8, 2015 8:41 pm Reply
  • NCH, how you vote is up to you, I see a United Kingdom that has the best economy in Europe and and unemployment at its lowest for years, uncosted promises, increased borrowing and ultimately the destruction of the UK are all the SNP have to offer.
    I have voted for the party that offers further growth and stability and that’s my right.
    I had no reason to gloat over the result of the Referendum as I see the division of Scottish society and the rise of bitter people such as yourself, the continuous whine from you and your ilk about Westminster can be easily silenced in the next few months, full fiscal autonomy and the end of the Barnet Formula, English MP’S only voting on English matters and Scottish MP’s on Scottish issues all MP’S voting on UK matters.
    Perhaps 59 MP’S should be elected from aacross rUK to sit in Holyrood and be allowed to vote on matters that effect the UK, let’s start with wind farms and the subsidies.

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    richard May 7, 2015 8:21 am Reply
    • Got my attention there Richard ! The anti turbine campaign is going from strength to strength at the moment.
      As far as this good Conservative voter is concerned the number of SNP MPs returned just replace the number of Labour MPs. So what’s new ? The main thing is that for the good of the UK (see referendum result) there has to be a Conservative win even if it means getting involved with the Liberals again.

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      Malcolm Kirk May 7, 2015 8:44 am Reply
      • Greetings from Agnes,

        lovely morning, voted at 7am, polling station remarkably busy.

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        agnes moffat May 7, 2015 9:41 am Reply
        • Morning, voted at 0725, polling station dead, only 15 voters before me (so the official told the bustling SNP lady who had parked on the double yellows at the front door! Lol).

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          Jamie Black May 7, 2015 9:54 am Reply
    • The best economy in Europe Richard? Really

      I think your gin needs a lot more Tonic.

      Next you’ll be telling us we have the best foodbanks in Europe.

      You really don’t have clue how the other half live.

      Your continuous self satisfied smug posts are helping Brendan O’Hara and the SNP to win this seat.

      Please continue.

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      Keitho May 7, 2015 10:22 am Reply
      • Keitho, you gotta ac-cen-tu-ate the negative, eliminate the positive, refuse to accept that, there is something inbetween…

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        Jamie Black May 7, 2015 10:47 am Reply
  • I have said this before and I repeat:
    The electorate should be AWARE that the following is fact
    NATIONALISM
    HAS BLIND ZEAL
    AND
    TOTAL INDIFFERENCE TO REALITY>

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    Marl. May 7, 2015 9:54 am Reply
    • If you tear off the blinkers you will see that this is about democracy and representation

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      Erik the Viking May 7, 2015 10:01 am Reply
    • Marl

      would like us to vote for the unionist parties for …….

      more food banks

      more illegal wars

      more children in poverty

      The establishment in Scotland has been changed by the referendum.

      Vote SNP and change the UK establishment.

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      Keitho May 7, 2015 10:37 am Reply
    • Are you off your heed!

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      Machmaolain May 7, 2015 4:48 pm Reply
  • Are you suggesting that ALL past General Elections have NOT been about democracy and representation?

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    rob trythall May 7, 2015 10:24 am Reply
    • The uKOK government is the 14th most Democraric in the western world.Getting rid of the HOS will make it 8th
      Vote SNP,vote proudly and boldly!!!!

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      Machmaolain May 7, 2015 11:10 am Reply
      • This is a continuum of your offering,over the last few weeks, a series of bizarre statistics to support your very bizarre statements.

        When challenged, you have never offered any credible evidence to support any of your claims. Remember your crass statement re Catalonia and EEC membership??

        Back to democracy . Defining or quantifying democrarcy is very subjective.

        But back to the SNP and democracy.

        Personally I don’t believe it is democratic for the possibility of a 2nd Independence Referendum to be dependent exclusively on Nicola S’ Gut, when she stated:-

        “We are not at that point yet, but I think I will know in my gut whether it’s the right thing or wrong thing to do, and that will be down to not what the SNP wants, or what the SNP thinks is right, but what I think is right for Scotland and what I think the people of Scotland want ”

        She will deny SNP supporters and the SNP Party any input/say as to when/if there will be a 2nd Independence Referendum.

        So there you have your Leader’s perception of Democracy.Do you agree with her perception?

        Now let’s get back to lutefisk

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        rob trythall May 7, 2015 11:49 am Reply
        • Nicola has plainly said that another referendum will only be put forward when the SNP are voted in with this as an element in their manifesto. Won’t be too long, of course.

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          Kassandra May 8, 2015 8:44 pm Reply
  • The casting of my vote just after 7 this morning brings an end to another general election campaign (for me at least, I know there will be people begging for votes until 10pm tonight!) and, once again, it is a campaign that has further disenfranchised me from our political system.

    Some of you might know that I work in and around politics as a matter of routine, not for any party (nor would I ever want to) and I have no party affiliation (in the interest of honesty I would say was a Labour voter historically but haven’t voted Labour consistently since Tony Blair changed the party for the worst. Funnily enough I completed one of those slightly simplistic online ‘Which party do you support’ questionnaires and I came out as a Green. Guess I better scrap my plans to cut down the tree in my garden!

    So why more disenfranchised? I suppose because I see the quality of the campaigns and the surrounding debate as becoming more juvenile, frivolous and even less honest than it used to be (and they haven’t exactly been packed with morality in the past). The countless TV debates have been ridiculous, the stream of hypocrisy laughable, and countless use of buzz words that mean nothing but are designed to give a false impression of the parties ethos suggest parties with little to offer bar loose words.
    However much more than that I have become tired of the level of abuse thrown at candidates, party members and supporters whether that be on the streets or online through social media. It really has reached a shameful level even though I do fully accept that, as a proportion of the population, it is a small percentage who are engaging in it. Social media is a great thing for so many reasons however there is no getting away from the fact it opens up unchecked avenues for pathetic people to hurl anonymous abuse and make personal threats (whether that be in relation to politics or football to any other popular topic).

    Personally I don’t think any of the parties are doing enough about it. Yes they all come out and make statements condemning it however none of that act consistently when they need to take action against people they can identify. Sometimes members are thrown out the party, sometimes candidates have the support of the party removed and sometimes they turn a blind eye. The only thing the parties are consistent about is pointing the finger at another party when they happen to fall foul of accusations.

    Politics in the UK does need a change, that is for sure, but equally so does the mind set of many people in our society. Banter is great, heated debate absolutely fine but when it comes to making threats etc because of a different political view then we showing an odious side.

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    Integrity? May 7, 2015 10:31 am Reply
    • Politics in the UK does need a change – a change to back a few years before social media and all that entails, as you say. The other obvious thing of course is that you have had four years of a Parliament and Opposition – how come you can’t make a decision on how to vote from all that realtime experience without having to undergo 6 weeks of rantings to satisfy the media ?

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      Malcolm Kirk May 7, 2015 10:49 am Reply
      • Its an interesting point. However you do have to, at the very least, give the opposition parties the clear opportunity to set out what they claim they would do if they were in power. After all you can only really judge the party/parties in government based on delivery.

        I wouldn’t say we need to go back to the days before social media. Social media can be, and often is, a very good tool to inform and engage. It is just that too many people use it as a tool for abuse or intimidation. It is not really the fault of the tool but of the people ‘brandishing’ it.

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        Integrity? May 7, 2015 11:06 am Reply
        • It draws you in Integrity – you can start being so ‘cool’ but before long you can become one of the ranters – it’s human nature. I would add that has never, to my knowledge, been the case with your good self.

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          Malcolm Kirk May 7, 2015 12:04 pm Reply
          • Don’t kid yourself, 63% of the people on here are figments of my imagination. Jamie, JnrTick, NCH, Richard, Karl Hughes, machmaolain..hell even you.

            All pseudonyms I use to wind myself up!

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            Integrity? May 7, 2015 12:08 pm
          • Hey – you forgot me!

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            Lowry May 7, 2015 1:26 pm
          • I’m crazy not sadistic Lowry!!!

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            Integrity? May 7, 2015 1:43 pm
          • Point taken.

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            Lowry May 7, 2015 3:49 pm
          • Just pinched myself… and it hurt, eureka !!!! I must be real 🙂 my “integrity” is intact and I do not feel the need to hide behind an alias or pseudonym even when I am proved to be wrong…

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            Karl Hughes May 7, 2015 3:54 pm
      • I agree Malcolm. now there’s a shocker.

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        Keitho May 7, 2015 7:54 pm Reply
    • I echo most of Integrity’s sentiments.

      Alex Massie’s Spectator article (18th April) “Scotland’s new National Faith ;- The great SNP revival and why it’s impervious to reason” has proven prescient

      Most of the SNP contribution to For Argyll, over the last few weeks, has confirmed his analysis that “ the SNP’s success lies in its ability to persuade Scots that it ALONE stands up for Scotland. Real Scots vote SNP;apostates vote for unionist parties“

      Until the SNP becomes ecumenical within the body politic of Scotland, reason will be suspended.

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      rob trythall May 7, 2015 4:59 pm Reply
    • Wish I was as holy as you, “integrity”.

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      Kassandra May 8, 2015 8:45 pm Reply
      • You can but try!

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        Integrity? May 8, 2015 8:48 pm Reply
  • The TV debates(?) seem to be a waste of air time. I only watched a part of two of them before giving up as it was nigh on impossible to hear what the candidate was saying. Perhaps they should be limited to one or two programmes.

    The format where the candidates had 5(?) minutes to make their pitch and then had to submit to cross examination from the others could have been good but for the constant interruptions (the sainted Nicola being the worst offender in what I saw). Perhaps their 5 minutes could be reduced by the length of the interruption.

    Mind you it would have been more interesting if someone came on and threw a net over the culprits and dragged them off stage.

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    JimB May 7, 2015 11:22 am Reply
    • One or two of these debates would be more than enough. They get tediously repetitive after the first one.
      And the squalling is like a schoolyard at break.
      We have suggested that the Chairs, who can almost never control them, should have a switchboard for the mics and simply switch off offenders for the rest of the time of the question under discussion.
      Why on earth amplify bad behaviour and lend it the means to be as disruptive as possible?

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      newsroom May 7, 2015 4:18 pm Reply
      • You have more front than Blackpool! Have you ever read your own articles LOL.

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        Machmaolain May 7, 2015 4:47 pm Reply
        • Newsie hasn’t got the stamina to read her own articles. Otherwise they would be edited to be more succinct and sensible(!)

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          Kassandra May 8, 2015 8:48 pm Reply
  • I have no doubt that the SNP will get a land slide victory, however sometimes the things you wish for have a habit of biteing you on the arse.

    The idea of a devolved totalitarian SNP Scotland actually does us few favours… it may lead to a change in stale UK politics… but by what avenue ? a totalitarian state has little to offer many, maybe even the majority of Scots… could it actually lead to PR North of the border…??? after all, who will the SNP have to argue with other than themselves ??? for certain the rest of the UK will have even less reason to listen to the continual rants about indy… with obvious expected infighting just over the brae the SNP may actually melt down .

    Nice thought 🙂

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    Karl Hughes May 7, 2015 4:16 pm Reply
    • Are you suggesting another referendum on PR?

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      Erik the Viking May 7, 2015 4:49 pm Reply
      • I must of missed that one, have we had a referendum on PR before?

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        John M May 7, 2015 4:59 pm Reply
        • We had a referendum on PR aka the ‘alternative vote’ in 2011. Surely no one is suggesting an AVref2 so soon and without s manifesto committment from any party?

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          Erik the Viking May 7, 2015 5:08 pm Reply
    • I seem to have hit a very shallow nerve … good.
      Could it actually be that we in Scotland get the government we didn’t vote for… oh the irony.

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      Karl Hughes May 7, 2015 6:36 pm Reply
  • As soon as we nationalists seem to winning,

    The establishment change the rules.

    That is the real irony.

    Stay in the union and vote the way we tell you or we’ll change the rules.

    Independence, yes, and we, The People of Scotland” make the rules.

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    Keitho May 7, 2015 7:45 pm Reply

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