Scottish Conservatives demand SNP publish figures on impact of full fiscal autonomy

The Scottish Conservatives are demanding that the Scottish Government finally publish figures on the impact of full fiscal autonomy – and disclose what this would mean for Scotland’s finances.

At a debate in the Scottish Parliament today, 1st April, the SNP will be asked to publish their analysis on full fiscal autonomy, as well as updated oil and gas projections.

The SNP have repeatedly said that their goal is for Scotland to have full fiscal autonomy. However, experts have warned that to achieve this there would need to be massive spending cuts, a hike in taxes or radically increased borrowing – none of which options are responsible or vote catchers.

Figures from the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) suggest that Scotland’s projected deficit in 2015/16 is now 4.6% of GDP higher than that for the UK as a whole.

In cash terms this is equivalent to a gap of £7.6 billion – ironically a figure akin to the amount the SNP predicted Scotland would earn annually from the tax take on the oil and gas sector’s activities in the North Sea.

Scottish Conservative finance spokesman Gavin Brown MSP says: ‘The public deserve to know the full impact of what fiscal autonomy would mean for Scotland.

‘That’s why we’re saying to the SNP, come on, let’s see your figures.

‘Scotland’s projected deficit for this year is now higher than the UK as a whole. This is unacceptable.

‘In the run up to the general election it’s important that the public know the full facts on public spending – the SNP have ducked this for far too long.’

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  • This is rich coming from Tories considering they won’t give details of their proposed £12 Billion welfare cuts until after the election.

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    Simon April 1, 2015 8:56 am Reply
    • Simon, we don’t really need an answer, just read the white paper, ‘Scotland’s Future’ it’s all in there!
      Had you forgotten about it?

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      richard April 1, 2015 9:23 am Reply
      • Richard rambling wrongly,readily rotten,dreary,dreadful and depressing,baseless and bombastic.

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        Machmaolain April 1, 2015 9:54 am Reply
        • Again you have no answer and have to revert to the SNP ‘modus operandi’ of name calling.
          The figures don’t add up and that was plainly obvious at FMQ the other day, what I find sad is that the SNP keep on repeating the same mantra until it slaps them in the face and the they try to blame Westminster, as for the tories decimating Scottish Industry I think you need to study the subject carefully, what happened at Linwood? Why did ship building almost end? why did the coal mines need to close?
          A lot of people like to blame Mrs Thatcher but is it the truth. How much was self inflicted.
          Now that should raise your blood pressure, take a tablet before replying.

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          richard April 1, 2015 10:24 am Reply
          • As you are very aware Ricky,I am as cool a character as you have ever corresponded with.(pause to put big stinkin reafer
            into Bob Marley ashtray)
            I attend all GLEE CLUB meetings,as you well know ,and if Carlsberg did cool guys like me I would probably be the coolest guy in the world.

            Getting back to your ridiculous question.All the manufacturing base you described went down the tubes due to lack of investment from owners.
            You probably don’t know what I mean so I will simplify for you.

            They didn’t buy into modernisation meaning took all their money out of the business making it economically non viable to win competitive tenders.
            I bet you feel proud about that anyways!!
            (Picks up big stinkin reafer again,takes a draw and thinks Ricky is a plonker)

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            Machmaolain April 1, 2015 2:12 pm
    • What proposed £12 billion pounds worth of cuts are you referring to ?

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      Malcolm Kirk April 1, 2015 12:03 pm Reply
      • The £12B in the welfare benefit budget which is being cut includes pensions, disability benefits, carers allowances.Which of those do you wish to be cut?
        I agree fraud should be pursued with vigor and fraudsters named shamed and prosecuted. I also think that tax dodgers should be pursued with vigor and tax dodgers named shamed and prosecuted but from what has happened in the past the first will continue to happen and the second will not.

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        Steve April 1, 2015 3:11 pm Reply
  • This would be the same Tories(blue version) who decimated the scottish industrial landscape leaving nothing in its place but poverty whilst secretly squandering Scotland’s oil wealth.
    I think I’m right in highlighting that Ruthie was elected to the Scottish Parliament as a list MSP with just over 1000 votes cast in her favour.She is hardly in a position to demand anything!

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    Machmaolain April 1, 2015 9:21 am Reply
    • Machmaolain, your using the NCH method of not answering the questions, let’s make it easy, what happened at Linwood and why was it closed?
      Surely you can answer that.

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      richard April 1, 2015 12:25 pm Reply
      • (Puts down big,well not that big now but never the less adequate,stinkin reafer and carefully places same into Bob Marley ashtray)
        See above answer,you fruit bat!!
        (Sucks the last life out of big stinkin reafer)

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        Machmaolain April 1, 2015 2:16 pm Reply
        • You are a typical SNP supporter?

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          richard April 3, 2015 3:06 pm Reply
      • Rickets,
        Because rich folk like you bought patriotic cars like Mercedes, Ferrari , Volvo etc.

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        No Cheese Here April 3, 2015 2:12 pm Reply
        • LOL! Whether you’re serious or not, the answer says it all about you!

          #godhelpthennarrowminded!

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          Jamie Black April 3, 2015 2:16 pm Reply
        • NCH, the bloody minded workforce and the Unions between them destroyed it, the product quality was putting it politely ‘crap’.
          Read the true history NCH, a self inflicted injury.

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          richard April 3, 2015 3:03 pm Reply
  • Is this FA’s April Fool’s article?

    I’ve seen funnier.

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    Longshanks April 1, 2015 9:26 am Reply
  • Another hoot headline from the For Argyll.

    The Tories can demand all they want but no body’s listening. They have no mandate in Scotland – and the sooner the democratic deficit of Westminster rule is ended the better.

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    Willie April 1, 2015 11:15 am Reply
    • Willie, I think you should read what you type before posting, but thank you for the laugh.

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      richard April 1, 2015 11:31 am Reply
      • Willie doesn’t think people have the right to ask searching questions of their government.
        I think that his attitude comes under the umbrella of the authoritarianism that seems to be an increasing concern to quite a lot of people in this country.

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        Robert Wakeham April 1, 2015 11:50 am Reply
        • man,no way wood I go on a boys night out with you,ya borin ol fool!!

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          Machmaolain April 1, 2015 2:37 pm Reply
          • Personally if I go fer a drink it’s with other guys….

            not boys…

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            juttle April 3, 2015 3:16 pm
      • willie,take a draw on a big stinkin reafer,then read one of Wee Ricky,s posts.Man,I’ve had tears running down both sets of cheeks!!

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        Machmaolain April 1, 2015 2:20 pm Reply
        • Oh dear.

          I’m that sorry you’re upset….

          🙂

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          juttle April 3, 2015 3:17 pm Reply
          • But both sets of cheeks!

            You should put that on youtube…..

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            juttle April 3, 2015 3:18 pm
  • Searching questions Robert – well that’s a hoot from the Tories.

    Gideon promised to get the UK ship shape but change the “p” for a “t” and most folk have the picture.

    Or what about the “vow” and our place in the Union. Maybe someone wants to ask why the Southern Tories now hate us so much. Their electioneering down south is quite frankly outright racism.

    Like Ulster bigots the Tories are as offensive as they are incompetent and the question I have is whether they will have even one seat in Scotland come May.

    The other question I have is whether David Miliband will vote for a minority Tory government or for a Labour minority government supported by the SNP on a vote by vote arrangement.

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    Willie April 1, 2015 1:31 pm Reply
    • An all-encompassing air of bitterness, Willie, from someone keen on labelling others ‘bitter together’.
      I wonder if you’re an older relative of those new apparatchiks on this blog – ‘Machmaolain’ and ‘Keitho’?

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      Robert Wakeham April 1, 2015 1:50 pm Reply
      • Hay Man,don’t go rockin ma boat this afternoon.
        Am jus chillin!!

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        Machmaolain April 1, 2015 2:22 pm Reply
    • Willie, ‘outright racism’ can you could back up that remark with fact? if you consider what is being said by the SNP leadership with that of all other parties I don’t see much difference.
      Maybe I’m misunderstanding you, are you saying people in the south hate the Scots?
      You use the words bigots, hatred and at the same time offensive, I assume you are referring to yourself.

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      richard April 1, 2015 2:14 pm Reply
      • Ah Ricky man,give it a rest.You would give an Askit a sore head!

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        Machmaolain April 1, 2015 2:23 pm Reply
        • Good, I told you to take your tablets this morning, get your blood pressure checked.

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          richard April 1, 2015 2:31 pm Reply
  • And here’s another question. Just a little tidly one that the Treasury will not answer.

    Is it right that the treasury is now taking £20m annually in VAT off the Police in Scotland and £10m off the Fire service whereas VAT is not paid by Police or Fire in England.

    £20m would pay for about 750 police and 300 firemen – but the treasury can’t answer because there’s an election coming up.

    Just another example of Westminster hostility to Scotland – and no we won’t answer your question Jock!

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    Willie April 1, 2015 1:43 pm Reply
    • Yes – it is right. The SNP knew this would be the case and ploughed on regardless.

      They knew full well that in creating a single force, they would ‘lose’ that money.

      They’ve made their grave with the single force…it’s a disaster.

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      Jamie Black April 1, 2015 2:20 pm Reply
      • How come police service of Northern Ireland don’t pay VAT?
        They are NATIONAL too Jammie man!!

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        Machmaolain April 1, 2015 2:29 pm Reply
        • Here we go again – dumb and dumber.

          You need to go ask your SNP representatives why they forced this thought? They knew about this YEARS ago. They knew about it, and proceeded on that basis, so really, the SNP are looking simply ridiculous. again.

          The truth about the incompetence will sink in, day by day.

          http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/crime-courts/government-told-last-august-about-police-reform-vat-bill.18178344

          Value Added Tax (VAT)
          91. The AGS report notes that previously the eight police forces were able to recover VAT but that from 2013/14 a VAT liability of approximately £22 million will be required to be met each year by Police Scotland and the SPA.87
          92. The Committee heard that part of the funding for police reform of £147 million was to be used to meet the additional VAT costs arising from the creation of a single police service. The Scottish Government had not yet decided whether it would meet the VAT costs of Police Scotland and the SPA from 2015/16.88
          93. The Scottish Government explained that as part of the process of winding up the former police boards, discussions took place with HMRC about the VAT status of single police services. However HM Treasury had ruled that the new single police service would not be exempt from VAT under the Value Added Taxes Act 1994 (the VAT Act) because it would have no power of precept on local taxation.
          94. The Scottish Government did consider options where a single police force could have been established which would have been VAT exempt. However these options were rejected as they would have presented significant practical problems such as being overly burdensome and complex or would not have meet the reform objective of a simplified landscape of a single police service.
          95. The Scottish Government also sought UK Government approval to amend the VAT Act to provide for a similar exemption to that of the police service of Northern Ireland. This however was not viewed as an option by HM Treasury.89
          96. The Committee acknowledges the steps taken by the Scottish Government to try and ensure that the single police service was able to recover VAT and that the Scottish Government has agreed to meet the cost of this liability in the short term.
          97. The Committee notes that the Scottish Government will decide its approach to funding the VAT liability from 2015/16 as part of the next spending review. Until this decision is made the SPA will have to assume that it will require to meet this additional cost every year from 2015/16.

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          Jamie Black April 1, 2015 3:06 pm Reply
          • (difficult to see keyboard now due to smog from Big stinkin reafer,so apologise for any bad language now)
            What about Police Service Of N.Ireland? They are national and don’t pay VAT!!
            You will not be able to answer that one because the treasury couldn’t when I wrote to them about it!!
            Willie is proven correct and that is me “high as a kite as well”
            Imagine me clear of thought-frightnin Eh!!

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            Machmaolain April 1, 2015 3:35 pm
          • You know Mac if someone shoved a red hot poker up yer snitch you’d still want proof it was there.

            Jamie has told you the straight truth.

            You want more?

            Fair enough.

            It was George Laird, former SNP insider who proposed the idea of a national police force to the party conference.

            Here’s George on the Police and VAT – written today.

            You won’t notice any difference between what Jamie says and what George says – except George is very very direct…

            But you won’t read it.

            Will you 🙂 🙂

            Never mind.

            Others might.

            http://glasgowunihumanrights.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/kiss-of-death-unpopular-nicola-sturgeon.html

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            juttle April 4, 2015 5:18 pm
          • BTW – you’re a stoned fascist. 🙂

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            juttle April 4, 2015 5:19 pm
      • Crime at an all time low.
        Police Service Scotland saving in its first year £73 million.
        Good result that any Tory Government would be shouting from the rooftops about. Recognise the fact.

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        keitho April 1, 2015 2:59 pm Reply
        • Crime levels all over the world have been dropping for years and in most if not all countries it is at an all time low. Research has shown that there is a strong correlation with the reduction and withdrawal of leaded petrol and hence reduction of lead in the atmosphere. Whilst this research does not prove the case it seems to offer a probable cause.

          It is unlikely that the low crime levels in Scotland have anything to do with either Police Scotland or the SNP.

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          JimB April 2, 2015 8:58 am Reply
    • Willie, Machmaolain, take note willie got an answer to his question, you may not like it but it’s something you two are incapable of.

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      richard April 1, 2015 2:29 pm Reply
      • Don’t interrupt me when I gonna make ma self another big stinkin reafer.
        I will come back to when I had good blow man.

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        Machmaolain April 1, 2015 2:33 pm Reply
  • ?

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    Robert Wakeham April 1, 2015 1:46 pm Reply
  • Jim McColl has called for Holyrood to have full control over its finances by 2020.

    He’s one of Scotland’s most successful businessmen – is he an idiot?

    BBC story

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    Longshanks April 1, 2015 2:07 pm Reply
    • Jim McColl is a very successful businessman who likes both sides of the fence, only recently announcing that the decision to stay in the union was the right decision, he sits on Ms Sturgeon’s economic committee, like a number of other people who like to be close to the seat of power he lives abroad, Monaco.

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      richard April 1, 2015 2:26 pm Reply
      • Ricky man,yu jis Jelus!!

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        Machmaolain April 1, 2015 2:31 pm Reply
    • Man,Ah don’t even believe the wetha focus any more on dat Chanel !

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      Machmaolain April 1, 2015 2:41 pm Reply
      • Help!! Where did this Rastaman suddenly come from??

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        ClootieDumpling April 1, 2015 3:14 pm Reply
        • A liquid lunch, maybe?

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          Robert Wakeham April 1, 2015 3:22 pm Reply
          • Hay Man,so Yu drink da Ganga .Dat is so stupid man!

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            Machmaolain April 1, 2015 3:40 pm
  • And before Jamie Black says it’s the fault of a) the Scottish Government or b) Nicola Sturgeon or c) Alex Salmond or d) all of the foregoing – can anyone advise if it is right that the London Treasury levies annually £30m VAT on Scotland’s Police and Fire services whilst no VAT is levied on other Police and Fire services elsewhere in the UK.

    And can anyone advise if they consider it right that the London Treasury is refusing to respond to questions about this.

    £30m annually would pay for around 750 policemen and 300 firefighters.

    Distinctly anti Scottish I’d say but no doubt some wag on this blog will declare it’s a London Love Bomb to Jocko.

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    willie April 1, 2015 3:13 pm Reply
    • Answered long ago. Answer accepted by the SNP.

      However HM Treasury had ruled that the new single police service would not be exempt from VAT under the Value Added Taxes Act 1994 (the VAT Act) because it would have no power of precept on local taxation.

      What’s the issue?
      Thank goodness the Treasury doesn’t just make up rules to suit the Scottish Numpties.

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      Jamie Black April 1, 2015 3:16 pm Reply
      • Still not answered ma question,man

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        Machmaolain April 1, 2015 3:42 pm Reply
        • Indeed.

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          Jamie Black April 1, 2015 3:59 pm Reply
          • Jamie, just ignore Machmaolain, they’ve probably been to lunch at boots.

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            richard April 1, 2015 4:07 pm
  • I said I was never going to post stuff on here again but I got ma self a big bell y laugh readin this carabeen stuff.
    You really funny machmulchin,love it.
    They are all nasties and uni,s on this site alright.
    They could do with a spiff!,

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    Janice of the glen April 1, 2015 3:47 pm Reply
  • Engerland’s Polis don’t pay VAT.

    Norn Ireland’s National Police Force doesn’t pay VAT

    Scotland’s National Police Force does pay VAT

    Question – is this fair, is it an attack on poor Jocko. Ask a man in the street what he thinks and I know what he’ll tell you.

    That of course excludes Jamie Dubh who doesn’t think of this as unfair. What a lickspittle individual he is in the denigration of Scotland in praise of his beloved Union.

    Well Jamie – your beloved Union and Unionist Labour Party are I think in a tad of trouble. But fear not, Scottish SNP MP’s will help em onto the right road – due consideration given of course my lad.

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    Willie April 1, 2015 7:30 pm Reply
    • Willie, don’t you understand the answer? The SNP knew this was the position when it was proposed to form a single force, why don’t you ask your local MSP for an answer, just as a parting shot here’s an example of how stupid our MSP’s can be, when reading this remember Mr Swinney was party to this. http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2015/mar/westminster-abandonment-smith-crown-estate
      Be a good little chap and go and think this through, why is it wrong for the crown estates to invest in land or buildings in Scotland in the future? I expect you will say it’s our land and only Scots should own it, fair enough but I don’t see a rush of people, the big yin has sold up, Jim McColl lives in Monaco, very few estates have been sold in the last year but then who owns the prime property in Edinburgh and Glasgow, banks, finance companies?
      Don’t have a sleepless night as I’m sure your mates NCH, Machmaolain etc will help you and there’s always the press office to call if stuck.
      Have a good headache.

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      richard April 1, 2015 8:06 pm Reply
      • I’ve just woken up after a 4 hour endured slumber to find you still trilling away like a wee linty.
        Have you got a life after stupidity?

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        Machmaolain April 1, 2015 8:54 pm Reply
        • Machmaolain, I’m glad your able to get a nice slumber, try smoking less! anyway just to make you happy I’m between flights and was worried about your headache, please pay attention when I advise you that your blood pressure will go up when you read anything I post.
          It’s best to lie down in a dark room and take your tablets, try not to get stressed or over excited, you’ll find the symptoms will recede after an hour or two and life will feel so much better when you reappear a paid up Tory voter!
          Hope I’ve made your day.

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          richard April 1, 2015 9:21 pm Reply
        • Machmaolian, the clocks ticking on how long for the thumbs down, half my fellow passengers have got money on it so don’t let us down.

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          richard April 1, 2015 9:24 pm Reply
          • Go to bed Son,not interested in your infantile argument .
            Night,night,don’t let the Tories bite!

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            Machmaolain April 1, 2015 10:19 pm
    • Willie, having re read your post why don’t we hold a survey with some experts on the subject, a low cost survey of all the guests of Bar-L should give us an idea of how Scots feel about this.

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      richard April 1, 2015 10:04 pm Reply
  • I don’t like to be pejorative but doesn’t our Richard come across as a bit of a twit.

    Just between flights old chap, you know, all betting on stupid Jocko, so be a good little chap and run along now.

    What a diddy – but that would be rude.

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    Willie April 1, 2015 11:31 pm Reply
    • Willie, I see your in a happy mood, your the person who used the word ‘Jocko’ as for stupid well thats your take on the subject, I suggest you spend some time reading peoples replies to your question, Ms Sturgeon tried very half heartedly to make an issue of the subject only to have the facts that they need to cut another £10m, I don’t think the plan is working very well, people are starting to say no!
      Anyway Willie my advice is have a good breakfast cut yourself a large slice of porridge from the draw, don’t forget the salt all will be better afterwards.

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      richard April 2, 2015 7:24 am Reply
      • What people? Name them!!

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        Machmaolain April 2, 2015 8:50 am Reply
        • Machmaolain,Scottish politicians, even ‘Nicola no power’ struggled to say anything supportive yesterday senior police telling the politicians one thing and doing the opposite?
          After your postings yesterday don’t be surprised if you get a tap on the door.

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          richard April 2, 2015 11:41 am Reply
          • Good grief Man,your touchy!
            If somebody comes to my door they will get a good laugh which is more than can be said for the anyone reading your depressing pulp.

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            Machmaolain April 2, 2015 7:48 pm
    • have you taken leave of your senses.The london establishment has been brain washing the scottish nation for 300 years,with the odd bribe or two thrown in for good measure.

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      Machmaolain April 2, 2015 8:50 am Reply
      • “Brainwashing” = the SNP tried that during the referendum.

        Repetition of the mantra “we’re going to win” convinced thousands who truly believed they were going to win. The disbelief when that didn’t happen surely proves that many people had been brainwashed.

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        Lowry April 2, 2015 9:04 am Reply
        • Machmaolain – and many others – seem to very conveniently ignore the fact that the ‘London establishment’ has acquired at least (if not more than) its fair share of embedded Scots over the last three centuries.
          And they also seem to ignore the existence of an ‘Edinburgh establishment’ that’s certainly done its bit for the recently much reviled ‘financial services’ sector of the British economy. And then there’s the charming history of big-time rottenness in the political elite (an inappropriate word, I know) of the city of Glasgow.
          But enough, let Machmaolain rant on.

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          Robert Wakeham April 2, 2015 10:33 am Reply
          • Fettesgate, ‘Magic circle’!

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            richard April 2, 2015 11:59 am
        • I believe it’s called the power of positive thinking. Not much point in campaigning believing you are going to lose.

          After all, in the present campaign Jim Murphy keeps telling us it will all come good for Scottish Labour on the day – which seems a lot less likely than a YES vote did last Summer.

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          Longshanks April 2, 2015 10:44 am Reply
        • we are still winning Lowry,
          the polls are telling us round 2 is nearly in the bag.

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          keitho April 3, 2015 3:44 pm Reply
      • Did a nationalist accuse another of ‘brainwashing’? LOL!

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        Jamie Black April 2, 2015 11:19 am Reply
    • Neo con extremists are at it again!

      Wait a minute aren’t neo cons always extreme.?

      They have watched the ” Ipcress File” with Michael Caine and assume that because people are going to vote SNP in Argyll and across Scotland it must be down to extremists.

      Je suis SNP.

      Oops, don’t need bullets, gun, threats, fear or extremism just a rational argument, put Scotland first, work hard and the Scots will place an X on a piece of paper for the SNP.

      Now we await the neo’s rabid snarling response. Are they the extremists?

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      No Cheese Here April 2, 2015 10:21 am Reply
      • NCH, Go back to bed and sober up!

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        richard April 2, 2015 11:43 am Reply
  • Richard the Neo con …. He cares for nobody no not him for nobody cares for him…… Well apart form his pal black, the bankers, tax avoiders, ukip Tories, right wing labourites and For Argyll!,

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    No Cheese Here April 2, 2015 1:29 pm Reply
  • Rational argument?

    From yesmoonies?

    Lol!

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    Juttle April 2, 2015 1:30 pm Reply
    • I know you’re new here, but I have given you a thumbs down as I cannot work out who your comment is addressing.

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      Murdoch MacKenzie April 2, 2015 1:43 pm Reply
      • Murdoch, where’s that warm Scottish greeting we were discussing last night?

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        richard April 2, 2015 1:51 pm Reply
        • You’re confusing me with someone else, surely?

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          Murdoch MacKenzie April 2, 2015 1:53 pm Reply
          • I do recall someone said bloody minded or words to that effect, anyway I sent this link to NCH to cheer him up, he seems a bit down today.
            Hope you enjoy,
            http://www.buzzfeed.com/hilarywardle/scotland-is-the-worst-aplm#.yewar3r9W

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            richard April 2, 2015 1:56 pm
          • Richard, The words “Bloody minded” came from you and I then re-used them. “Warm Scottish Greeting” also came from one of your posts even if you attributed it to me.
            This was on the Abello rail thread.

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            Murdoch MacKenzie April 2, 2015 2:32 pm
        • Was it get tae?
          Just wondering

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          keitho April 3, 2015 3:47 pm Reply
  • Hi guys,
    Just thought I would give you the heads up!!
    Nicola is speaking at the anty nuck deme at Freedom Quare,Glasgow.thousinds are going!
    My boss has givin me the day of from the hotel so I am going down on the bus.I am meeting up with my Glasgow friend who talk me how to mimic Milipeed.What a blast we will have.After the demo we are going to the daily Redcoat office to give them the Vicky
    Probably end up fractured in the YES bar afterwards .If you fancy it come along.Just shout for Argyll and I’ll come over.
    Anyway got to go now and do some work.Got a bunch of guys in from edinburgh.I think they are naebags.Ill find out when they see my tattoo of sexy salmon on my calf,!LOL
    Janicexxxxx

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    Janice of the glen April 3, 2015 4:18 pm Reply

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