In a party for whom 84,000 members are not enough for candidate selection, will Hosie’s elevation curtail Salmond’s ambitions?

[Updated 15.15 below] Stewart Hosie, SNP MP for Dundee East, is now Deputy Leader of the SNP.

How will this play if, as he clearly intends, Alex Salmond returns, on May 2015, to his conflicted preference of the House of Commons at Westminster?

As Deputy Leader of a party whose rules set the authority of its leadership over the entire party, surely Mr Hosie is expected – and will expect – to lead the party at Westminster?

Yet, as today’s published interview with Newsweek Europe shows, Mr Salmond is, in preemptive mode, assuming that he will be that leader. He talks of what ‘he’ will demand of Ed Miliband in return for possible SNP support after the May 2015 General Election.

He also speaks in that interview in astonishing and untrammelled megalomania, asking the interviewer: ‘‘Is ENGLAND [Ed: our emphasis] going to be safer IN MY HANDS [Ed: our emphasis] or in the hands of this coalition government or of Nigel Farage? Much safer IN MY HANDS [Ed: our emphasis].’

We can only wish Nicola Sturgeon and Stewart Hosie good luck with that.

The other issue for the Westminster group is the likely double demotion of the current Leader of the SNP group of MPs there, the belligerent Angus Robertson, with Mr Hosie now the de iure leader; and with the shade of a restive and demanding Mr Salmond looming large.

In a group of six more or less generally unknown MPs, as has been the SNP situation at Westminster, they can rub along together well enough.

However, with a Deputy Party Leader amongst them and with the possibility of the rumbustious busker, Alex Salmond in their midst, clearly assuming that he will de facto and de iure, automatically lead them, harmony and discipline may be hard to maintain.

The best thing party supporters could do for their party and its new leadership is not to elect Alex Salmond to Westminster, where he will be unable to stop himself being more trouble for his party than for anyone else.

He has had his day. He ought gracefully to accept that.  Of course all demagogues understandably find such acceptance difficult if  not impossible to achieve and Alex Salmond has been the demagogue of his time.

Fortune has smiled upon him with uncommon generosity; but it really is time now to return to the tote and the rub of the greens – and to count himself lucky that he has the opportunity, supported by his five pensions, to allow him to do so.

And non-member candidates coming up on the inside rail

The Westminster scenario sketched above predates the arrival of a group of MPs swollen by a currently unknowable number, through seats gained in the 2015 General Election.

This updated scenario is today made even more problematic by the SNP’s published intent to change the party rules to allow the selection of candidates who are not even party members to stand for election to represent it.

One would have thought that a party membership newly of 84,000 would provide a rich enough variety of candidate to satisfy the most demanding. But no. The SNP want to have the freedom to recruit candidates from beyond their own party and beyond this paid-up membership.

That can only cause ructions in disaffected long standing members with known ambitions to represent the SNP in parliamentary election to Westminster or Holyrood.

It will also cause disaffection amongst a welter of the new membership  who rushed to join the SNP in its despond at losing the independence referendum – and whose support has buoyed the party beyond imagining.

How will those members feel in seeing some who are  not even party members, selected as SNP candidates for election – some for May 2015?

What this is about is that the party hierarchy want to make their own choice of ‘kerb appeal’ candidates, with no limitation whatsoever, even inconvenient rules like the requirement to be a member of the party.

This has already happened at local level.

In the forthcoming Argyll and Bute Council by-election for South Kintyre, the party is to be represented by John Armour, a very likeable and popular local man who directs and performs in a successful local amateur drama club and who is a long-time presenter on the local radio station,  Argyll FM, based in Campbeltown.

Mr Armour  – a long time SNP supporter but not a member of the party until very recently – is authoritatively alleged to have been ‘given the tap’ to stand by local MSP, Michael Russell.

The question remains of what a loyal traditional membership and a massive and engaged new membership over three times the number of the preexisting membership will separately and together feel about being overlooked in favour of a hand picked beauty parade of non-members for strategic seats.This cannot pass without bequeathing enduring grievance. The serpent is already on his way into the thickets of Eden.

Nicola Sturgeon said recently and complacently that she was ‘struggling to see the negative’ in the party’s massive new membership. She may soon find out.

The will to run rampant, free of any restraint from inconvenient regulations, is something Scotland has already seen from the SNP but ought to ready itself to witness and experience much more frequently from now on. They’re only tuning up.

Footnote

A total of 34,934 votes were cast in the SNP’s Deputy leadership election – with a turnout of 55.7%.   This represents some ten thousand more people voting than the SNP had members on referendum day.

In the final vote – after the redistribution of votes from the eliminated Angela Constance – Stewart Hosie got 18,915 votes compared to 15,150 for Keith Brown – which equates to 55.5% to 44.5%.

15.15 update: The SNP Conference has approved the proposed change  to party rules to allow  non-members and overnight members to stand for the party in elections. Game on.

 

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  • The SNP must surely be desperate if they’re allowing non-members to stand for election. If it’s not desperation where’s the logic?

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    Lowry November 14, 2014 2:43 pm Reply
    • I’m sure it’ll be clearer with time, but one thing is for sure- the SNP are toxic and they know it. The one word Salmond should have come up with was ‘Marmite’. He killed their referendum success and also created such division that I doubt many of the 55% will ever vote for the SNP again, but also, by the SNPs own admission, neither will a lot of the 45%.

      Why were the SNP so ashamed of themselves during the referendum? Why did they have to keep reminding people that apparantly a vote Yes was not a vote for the SNP despite the White Paper being an SNP manifesto? Why were there no SNP for Yes signs?

      This is a totally cynical ploy (and maybe clever) to get ANYONE who wants independence to the fore, but without having an SNP tag. They are banking now on people voting in May on one issue – independence. They want voters to vote on seeing ‘independence’ and not having the SNP next to it….

      Time will tell if people will fall for it and put Scotland on hold for years, rather than vote for the party that will just get on with the job and stop blaming others….

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      Jamie Black November 14, 2014 3:14 pm Reply
      • What a load of Tory Tosh you spout Jamie, wake up the Tories are finished in Scotland and they also finished Labour who got into bed with them

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        john in kintyre November 14, 2014 3:51 pm Reply
        • So you say. Time will tell, it wonlt happen just because the SNP will it to happen!

          As i’ve said before, I reckon the SNP are shitting themselves that Labour managed to elect a semi decent leader! Jackie Baillie made a good start, showing Salmond up squarely for 3 weeks in a row as the man who only answered his own questions…

          Out of curiosity tho, why do you think the Tories are ‘finished’ in Scotland? I’d wager that most Tories voted No in the rederendum, and nothing happened that would diminish their vote – actually, the complete contrary. So please share – why are they finished?

          I think you migt be in for a surprise…wee Ruthy has a lot more appeal than you might think….and that counts for a lot. The only problem was that she didn’t change the name.

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          Jamie Black November 14, 2014 4:09 pm Reply
          • Jackie Bailieee!

            Now I know you are a joker!
            Whoever is elected don’t let her carry your bags or your doomed I’ll tell ye ! Dooooomed!

            Ps what is the current membership of
            1. The Labour Party Branch office in Scotland? Ans were no tellin ye.,its a big secret and weeeer reelly reelllly embarrassed.
            2. Tories? Ans We do not have to respond as we are wealthy and you should know your place.
            3. lib Dems? Ans Who cares?

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            No Cheese Here November 14, 2014 4:46 pm
          • Thought the Scottish Branch Office leadership contest was still on Jamie, Baillie is only a stand in this comedy turn of who stabs who in the back, or are you referring to Ed Moribund, a dead man walking if there ever was one.
            The Tory Party is haemorrhaging to UKIP no surprises there.

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            john in kintyre November 14, 2014 5:40 pm
          • I can tell when i’m on the money in the eyes of the SN fanatics by the reaction -the most personal insults tend to be directed at those that present the biggest threat to the SNP. It’s rather a comedy to read the reactions from the usual suspects.

            Still no answer as to what has happened that means the Tories ‘are finished’ in Scotland….! I think everyone knows Jackie Baillie did a sterling job and could have held her own. Her time will come.

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            Jamie Black November 14, 2014 9:55 pm
          • There’s an Irish description for the phenomenon you identify. ‘If you throw a stone into a pack of dogs, it’s the one you hit that howls.’

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            newsroom November 14, 2014 11:53 pm
    • Hi Lowry — are you standing for ukip keep the Johnny Foreigner out?

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      No Cheese Here November 14, 2014 4:48 pm Reply
      • Seems to be the Unionists that howl the most Newsie and boy do you take the dog’s biscuit when it comes to degenerating Alex Salmond and all things SNP….just saying

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        john in kintyre November 15, 2014 1:41 pm Reply
        • ‘Denigrating’, perchance? (not that I agree, jik).

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          Robert Wakeham November 15, 2014 4:50 pm Reply
  • I think it’ll play out just fine newsroom. Fabulous in fact.

    Stuart Hosie is a skilled operator, so are the current others, and so is the Rt Hon Alex Salmond.

    With a team like that at the helm, I think the prospect of a phalanx of SNP MPs will be causing a bit of discomfort for the the current Westminster elite – the Scottish Labour ones excepted because they’ll not be there post may 2015.

    Fabulous, I can see a terrible price to be paid for Scottish patronage on all manner of matters.

    Holding their feet to the fire was it someone said.

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    Willie November 14, 2014 3:38 pm Reply
    • I believe it’s the SNP’s feet that will be held to the fire during the next 18 months. Where are they going to find all the money to pay for their policies? They already have powers yet have been too afraid to use them. Or perhaps they simply couldn’t work out how to without losing votes?

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      Lowry November 14, 2014 5:47 pm Reply
  • New blog
    Fear Argyll
    SNP unified machine marches on
    Marvellous

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    Hunchy the brave heart sniper November 14, 2014 6:29 pm Reply
    • Unified machine with candidates that aren’t party members? That doesn’t look good in fact it looks a bit desperate. Come on, Dick Walsh, get your application in.

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      Keith stanger November 14, 2014 6:49 pm Reply
  • It’s going to be hilarious on this forum if after the May elections the SNP go in to a Westminster coalition with Labour. The SNP part of the Westminster ‘establishment’, all led and controlled by Alex Salmond, priceless.

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    John M November 14, 2014 7:43 pm Reply
  • Maybe the SNP are hoping to tap into the Labour pool of discontents who fear owning up to being a member of the SNP

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    Spock November 14, 2014 7:45 pm Reply
  • Desperate Newsie did you mistake the vinegar bottle for the gin ?

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    John Semple November 14, 2014 8:31 pm Reply
  • newsroom says:
    November 14, 2014 at 11:53 pm
    There’s an Irish description for the phenomenon you identify. ‘If you throw a stone into a pack of dogs, it’s the one you hit that howls.’

    Like or Dislike: 0 1

    Racist comment if ever there was one.
    How you hate the Scottish people
    For Argyll hits the gutter again.

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    No Cheese Here November 15, 2014 12:22 am Reply
    • That’s probably gone over your head NCH. Worth asking a responsible adult what it means…

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      Jamie Black November 15, 2014 4:59 pm Reply
      • You’re assuming that NCH has a head?

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        Robert Wakeham November 15, 2014 7:03 pm Reply
        • Roberto
          Are you a labourite or a closet lib dem but to scared to admit it. As with your pals above you cannot believe that the snp is on the rise and Milliband Cameron are on the way down.
          See Murphy has gone all quiet must be making deals with Baillie the king maker or has he realised what a poisoned chalice labour in Scotland is.

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          No Cheese Here November 15, 2014 7:58 pm Reply
          • Most recently I’ve voted SNP and Lib Dem.
            I don’t recognise voting in local authority elections as voting for a party, I must admit to voting for a person rather than a party in both Westminster and Holyrood elections – and in the referendum I voted for a principle.

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            Robert Wakeham November 16, 2014 10:39 am
  • How can the Tories , Labour or Libdums hope to win anything when their followers especially the ones on this blog their have heads so firmly stuck up their jackasses.

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    agnes moffat November 15, 2014 5:38 pm Reply
    • I guess it’s the same way with you and yours.

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      Lowry November 15, 2014 6:51 pm Reply
  • To get back to the topic – does this mean that people who have been expelled from the SNP, ie local councillors here in A&B, are able to stand again? And, with the support of the SNP?

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    Simon November 15, 2014 8:03 pm Reply
    • That clearly seems to be the case. First it was NATO and now it is membership rules. What does the SNP stand for – does anyone know?

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      Lowry November 15, 2014 8:11 pm Reply
      • Don’t forget the handbrake turn on coalitions at Westminster…Surgeon says one thing, Salmond says another…I wonder what they’ll choose! lol

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        Jamie Black November 15, 2014 8:33 pm Reply
        • Whatever it is they’ll change their minds to suit the circumstances later on.

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          Lowry November 15, 2014 8:40 pm Reply
        • C’mon Jamie

          Some warm cocoa and milk. Bed time for you.

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          No Cheese Here November 16, 2014 11:38 pm Reply
      • Lowry ask the 80000 +

        Remind me what is the Tory / ukip membership in Scotland

        Can’t say? Won’t say?

        How’s the Vow doing?

        Will you lie to Scotland?
        Of course you will?

        Labour Tory libs all on the back foot.

        Great fun!

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        No Cheese Here November 15, 2014 10:17 pm Reply
        • Why do die hard nationalists like nch justify the actions of their party by using the Tories as a yardstick, as if that somehow validates their stance?

          Alex Salmond proclaimed that if 1million people signed the independence declaration, Scotland would be an independent country. Was that a lie? Alx Salmond claimed that he had legal advice on the EU – but didn’t. Was that a lie?

          I could go on….

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          Jamie Black November 16, 2014 8:15 am Reply
          • Latest SNP lie exposed in the Scotland on Sunday today Tom Petertkin writes:

            “…the chhildcare pledge she [Sturgeon] reaffirmed yesterday was the same one contained in the Scottish Government’s White Paper.

            Before the referendum, the SNP rhetoric was that only independence could deliver the White Paper’s ‘transformational’ childcare package.

            After the referendum, it would appear that independence is not required after all to deliver on something that has always been withinthe power of the Scottish Parliament.”

            I wonder what our friends Agnes Moffat et al
            have to say on the matter.

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            Lowry November 16, 2014 3:46 pm
  • If a prospective parliamentary candidate stands under the SNP umbrella, without being an SNP member, what policies do they stand for? Will they be standing for an independent Scotland but with policies different to those of the SNP?

    If they get elected can they claim to be “honourable”?

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    Lowry November 15, 2014 8:47 pm Reply
  • The label they will stand under
    YES/SNP
    and only where they would probably have a chance to beat the unionists candidates.

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    agnes moffat November 15, 2014 9:54 pm Reply
    • So, can we assume:-
      They all have no policies, only stand for independence?
      If they have policies, they do not have to be the same policies as the SNP?
      They cannot claim to be be honourable?

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      Lowry November 15, 2014 9:58 pm Reply
      • Lowry
        When did Tories ukip become honourable. Is it a public school thing?

        To get rid of nuclear weapons we need independence. Next time ?

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        No Cheese Here November 16, 2014 11:35 pm Reply
  • SNP traitors Breslin, Blair, McCuish, MacIntyre and Devon can now stand for SNP in Westminster elections.

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    NoCheeseHere November 16, 2014 2:42 pm Reply
    • NCH above is the usual liar who comes and accuses all.

      You must be Cllr Robb of Helensburgh? After all you complained about most snp members and I have been told that’s why Cllr Breslin left, apparently Ron made numerous complaint s over Cllr McIntyre (Bute ) , Blair, Strong and others. Some left some fought on. The Oban mob were place people supposedly to support Russell. How that backfired!

      NCH Pops up now and again to complain. On the other hand maybe they are a wee independent councillor clinging onto their responsibility payment and worried that true snp supporters are reorganising and have learned there lesson.
      Is there a By election looming?

      Agnes watch out for NCH imposter.

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      No Cheese Here November 16, 2014 11:28 pm Reply
  • the SNP decision to allow candidates who are not SNP members is of course headline grabbing of that there is no doubt.
    Women for independence, business for independence, radical independence among other groups who emerged during the referendum campaign have produced great ideas, influence and people during this YES campaign. The inspiration to many has been the continual growth in SNP and GREEN party membership. The referendum result is seen by many as a victory for lies, deceipt, threats, a hostile media and downright fear mongering by people who should be ashamed of their contribution to the campaigning. The energy within the YES movement is powerful and ongoing with polls indicating that if the referendum was rerun the Yes camp would emerge with the victory.
    Jeanne Freeman, women for independence, Kat Boyd, radical independence and Ivan McKee, business for independence are three of many who shone and would be great candidates for a move to unseat as many unionist MPs as possible.
    Round one of the referendum may be finished, The bell to start round two is being organised.

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    agnes moffat November 16, 2014 5:10 pm Reply
    • Marvellous
      Agnes , yet again a beacon of light in the dark murky depths of FA

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      Hunchy the brave heart sniper November 16, 2014 5:32 pm Reply
    • Great thing opinion polls!

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      James Walsh November 16, 2014 5:53 pm Reply
    • Any chance of them having any policies ? Or are they all unstable loud women not in the flush of youth – like you. It’s you who doesn’t give a damn about anyone else. It’s you that is devoted to the the me -me -me policy which you accuse everyone else of. There are so many real questions- even just today – been raised on ForArgyll you would have expected a knowledgeable SNP member should have answers for – but NO. You will do your usual sarcastic, empty headed impression of someone of little intelligence or breeding.

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      Malcolm Kirk November 16, 2014 5:56 pm Reply
      • There is a logical well written article by Jim Murphy in the Sunday Times, it is worth reading.
        He is brutaly frank and speaking the kind of language a lot of ordinary people want to hear.

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        richard November 16, 2014 6:05 pm Reply
  • Just watched – or at least tried to watch some videos of Aggie’s proposed candidates – Freeman was scary – a robot – someone for whom nobody else could be right but her – who refused to accept reality except her own bent version. Cat Boyd – barely out of nappies – being led by the nose literally, as she actually had a ring through hers. Couldn’t watch any more of Ivan McKee after he said with great confidence ” everybody knows there will definitely be a Sterling Union. God save us from these people – please !

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    Malcolm Kirk November 16, 2014 6:21 pm Reply
    • Clearly they fit in well with the SNP mentality.

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      Lowry November 16, 2014 6:25 pm Reply
  • From the Scotsman comments today :- How come if the Nats are supposed to have 85000 members,only 34,000 voted in the deputy leadership election.This apparently is 55% of those entitled to vote. I know Nut arithmetic is dodgy, but this equates to a voting membership of about 64000. So can anyone explain why 21000 can’t vote, are their name on gravestones ? Are they still in primary school and too young to vote, or like so much else the Nuts say, is this 85000 membership pure unadulterated rubbish ?

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    Malcolm Kirk November 16, 2014 7:24 pm Reply
    • Numpty

      There was a date cut off point which excludes the voting. Could you not work that out for yourself?

      Didn’t realise anyone read the Hootsmon anymore.

      Less readers than the snp membership

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      No Cheese Here November 16, 2014 11:30 pm Reply
  • to MALCOLM} KIRK
    Are you really are off your trolley .? I really have got to you, keep it up, and the heart attack is getting closer.
    Or on the other hand allow yourself to reflect on your bombastic nonsense and nastiness.
    You obviously do not enjoy being held to account and can’t handle it very well. I reckon you have probably always had the facility through upbringing to see very little good in people you can’t use.
    Well welcome to the big world of adults who will not be bullied and can see right through your “I am a big shot facade”. Time to grow up, reflect, show some respect to the people you have taken for granted. So many people you think you have made an impression on have probably had a good giggle behind your back.
    You have accused me of not giving a damn, that would be easy. You see I do give a damn, even for you. Something to do with my upbringing, my socialism and my faith.

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    agnes moffat November 16, 2014 8:41 pm Reply
    • Privileged arrogant and unable to respect other people’s views, not only does that sum you up AM but the SNP as well, 55% of the voters in Scotland voted No,respect the it decision, Salmond and Sturgeon signed the Edinburgh Agreement, Sturgeon was involved in drafting that agreement, neither of them respect it’s terms.The three political leaders in Westminster made a vow, the timetable is being met much to the SNP’s horror.
      You and your ilk are making Scotland an abrasive unpleasant country, (the heart attack is getting closer) and think you can bully anyone who dares to speak up against your views, it will be good to see Salmond go back to Westminster, he’ll be about as welcome as a whole at a tea party, he’s made his bed and can lie in it.

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      richard November 16, 2014 10:19 pm Reply
      • Rickets

        Tell me from the position of the three electronic signatories what they meant by the “vow”?

        Come on I need a laugh from numpty No’s who agreed to something they didn’t want and will therefor MUST break.

        The Vow means…….

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        No Cheese Here November 16, 2014 11:33 pm Reply
        • ‘the vow’. I’ve still not met anyone that changed their vote based on this. In fact, all the No voters I know thought it was a farce and voted no regardless….the difference being, the No voters I know looked at the big picture any made up their own mind. Few were even interested in what BT had tp say. And they STILL got 55%. Imagine they’d actually had some decent people running thei campaign?!

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          Jamie Black November 17, 2014 6:37 am Reply
  • I would be delighted if others followed Malcolm Kirk’s exercise in looking up these people on google
    Jeanne Freeman was chief political advisor to first minister Jack McConnell
    Dr.Cat Boyd comes from a new young generation of radical thinkers.
    Ivan McKee is from the enterprise side of life who has made good while displaying a real grip of the values of his employees, their families and their ambitions.
    Come on Lowry tell us who to look up from the other side of the argument

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    agnes moffat November 16, 2014 9:03 pm Reply
  • Any candidate to stand under the YES/SNP ticket would have to be acceptable to the Constituency Members This would give an opportunity to exclude those who NCH has mentioned

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    agnes moffat November 16, 2014 10:02 pm Reply
    • I think you mean the SNP constituency members. Would any of them ‘give a damn’ about policies or would they only be interested in whether or not the candidate supports independence?

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      Lowry November 16, 2014 10:09 pm Reply
      • Lowry, both the issue of Scotland’s independence and policies and how they affect those who reside here are undoubtedly inextricably linked.

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        JnrTick November 16, 2014 11:04 pm Reply
    • NCH
      Is an imposter ex bitter councillor or party hack working for liebour/Tory group

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      No Cheese Here November 16, 2014 11:34 pm Reply
  • Once again Lowry misses the point and Richard rants.
    I am neither privileged or arrogant but I am allowed my opinion.
    I am new to the blog and I don’t fit into their right wing agenda. I suppose I am expected to play to their rules. So much of what they say is nonsensical non joined up drivel, it is so difficult to take anything they post as having any credibility.
    The blog is entitled FOR ARGYLL but there is almost nothing about Argyll on it. Why?
    It seems to me it has been for a long long time just a facility for certain people to slag of the SNP and anything to do with government. It presents itself as Newroom when blogs are blogs not mainstream media. Basically just pretentious rubbish facilitating right wing zealots who are obviously bored and boring.
    Let the fun begin. Let the long time bored have their toy blog

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    agnes moffat November 16, 2014 10:44 pm Reply
  • “Fortune has smiled upon him with uncommon generosity; but it really is time now to return to the tote and the rub of the greens – and to count himself lucky that he has the opportunity, supported by his five pensions, to allow him to do so.”
    Alex Salmond could choose to, like the vast majority of wealthy politicians, not donate 1/3 of his salary, he could choose to, like many other gravy trainers, lord it up in the house with the socialists Reid, McConnell, Foulkes et al at £300 big ones a day. He could also choose to hold onto the many valuables given to him as gifts whilst First Minister instead of sending them off to McTears auction house to be sold for a Kenyan charity, but clearly, financial gain is not his primary motive.
    Maybe you should direct your misplaced slurs and accusations regarding boot filling at the many who conned you and I as tax payers in fiddling their expenses. Were any SNP MSPs involved in this scandal btw?

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    JnrTick November 16, 2014 10:46 pm Reply
    • Alex Salmond could choose to not claim for chocolate bars on expenses or stay in 5 star hotels.

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      Lowry November 16, 2014 11:51 pm Reply
      • That’s a big ask.

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        Robert Wakeham November 17, 2014 12:23 am Reply
      • Oh Lowry try and grow up.
        provide some debate.

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        No Cheese Here November 17, 2014 1:20 pm Reply
  • Delighted to see Stuart Hosie as deputy FM, best from the three candidates with his experience, he comes across as authoritative logical and concise and has a great product knowledge.
    A very talented persuasive politician is Mr Hosie and was my tip a few years back to take the reins. Comforting to see such a wealth of talent within this party, the dream team of Nicola Sturgeon and Stuart at the top spells trouble for the foreseeable future for SNP’s main opposition – N.British Labour. The huge membership though will demand from this party, especially the impatient amongst us, rapid return to another referendum so interesting to see how First Minister & deputy steer the ship.

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    JnrTick November 16, 2014 10:58 pm Reply
    • Is there some confusion here JT? Is Stuart Hosie not deputy leader of the SNP rather than deputy First Minister?

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      keith stanger November 16, 2014 11:20 pm Reply
  • Cheers Keith, amended.

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    JnrTick November 16, 2014 11:39 pm Reply
    • Do you understand the difference JT?

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      Lowry November 16, 2014 11:53 pm Reply
  • Agnes has gone on holidays, yeah

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    agnes moffat November 17, 2014 8:54 am Reply
    • “They’ve come to take her away Ha Ha
      To the happy home with trees and flowers and
      chirping birds and basket cases who sit and smile
      and twiddle their thumbs and toes.
      They’ve come to take her away Ha Ha Ha”

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      Malcolm Kirk November 17, 2014 10:10 am Reply
    • Born with a silver spoon in the mouth!

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      richard November 17, 2014 10:49 am Reply
  • Rickets and Malky are like the weakly school bullies ganging up on someone who is more intelligent and can easily deal with them by argument in place of their silly ” they have come to …”

    Calm down boys and let’s hope your voices break soon and you know what descend safely. Lol
    Now onto politics. Will Jackie Baillie be forced to support Murphy in the Labour Candidacy race as he is the only one proposing to be leader who supports the wastefully expensive nuclear weapons which can never be used? Is the potential that Labour RUK will be more akin to the Tories that labour Scotland will have to go its own way and stop being a branch office.
    Will Scottish Labour have to fight for their Independence?

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    No Cheese Here November 17, 2014 1:09 pm Reply
  • Just heard Councillor George Freeman telling the potential Labour leaders they would be better joining the SNP than staying with the Labour Party!

    Thanks George that’s what many Labour supporters are discovering!

    George are you really a Tory?

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    No Cheese Here November 17, 2014 1:23 pm Reply
    • Well Cllr Freeman just realised are you joining party with Jackie Baillie and Walsh.

      Who needs nuclear weapons you will destroy the place all on your own.

      Interesting that you kept going on about Helensburgh and Argyll and Bute. Personally I never think of Helensburgh been anything other than a commuting town to Glasgow.

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      No Cheese Here November 17, 2014 1:42 pm Reply

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