Sturgeon declares for leadership as YouGov says only 25-39 year olds showed majority for ‘Yes’

Deputy First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, dominated Glasgow’s Buchanan Street as she conducted a Press Conference earlier today,  announcing that she is a candidate to lead the SNP and to lead Scotland as its first woman First Minister.

She made her declaration speaking from inside the window in a reception area of the Royal Concert Hall, overlooking the hub of the city that deserted its Labour affiliations to vote for an independent Scotland and one of whose  constituencies she represents.

Mr Sturgeon will not have been blind to the nuance of her chosen location for the announcement – also dominating the statue in the street below of Labour’s Donald Dewar, Scotland’s first First Minister, one of those who imagined that devolution would shoot the SNP’s fox – now one of the historic unintended consequences of Tony Blair’s political myopia.

Dressed in red, Ms Sturgeon warned that ‘it had better be’ an honourable new devolution settlement from ‘Westminister’ of ‘they would pay a heavy political price’.

Having begun by saying that she accepted the result of the referendum, although refusing to rule out another shot at independence, she said that if ‘Westminster’ played it straight in the added powers to be devolved, they would find her ‘a wiling partner’.

Chief Treasury Secretary, Danny Alexander, looking a little ruffled, appeared on camera shortly afterwards to reiterate the unequivocal commitment of the United Kingdom to delivering on scedule – and that is not actually in doubt.

The way the generations voted

This morning, YouGov removed any foundation for the current First Minister, Alex Salmond’s attempt to ignite a socially destructive intergenerational warfare by describing voters over 55 years of age as ‘an obstruction to the young’ in their desire for Scottish independence.

YouGov’s analysis has shown that, with 55.3% of the overll vote opting for ‘No’;  and the 65+ group voting strongest for a ‘No’, neverthess:

  • 51% of 16-24 year olds voted ‘No’;
  • 53% of 40-54 year olds voted ‘No’;
  • 51% of Scots-born voters said ‘No’;
  • 20% of SNP supporters voted ‘No’.
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  • Nothing like selective reporting, is there? Immediately after the voting, these were the figures:
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/20/scottish-independence-lord-ashcroft-poll

    Based on these figures, only the 18-24s and over 55s voted no, everyone else voted Yes.

    My suspicion, though, is that in both cases there were not sufficiently many participants to read anything into margins of <5% for any of the subgroups.

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    Arethosemyfeet September 24, 2014 6:55 pm Reply
    • Arethosemysmellyfeet, who cares a toss. The Yes campaign was well beaten and that is all that matters.

      At least they will not now be able to give reward the wealthy by reducing Corporation Tax. Their new members, who now outnumber their original membership will force them to rethink this policy and many of their other policies that benefit the Tartan Tories. I am told by SNP members that many of them are very worried what the impact on many of the local branches will be as the new members will outnumber the original members. This could cause a great deal of friction.

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      Sceptic1 September 24, 2014 11:28 pm Reply
      • Who cares? Newsroom, apparently, which is why they devoted time and effort to writing about “socially destructive intergenerational warfare”(!) as if we didn’t already know that reactionary tendencies are more prevalent among the elderly and idealistic (even if potentially unrealistic) ones are more prevalent among the young.

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        Arethosemyfeet September 25, 2014 6:38 am Reply
  • A lot more Scottish voters would have voted No if they had been told by Salmond and Swinney prior to the vote that an independent Scotland would have lost the current VAT opt outs negotiated by the UK Government from the EU.

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    Treble T September 24, 2014 8:53 pm Reply
    • I’m surprised that the Better Together brigade didn’t point this out.

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      Robert Wakeham September 24, 2014 9:26 pm Reply
      • I thought they had. At any rate it was widely noted in most responsible media. I doubt S & S were in a hurry to point it out, or many other inconvenient facts.

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        Dugald Barr September 25, 2014 7:29 am Reply
    • It was widely touted in the propaganda sheets but written off by the less gullible as another wild scare story.
      http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value-added_tax#EU_countries

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      Chuck September 25, 2014 8:19 am Reply
  • Sigh.
    Unless someone’s been messing with the Secret Ballot under which we all cast our vote, and winkled us all out individually by age and vote (not so, I trust), then all those percentages of voters cited, based on whatever age-group etc., are aggregated on the basis of some “poll” (YouGov or whoever) that asked about 900 people how they voted. (Nobody asked me. Did anybody ask you?)
    Let’s forget about fiddling with the “statistics” and concentrate on the final votes cast – by whomever they were cast – it doesn’t matter. The result was what it was. End of.
    What Alex, Nicola and the rest seemingly can’t get to grips with is that they threw all their gambling chips on the final fold of one card.
    That card lost.
    And they no longer have any gambling chips left to play with.
    So Nicola cannot stand up and say “it had better be” or Westminster would “pay a heavy political price”, because we’re now in the position of having to negotiate our future in a mature and measured way.
    No amount of jumping up and down and shouting the odds will achieve a result.
    The SNP seem to have turned themselves into a child demanding sweeties from its Westminster parent:
    Child: I want sweeties, and I want them now, or else!
    Parent: Or else what?
    Child: Or I’ll have a tantrum!!!!!
    Parent: OK. On you go!
    Unfortunate, but true, it seems.

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    ClootieDumpling September 24, 2014 9:51 pm Reply
    • Alas, that’s “about the size of it.”

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      Andrew Argyle September 24, 2014 10:23 pm Reply
  • Caviar for Sturgeon now Salmond has been reeled in!

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    Andrew Argyle September 24, 2014 10:15 pm Reply
  • To lighten the mood a wee bit

    How many NO voters does it take to change a light bulb?
    None, they don’t like change, even if it makes Scotland a bit brighter.

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    JnrTick September 24, 2014 10:29 pm Reply
    • But brighter bulbs tend to cost more to run…..

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      awsnews September 24, 2014 11:17 pm Reply
      • Not if they’re those really expensive new LED lamps that nearly bankrupt you but (have faith) save you money in the long run. So they say.

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        Robert Wakeham September 25, 2014 9:24 am Reply
    • JnrTick, how many Yes voters does it take to gain independence for Scotland? Too many as far as the SNP are concerned.

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      Sceptic1 September 24, 2014 11:33 pm Reply
    • The point is they dont think it will make it brighter. better a good quality tried and tested make of bulb that will have longevity therefore a more sound choice. This will ensure no dark days ahead.

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      phill September 25, 2014 7:37 am Reply
    • Thought that was quite funny you lot.
      Sense of humour bypass?

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      JnrTick September 25, 2014 10:25 am Reply
      • Maybe it’s just that they don’t like change for change’s sake, or – to put it another way – better the united devil that you think you know rather than the nationalist devil that you suspect you don’t know.

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        Robert Wakeham September 25, 2014 1:11 pm Reply
      • Jnr ick, did you not think the post regarding mikey rustler’s bum transplant rejecting him, was funny, it was, and was very appropriate! I used the word “bum” for PC reasons if you get my drift.

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        Sokay September 26, 2014 1:55 pm Reply
    • how many yesmen? three, one to hold the bulb, one to turn the ladder and one to get another bulb, without realising no. two was rotating the wrong way! just about sums it up.

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      Sokay September 26, 2014 1:47 pm Reply
  • It’s interesting to see that the SNP are only capable of producing one person they think fit or is actually capable of replacing Salmond.

    Doubtless there will be some token candidates, but only one serious front runner? Proof that the talent pool is virtually non existant maybe?

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    Jamie Black September 26, 2014 4:51 pm Reply
    • Said it all there Jamie about the talent pool, what about the rest in Hollyrood who are your stars? Name one in Labour, Conservatives and Lib-Dems. Just saying

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      John in kintyre September 26, 2014 6:55 pm Reply
  • I see all the SNP MP’s have just voted against/ abstained on Iraq intervention… 524 for….43 against.
    So much for representation in Westminster….all towed their “party line”…

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/26/iraq-war-debate-mps-vote-bomb-isis_n_5888530.html

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    Karl Hughes September 26, 2014 5:22 pm Reply
    • Hells bells more than the SNP, what about the rest? Think this new war will keep you in a job , so stop mumping

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      John in kintyre September 26, 2014 6:57 pm Reply
      • Keep me in a job….?

        The point I am making is that Scotland had no representation in Westminster…again…Scotland had no representation…from our government…the SNP

        What on earth has my comment got to do with my position in Iraq ? what on earth has coalition intervention got to do with my position in Iraq

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        Karl Hughes September 26, 2014 7:23 pm Reply
        • Karl, just ignore him, he gets rattled easily.
          I find it embarrassing that the SNP MP’s went against the Government, I listened to part of a programme on BBC Scotland with a panel including Swinney and Jenny Marra.
          The subject was IS and the UK debate in Westminster, she said she backed action by the UK and gave a logical set of reasons, Swinney had to agree with what she said and added some points, it seems we dont have a Government just a bunch of overpaid spineless fools.
          I sincerely hope the barbaric scene in Woolwich never happens in Scotland but I am sure the SNP would be the first to scream if it did.
          There are no boundaries as far as IS are concerned hence so many countries becoming involved.

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          richard September 26, 2014 8:11 pm Reply
          • I concur on all points…Richard…

            I actually find J from K and the listeria ridden “young” NHC troll.. quite amusing…their ignorance is well countered by public opinion and national feeling here in bonnie Basrah.

            I does not suprise me the SNP abstained or whatever…but it does anoy me that yet again the could not be arsed to turn up and express the views of the elected Scottish Government on yet another issue that directly affects Scottish people.

            Anyhow…I was passed this two days ago by an Iraqi man of some merit…

            http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/09/the-barbarians-within-our-gates-111116.html

            It makes a very interesting read.

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            Karl Hughes September 26, 2014 8:32 pm
        • Karl, that’s a very interesting article and it certainly covers many of the issues and causes.
          From my own travels I believe you can add poverty, ignorance,religion and a segment of society who are needing to be part of a ’cause’
          Add to this social media, IS have mastered the art of propaganda via twitter, Facebook and the dark Web. There are no simple answers to this but I do know sitting on ones arse doing nothing is not an option.
          I was very impressed by the supplement in the Telegraph Business section this week on Iraq especially Southern Iraq, hope you saw it.

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          richard September 26, 2014 9:09 pm Reply
    • On BBC R4 it sounded more like a promotional event for George Galloway. Doing his usual rabble-rousing act in the guise of warnings not to offend the Muslim world, which is by and large already offended by the hijacking of their religion by a gang of criminals, malcontents and disaffected youth turned cut-throats, serial killers, thieves, rapists, child-killers and gangsters’ molls.

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      Robert Wakeham September 26, 2014 7:05 pm Reply
  • I take the SNP must vote they way you think.

    Thank goodness they see the mess once again RUK is getting Scottish forces involved in.

    Your country needs you Karl and Robert– go and sign on rather than expect others to fight for you.

    Personally the Arab countries and the wider Muslim world should deal with this fanaticism.

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    No Cheese Here September 26, 2014 7:53 pm Reply
    • NCH(GB), Scotland does not have forces as you put it. All the forces based in Scotland are UK forces.

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      Sceptic1 September 26, 2014 8:44 pm Reply
    • NCH, which of the middle eastern countries have been backing IS? Who are they selling oil to? What message has the SNP and Scotland sent to these people.
      Today I listened to a Solicitor in Edinburgh shouting that the Prime Minister should be telling the Pakistan Government to release his client, why not the 1st Minister?
      You talk about RUK involving Scottish forces, have I missed something ? We voted No, we are part of the UK and these are British Forces.

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      richard September 26, 2014 8:49 pm Reply
    • NCH – taking my name in vain (again), and talking rubbish (again).

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      Robert Wakeham September 27, 2014 1:30 am Reply
    • NCH, ‘Sign on’ is this a slip of the tongue or are you telling us something?

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      richard September 27, 2014 8:16 am Reply
      • I think you will find that NHC is just a youngster…14 ? 15 at most…silence speaks volumes.

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        Karl Hughes September 27, 2014 9:41 am Reply
      • Rickets “sign on” colloquialism for joining the forces. Hope that clarifies but you knew that anyway.,if you didn’t your even thicker than I thought.

        All of you brave lads and ladettes are happy for others to do your fighting while sitting happy safely is Essex, Oban, Tiree.

        How brave you all are.

        Of course, If it becomes safe certain ones will jump into the breach as it were to earn the US $ all at others expense.

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        No Cheese Here September 27, 2014 4:03 pm Reply
        • You mean “Sign up” kidda… you should, it will make a man of you, then again maybe not 🙂 yep you stick to “sign-on” and we will foot the bill…

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          Karl Hughes September 27, 2014 4:32 pm Reply
    • NCH: What “Scottish forces”? There aren’t any. Haven’t you yet accepted the result of the referendum which means that there is still a *British* army, navy and airforce? The alternative, had there been a ‘yes’ majority, was just yet another of the large number of aspirations of Salmond and the rest of the SNP of what *might* have been, but certainly hadn’t been properly worked out and costed. By the way, it is well remembered that your ex-dear leader called the Nato intervention in Kosovo, which saved thousands of lives, “unpardonable folly”, one of his larger misjudgements, among many, and demonstrating his total lack of knowledge of foreign affairs.

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      Alex McKay September 27, 2014 6:40 pm Reply
  • Our representatives at Westminster. I note that Mr Wishart tweeted ‘this is a foolhardy plan to satisfy media opinion’
    Of course he didn’t vote against action in the middle east, he acted as a teller! one of his constituents is the 17 year old daughter of David Haynes who was beheaded.
    Perhaps all the Scottish MP’s and MSP’s should be issued with a broad yellow stripe to wear on their backs.

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    richard September 27, 2014 11:55 am Reply
    • Yeah! And you should be forced to wear a dunce’s hat. It’s not about anyone being beheaded, it’s about making another Libya out of Syria and thus stealing its and Gaza’s oil and gas in the Levantine basin.

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      Murdoch MacKenzie September 27, 2014 1:12 pm Reply
      • Murdoch, go and study the oil and gas reserves of countries like Iran and Iraq, why do you think Saudia don’t want them in OPEC? Who do you think IS have been selling oil to?
        IS want Jihadists to commit barbaric crimes on their own doorsteps, Woolwich is once too often as far as I’m concerned.
        Scotland can bury it’s head in the sand and pretend it’s not happening but it won’t go away!

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        richard September 27, 2014 2:04 pm Reply
        • It seems that the Woolwich atrocity might no longer be unique, with the recent beheading of the lady in her London garden, and the news that two days ago a sacked factory worker in Oklahoma – who’d been trying to convert fellow workers to Islam – went back into the factory and beheaded the first woman he met.

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          Robert Wakeham September 27, 2014 2:47 pm Reply
          • Cause and effect.

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            Karl Hughes September 27, 2014 3:05 pm
        • Guys it’s about controlling or at least containing and stalling barbaric cult…nothing to do with oil this time around…

          I personally fail to see how any end to this can come about without “boots on the Ground”… given that the area of Iraq ( not talking about Syria because that’s another complex interwoven issue)… the coalition is looking at a long term solution…a couple of year down the line they may have driven Daesh back into Syria…and confine the majority of the scum in this one area.

          For now as George Galloway rightly said…we have 20 or so thousand Daesh mixing within a population that’s still there of around 7 million…the boots on the ground must be a coalition of Kurds, Iraqi Tribes and Iraqi Military ( the Iraqi Military in the north are generally, or were generally Sunni conscripts on about $15 a day… The roots of Deash are Sunni (their ethos is something else, none Islamic) The Iraqi military are at the moment a non-entity…

          The populations are so punch drunk in the areas they either run or comply…

          The coalition air forces are stalling, breaking down transport lines of supply etcetera, of Daesh…giving the Iraqi military time to regroup/retrain…giving the Kurdish Peshmerga time to regroup and re-arm… there also has to be a huge hearts and minds campaign…and only Islamic scolars and power brokers can do this…
          Bombing Daesh will have little long term effect…they hide in built up areas, amongst the population and we “hopefully” want to keep civilian casualties and death to a minimum… therefore we bomb them in the open/on the roads… (ref: Hamas and human shields) … The miniscule amount of oil they are selling is going to Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran… it buys favors and arms…

          We have a “Unity” government in Iraq now…how good this turn out to be only time will tell…but without unity this is going to decend into a hellish scenario…

          As for home, the UK… we are a target… we were before this and will be after this… our civil liberties will suffer because of this real threat.

          Murdock please read this article… its total “sense” and shows you exactly how the middle east has ended up in the state it is…yes we played a part…but we are not the cause, we simply accelerated the chaos…

          The Barbarians Within Our Gates…
          http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/09/the-barbarians-within-our-gates-111116.html

          Is it a wise decision to fight this plague in Iraq and Syria ? in my opinion yes, but only to keep them stalled there rather than busy elsewhere… its a total mess…and hopefully stop the genocide that is taking place on a daily/hourly basis… 17 coffins lined up at the airport in Basrah this morning, all shia who went north to protect Bagdad from Daesh and have been returned….thats over 70 in the last week…just here…and just the airport.

          I think the long term outcome will be the break up of many of the middle eastern countries back into their original tribal areas/religious areas (Sunni , Shiite)…Iraq being the first to go…if a Unity government fails. Kurdistan is its own country…it is fighting to protect itself and Iraq (weird eh?)

          If we had all voted NO in yesterdays ballot we would have simply have been putting of intervention to later date… we can’t sit Nero like and watch the middle east burn… Iraq is just the blue touch paper… if the middle east burns we all suffer, globally…and thats where the oil comes in…at a much later date.

          http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/09/air-strikes-syria-long-uncertai-201492462044683657.html

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          Karl Hughes September 27, 2014 3:04 pm Reply
          • If you can access it try Vice News, Ghosts of Aleppo.

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            richard September 27, 2014 3:47 pm
          • Two good, thoughtful pieces Karl – but the future looks bleak, for quite a long time.

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            Robert Wakeham September 27, 2014 6:16 pm
  • Will do…cheers… outta here now… another month done.
    Emirates beckons.

    Catch U later.

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    Karl Hughes September 27, 2014 4:27 pm Reply

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