The independence campaign: personal gains and loss

The independence referendum phenomenon has:

  • located me comfortably in something from which I have been estranged all my life;
  • taken something from me that has been a formative presence in my life for almost as long as I can remember;
  • aligned me positively with something I have previously resisted.

The first of these is – unionism.

I have discovered that I am ‘a unionist’ and have come to a belated understanding of what, at heart, ‘unionism’ is – as I have not been politically free to do before. And I am liberated into unionism, perhaps the greatest surprise of the lot.

Anyone who is Irish will understand that surprise. Everyone else may simply accept that this has been a transformational new perspective.

Take all of the awkward political baggage away from ‘unionism’ and its essential nature is there: a bonding, a strength, a sharing, teamship, openness, inclusiveness, difference, creative tension, adjustment, tolerance…

I have come to understand that I am by nature and political philosophy – this unionist.

Conversely, I  have come to understand how narrow, how excluding, how claustrophobic, how chauvinist, how ungenerous is nationalism. I know and warm to many nationalists who are not like this at all; and I have no doubt that many others are the same. Like everyone, though, I have seen mass fundamental nationalism set to work in this campaign and it has been terrifying in its brute tribalism.

The second change – the loss, the thing that has been taken from me is – ‘Scotland’.

It’s very name now belongs to others, annexed to the nationalist, separatist cause. They have taken ownership of it, stolen it in broad daylight from everyone else who was entitled to have it and to use it.

They have also stuck it on to everything that moves and much that doesn’t in a leadenly repetitive partisan political branding, a menacing football chant that belongs to some, not to others – and not to me.

It’s oddly hard now, to know what to call a country I know well from having poked about in a great deal of it for so much of my life.

And yet I turned to the country itself at the worst of the alienation of this bitter campaign. I drove it. Photographed it. Breathed it in. Opened to it. Tried to recover what its name once meant to me and somehow reattach it – like the shadow Wendy sewed back on to the heels of Peter Pan. I’m not there yet but I have to try.

And the new alignment? That is to the European Union.

The EU’s indefensibly undemocratic structure, grandiloquent titles [everyone seems to be ‘President’], centralist bureaucracy and asymmetric eurozone have always been hard to accept as having any worth.

But discovering the ugliness of raw nationalism and the inclusiveness of the core meaning of unionism has brought awareness that the challenge is to reform the European Union and the home union, the United Kingdom, from the inside; not to walk away from either of them.

The concept of union is constructive and the fact that it includes and does not seek to exclude is cohesive and tolerant. It’s about ‘Come in’ and not ‘You don’t  belong’.

The fact that any union may be ill-managed or mismanaged at any given time does not mean that that union is unserviceable or that the concept is inadequate. It means it needs dry docking and an agreed refit programme for an updated function.

Nationalism is sectarian, fuelled by opposition and divisively triumphalist. Witnessing this campaign has taught me that these characteristics are too easily summoned and mobilised in support of political ends. This could not be more dangerous.

I do not see how, once these attitudes and feelings have been stoked and loosed as they have been, they can be brought back under restraint – and who would try? I am afraid – not frightened – afraid of where they will go now.

I had voluntarily invested myself in Scotland and had hope in it. It has disappointed me. That is a felt loss. Yet the searing of this referendum has shown me who I am, a unionist, a federal unionist. I could never have imagined that the defensive and thuggish ‘unionism’ I lived alongside for so long might have masked something essentially large in spirit into which one could be liberated.

When all the evidence is weighed as it must be, the last question is not political, it is philosophical: nationalist or unionist?

And here I am, a unionist at the end of it all – and freely voting ‘Please, No’.

Lynda Henderson, Editor and News Director

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        Andrew Argyle September 14, 2014 9:48 pm Reply
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      Andrew Argyle September 14, 2014 9:38 pm Reply
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      Arthur Blue September 16, 2014 9:06 pm Reply
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        Karl Hughes September 16, 2014 9:31 pm Reply
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        richard September 16, 2014 9:35 pm Reply
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          Robert Wakeham September 16, 2014 9:56 pm Reply
  • Whatever the outcome Lynda…the loss will remain…something is tainted…I have to be home to ground this thought…I feel like sombody I do not know has been in my house while I was out…nothing materially damaged…nothing physically changed…but I have to go home to know if these thoughts are true.
    I have watched from afar for the last two weeks the goings on…my No vote already cast…my thoughts echo your eliquent heart felt words…
    I will remain in Scotland until I die, my family are there, I love my family. My heart is with my family…but I am not sure of what else I will feel ?
    I drive south to see my parents and family in England, my heart sinks a little as I see the welcome to England sign and leave my home country….always used to anyhow… On the trip up north back from Birmingham as a family as we crossed the border at Gretna…there is the huge WELCOME TO SCOTLAND SIGN, I sigh with relief pap the horn and soak in being home…always used to…hope I still do.
    I live on Tiree its my home. Its where I want to see out my family growing up, its where I am happy to die…
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    Karl Hughes September 14, 2014 8:16 pm Reply
    • That’s an unforgettable image, Karl. Exactly what it feels like just now.

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      newsroom September 14, 2014 8:39 pm Reply
    • “somebody came in my home while I was away and wiped their muddy boots on my ‘ Welcome’ rug.”
      Your description of a movement, one fuelled by disillusionment of the failings of a political system you defend, one serving too few, disregards and more important, disrespects what now looks like 50% of the electorate of this country is unfair. Italians, Iraqs, Indian, Israelis, Polish, muslims, Protestants, people of all denominations and yes Scots too are in increasing numbers, choosing to steer clear of a path they see fit for nothing more than outright reform, only these very people know fine and well this reform will never arise without a larger population’s consent.
      You see, this is what hangs a huge question mark, one with flashing red bulbs over the nasty nationalism smear that we see and hear more frequently during these times, that being the very obvious diversity of this movement, it’s all inclusive. I see this every day through welcoming comments online from YES supporters to those pondering escaping what they tire of down south. On the whole, the vast vast majority of YES supporters I encounter NO supporters too of course, direct the very best of intentions toward all affected by the outcome of this debate, that is until I scroll through the comments section of some online right wing papers.
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      JnrTick September 15, 2014 2:19 am Reply
      • “Italians, Iraqs, Indian, Israelis, Polish, muslims, Protestants,” and catholics ???
        Get real Jnr tick…these are all Scots…why do you have to label everything, is it because you need order in the chaos… nationalism is the measels of mankind…

        There will be a NO vote and the ” dirty boots analogy will stand”

        Nearly half of Scotland will be dearly disapointed at the outcome of the referendum…if they had of been the NO voters there would have been decorum in defeat…lets sit back and watch the chaos start when the side disapointed is the YES campaign…the undecided will not be intimidated by verbal or the physical thugs of nationalism

        But for people who stayed true to the values of unity and not disunity damage has been done…
        Remember the silent Jnr…which way will they vote YOU do not know…

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        Karl Hughes September 15, 2014 5:24 am Reply
        • “Remember the silent Jnr…which way will they vote YOU do not know…”
          Talk of 97% register to vote, talk of 80% plus voting, a big block of people who didn’t even have a voice have registered to vote, many for the first time in their adult life. They are not going to stay silent for much longer.

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          John Sinclair September 15, 2014 10:39 am Reply
          • So will they say yes or no… makes no real difference now because change is guarenteed throughout the UK… vote Yes we are on our own during this change…vote No, we support each other through the change…thats what people do…now stop your nonsense and go and get some votes for your cause…you need them.

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            Karl Hughes September 15, 2014 10:43 am
          • “now stop your nonsense”
            Strange, the Yes movement has driven that change you are talking about, without it the ruling hands of Westminster would still have a firm grip round all our throats, we are prising them away to let us all breath clearly once again. Some people are so selfish, just me,me,me.

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            John Sinclair September 15, 2014 11:04 am
        • Karl, I listened to a very upset woman who passionately loves Scotland ask how did we end up with a destroyed society, split families etc and as shut it a referendum we didn’t want.
          The interesting and logical answer was basically people were too lazy to take any interest in the last election, a very low turn out put the SNP in power with a legal mandate to hold a referendum.
          Sad to say the least, the Union destroyed because of laziness.
          On the subject of our society, It appears that Scotland is quietly on route to legalising drugs, the white paper hardly touches on the subject and it would appear the door has been left open for this to happen.
          Scotland is already known as the drugs and murder capital of Europe, I wonder who Mr Salmond will be inviting?

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          richard September 15, 2014 10:59 am Reply
          • The drugs and murder capital of Europe? Add to that lowest life expectancy, 4th most unequal in the world, oh where to stop! And yet we are told we are ‘Better Together’, you too being one of turning a blind eye and advising us to vote NO.

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            JnrTick September 15, 2014 12:02 pm
        • @MrHughes
          Not my words, not my labels, their very own. So yes, I will ‘get real’, Polish for independence, Italians for independence …. Have you visited these groups links online?

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          JnrTick September 15, 2014 11:59 am Reply
        • Remember this post of yours.
          I look forward to a YES vote not for the coming months afterwards but for the foreseeable future. What I am deeply concerned about are those threatening ‘they will none have it’ from the NO campaign should YES be victorious.

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          JnrTick September 15, 2014 12:08 pm Reply
          • JnrT, you should be on the Jeremy Vine phone in!

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            richard September 15, 2014 12:20 pm
    • If you truly felt this was your home you wouldn’t need to put so much effort into convincing others, and probably yourself Karl. You will never, ever, feel the pride that we do, Born and Bred Scottish!!!

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      jim September 15, 2014 12:49 pm Reply
      • Get back in your box.

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        John M September 15, 2014 1:14 pm Reply
      • Which is exactly the sort of attitude Scotland could do without, regardless of Thursday’s outcome.

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        Integrity? September 15, 2014 1:16 pm Reply
        • Well I’m sorry chaps but I believe it to be true.

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          jim September 15, 2014 1:40 pm Reply
          • Jim, I think you might be mistaking nationalism for pride.

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            Robert Wakeham September 15, 2014 2:53 pm
          • Aren’t people born in Scotland allowed to be patriotic Robert?
            Btw I heard A&B has banned all saltires from all council buildings, only region to have done so. No flags of this nation to be flown, couldn’t make this up, very poor.

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            JnrTick September 17, 2014 10:08 am
      • Jim, there are millions who would love to be British and there are millions who are proud to be British, obviously your not!
        I sincerely hope you never need help when abroad.

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        richard September 15, 2014 3:17 pm Reply
        • Rather bitter comments chaps. I am British, but before that I am Scottish. Not too difficult to understand.

          As for help abroad, it always gives us Scots great pride when asked if we are English when locals hear us speaking English, when we say no, we are Scottish it always lights up their faces and we get an even bigger hello or welcome. That Is FACT!!!!

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          jim September 15, 2014 4:01 pm Reply
      • “Pride before a fall”

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        Thistle September 21, 2014 9:47 pm Reply
  • I resent the nationalists using the Saltire as if it was theirs . The Saltire is Scotland’s flag it does not belong to one group of society .

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    Islay for ever September 14, 2014 8:22 pm Reply
  • My top ten ,in no particular order, of politicians who have made a terrific contribution to the NO campaign from a Campbeltown perspective .
    Alasdair Darling
    Jim Murphy
    George Galloway
    George Lyon
    Alan Reid
    Alasdair Redman
    Mary Galbraith
    Rory Colville
    David Cameron
    Brian Wilson

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    Islay for ever September 14, 2014 8:32 pm Reply
    • What no George Osborne or dav….. ed Milliband
      Ok fair enough!

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      No Cheese Here September 14, 2014 8:43 pm Reply
    • I’d like to hear more from Brian Wilson in the next few days – someone of real substance, not devious, not opportunistic, not manipulative, not a tub-thumper – someone who talks straight, and talks sense (and I don’t care what party he’s in).

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      Robert Wakeham September 14, 2014 9:46 pm Reply
    • Some big hitters in that list.

      I think the yes campaign would have been better employing Jimmie Krankie and Begbie from Trainspotting as the real face of independence supporters.

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      Simon September 16, 2014 11:34 pm Reply
      • not forgetting rab c., mary doll’s done her bit as a yes supporter for “no”

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        Sokay September 17, 2014 10:16 am Reply
  • The struggle in the ‘UK’ is between the disenfrachised and poor who are via their taxes and cut backs in services are subsidising the rich such as the bankers in the City of London in the new UK economic model known as ‘Socialism for the rich’. The answer is for those with common ground in Glasgow, Dundee,liverpool, Newcastle etc to unite to challenge this injustice. Instead the inward looking and navel gazing like ‘No Cheese Here’ are playing the bankers game by helping the ruling elite in their divide and conquer strategy by turning a social justice issue into a narrow minded seperatist cause. Unbelievable!!!

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    Jim Clark September 14, 2014 8:35 pm Reply
    • And in the case of a NO vote we have to use the referendum, heartfelt discontent and redirect it at the politicians and in unity say enough is enough…we want change… you work for us… not we work for you.

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      Karl Hughes September 14, 2014 8:44 pm Reply
      • Oh dearie me — YOU work, work, work your a… off for THEM. Or don’t you buy ANYTHING and shirk ALL taxes?!

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        Thistle September 21, 2014 9:53 pm Reply
    • Navel gazing

      That’s what New Labour and certain trades unions have being doing for far too long. When real labour returns with real values for the disenfranchised, the poor , the weak give us a call. They forgot they were to serve the people.

      If YES wins and I hope they do the navel gazing rests with the once mighty Labour Party – No More

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      No Cheese Here September 14, 2014 9:02 pm Reply
    • There have been decades, governments of differing hues to address what is decaying within our political system Jim.
      How much longer should those of us who baulk at what we witness continue to hope change might come along for? The fact is if we were to continue waiting on Westminster politics delivering something we can be proud of we’d be just as despondent in twenty years time.

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      JnrTick September 15, 2014 1:41 am Reply
      • The ‘waiting on Westminster’ is clearly over, and anyone proclaiming that it isn’t is just as clearly trying to panic the undecided into voting ‘yes’.

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        Robert Wakeham September 15, 2014 7:14 am Reply
  • A lovely piece of writing Lynda which i can identify with completely. I also feel we have been cut off from our country in a way by the nationalist pied pipers many of whom have not considered the real implications. I
    hopeand pray that the silent tongue and attentive ear wins the day over boistrous and loud actions of the SNP led attempted destuction of a good , but not perfect bond that is the UK. I am fiercly Scottish and see myself Scottish dbefore British and my countrys flag and meaning will not be hijacked.

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    phill September 14, 2014 9:05 pm Reply
    • Phil, the saltire has not been hijacked. It is there for the unionist Scottish patriots too.
      Throughout Argyll, I’ve seen few union jacks, the flag those who are voting NO are desperate to preserve, I’m at a loss as to why, it’s not as if we’ve had these vile ‘cybernats’ randomly torch union jacks, instead just the faux fear claimed by papers such as the Daily Mail, fear arising from the threat of rabid ‘Bravehearts’. Maybe the media’s massively disproportionate over-exaggeration of the conduct of the few supporting the YES campaign has been just enough to prevent folks opposing independence from feeling free to show their colours, I’ve no idea. If this is the case then why after many acts of vandalism of property and signage inflicted on YES supporters does this not deter supporters of independence from showing the colours of the country they reside albeit some decorated with a YES?

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      JnrTick September 15, 2014 1:35 am Reply
      • ‘Vile cybernats’? Who could they be?

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        Dugald Barr September 16, 2014 12:44 am Reply
  • Great article, written from the heart.

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    Andrew Argyle September 14, 2014 9:29 pm Reply
  • What a lovely article. I am terrified of any party that has the word nationalist in the title. Scotland is a separate country with a unique identity but sharing in the family of the Uk. In this time of world wide troubles we should all be working together. Long live Scotland as part of the UK.

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    English linda September 14, 2014 10:21 pm Reply
    • Linda, can I just correct you on what some might view as a minor detail but I view it as very significant.
      The SNP stands for Scottish National Party.

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      JnrTick September 15, 2014 1:11 am Reply
    • Also, can you steer me in the direction to where I can recognise a time when there wasn’t “world wide troubles”

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      JnrTick September 15, 2014 1:13 am Reply
  • There always be an Engerland

    As Long as Scotland fights!

    No more sweetie pies.

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    No Cheese Here September 14, 2014 11:44 pm Reply
  • Dear And here I am, a unionist at the end of it all – and freely voting ‘Please, No’.
    Lynda Henderson, Editor and News Director
    You come from Northern Ireland with your twisted view of British Nationalism and impose it on Scots by your writings and bias.
    Thankfully We are heading in a different direction from your fellow country men’s perception of unionism with the drums and their prejudices.
    Bye bye.

    http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-opinion/9742-an-orange-morning-in-edinburgh

    Ps I take it you supported the parade?

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    No Cheese Here September 14, 2014 11:51 pm Reply
    • Careful, NCH, you’re showing your racism – again.

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      Robert Wakeham September 15, 2014 12:18 am Reply
      • Its a democracy ? time to wait for the 19th… if its a NO we have to work together to change politics within the Union…and will have to do our best to consol the broken hearted nationalists…and free medical care will be available for the likes of NHC etcetera.

        If its a YES… at least we know who was to blame for the woes to come.

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        Karl Hughes September 15, 2014 5:32 am Reply
  • You lot just do not get it, we only get one vote each, did I read right 97% registered to vote, probably over 80% plus turn out. Get ready with the red thumbs, click on link first, slag us, laugh at us, try and get witty slap down replies, we don’t care, change has already started and deep down by reading some of your posts you know it.
    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152399446322677&set=vb.571427676&type=2&theater

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    John Sinclair September 14, 2014 11:56 pm Reply
    • Are you quite sure that you know who ‘us’ is, JS?

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      Robert Wakeham September 15, 2014 12:20 am Reply
  • Fair enough Newsie, unionism is for you but it would be remiss of you not to recognise that the great many of us who are opting for an independent Scotland do so for reasons other than for nationalistic reasons, I’ve met and talked to many, their beef is with what’s broken and with those possessing the tools to do lacking the will to both recognise nor address it.
    I do not recognise the ugliness within our campaign and to be honest believe your observations to be an unfair assessment of what at least I have encountered to date. Yes there are some who are exposed in situations such as this one, but come on over and see it from our position, as a journalist this must surely shed light on what drives independence what is really turning more from the unappealing Westminster rule.
    I have over the weekend just watched an incredible piece of footage, almost unbelievable unless witnessed, another ‘journalist’ except he was recorded at a question and answer sesh with the First Minister, a BBC journalist Mr Nick Robinson at work. Have you seen it? http://wingsoverscotland.com/out-in-the-open/
    Have a look and ask yourself why people here in Scotland smell a rat, then ask yourself what might be driving what most onlookers will admit as YES momentum rather than imo crudely pinning it on what others may term patriotism.
    This is extraordinarily poor, it confirmed what many had hoped was just paranoia in this climate.
    None of us warm to bullies, so watching this footage, listening to big business, finance companies supermarkets and so on traipsing over democracy with their size 11 tacketies, relentless shock and awe from our traditional news sources, it is turning many off the rest of NO/BT message.
    This referendum appears to have now morphed into an anti-establishment protest.
    I for a while now believe there will be more winners than losers long term regardless of result.

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    JnrTick September 15, 2014 1:08 am Reply
    • I’ve just watched your ‘Wings over Scotland’ clips (having also just listened to the BBC R4 Today comments on the previously quoted positive attitudes of some Scottish business leaders to the prospect of independence).
      Your Mr Salmond’s a bit of a slippery character, isn’t he, JT – and Nick Robinson really is a journalist, of considerable standing, and in no need of the inverted commas from you.
      Salmond was asked some awkward questions, delivered a smooth but questionable reply rubbishing the BBC and then ensured that Nick Robinson didn’t have the opportunity of substantiating his questions.
      That’s the way to do it, isn’t it, JT?

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      Robert Wakeham September 15, 2014 7:36 am Reply
      • Sorry Robert, what is it about the glaring point that bypasses you? Can’t you see what was done in front of our very eyes. Robinson claimed live on BBC that “Salmond did not answer the question”. Alex Salmond may not have given him the answer he wanted but a full extended reply was given. The BBC were happy to pass this before broadcasting.
        This is about as serious as it gets, caught red handed.

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        JnrTick September 15, 2014 11:56 am Reply
      • Robinson lied in full camera mode and the Biased corporation permitted his lie to be broadcast. No editor overseeing what he was doing.
        First time I have heard journalists clapping a politician against one of their own.

        That’s how low the BBC is viewed.

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        No Cheese Here September 15, 2014 6:51 pm Reply
    • I saw the full international press conference broadcast live and regardless of whether this was Salmond or a FM or PM of any political hue, Robinson’s behaviour was unacceptable, no more than yobbish heckling. As Iain MacWhirter points out, Robinson would never in his life have been so disrespectful to Cameron in a similar forum. So what’s his motive? I’m less inclined to see him being actively complicit in a conspiracy than his being just a very daft wee man, talented, but silly. He has form, heckling Westminster ministers as they enter Downing Street and so on, “minister, when will you stop beating your wife?” sort of stuff. Odious little creep he is, actually. It’s a pity he tries to combine standup and playing to the gallery with the serious role he is actually very capable of performing if only he could control himself. Robinson has to decide whether he’s in show-business or serious journalism. Unlike Andrew Neil, he’s not up to being able to glide between the two.

      No one seriously expects him to be sacked though. Disrespect from Robinson is being countered with mass disrespect, that’s all.

      But none of the above means that I don’t believe the BBC as an institution has moved into its full establishment propaganda mode last seen in the leadup to the Iraq war.

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      Chuck September 15, 2014 8:09 am Reply
      • If journalists can’t challenge a smooth operator like Salmond, who can?

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        Robert Wakeham September 15, 2014 8:20 am Reply
        • They can, and they do. The point is that there were many more journalists from all over the world queueing up to question Salmond, and Robinson, having had his question answered, tried to hog the show. Try that performance with Cameron. Salmond’s mistake was to allow him more bites at the cherry as a reward for his being rude. Maybe Salmond’s even smoother than you think and he knew Robinson would make a fool of himself given enough scope.

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          Chuck September 15, 2014 8:26 am Reply
          • The FM gave Robinson just enough rope.

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            JnrTick September 15, 2014 11:47 am
        • The Scottish people will challenge Mr Salmond, come YES or NO his ball’s will be hanging off the Wallace Memorial within 2 years…

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          Karl Hughes September 15, 2014 8:51 am Reply
          • You seem very certain but right now, or a month ago maybe it was, in the last poll I saw of leader performance ratings by Yougov or Ipsos (can’t remember) he had +5% which put him away ahead of the other party leaders and deputies both at Holyrood and Westminster who were all well into the negative band, apart from Sturgeon who was highest of all at +15%.

            There’s a finite level of probability you could be right but I think it’s nearer to the likelihood of us all being wiped out by Ebola or hit by an asteroid than being a certainty, not that I would totally discount either of those.

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            Chuck September 15, 2014 10:25 am
          • Karl

            You have been getting more agressive as time goes on. To long in Iraq I think.

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            No Cheese Here September 15, 2014 6:48 pm
          • And who will instigate this rather painful analogy of due retribution ? In the unlikely event of separation; the Scottish people once they realise they have been lied to. One would presume Mr Salmond is already confident that he has secured more powers for Scotland, and Unity will remain. Mr Salmond may be judged by history not the man who lost independence, but actually the Scot who rightly forced federalism on the United kingdom, actually saved the Union from itself, no mean feat. I therefore surmise that Mr Salmonds testical’s will remain and he will keep his quite good singing voice and not return to his days of treble boy soprano. I also have to say Karl is wrong on the later of his two points.

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            1707 September 15, 2014 8:06 pm
      • Seems CNN, FOX, ITN, Al Jazeera etc are also expecting with bated breath, answers to the valid questions all rightminded people are asking…unfortunately most have now passed out due to a lack of air.
        Salmond does not know the answers…face it…he has opened a can of worms and lost the lid…and the “nationalists are seemingly willing to put money on a wildcard bet…” not my words…CNN’s words.

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        Karl Hughes September 15, 2014 8:49 am Reply
  • Alex Salmond did not want the Scottish people to know about the situation of the banks,i.e. those that are having to consider moving offices to England for security.

    He wants such information kept secret from the people of Scotland. Such evidence, along with that previously exposed, suggests to me that independence, under the SNP, will not lead to a democracy.

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    Lowry September 15, 2014 7:45 am Reply
    • Lowry its almost a clear cut decision;Alex Salmond’s sums are being questioned by experts and professional think tanks who forecast a ‘YES’ vote as a financial recipe for disaster for the Scottish people….
      Whilst Independence may be a laudable goal for the Scottish people there are simply too many questions which have not been addressed or answered…satisfactorily by any of the politicians involved in this debate…

      The Scottish people have a clear choice on Thursday, they can vote for Independence and take a gamble that the Scottish economy doesn’t suffer an exodus of banks, pension funds, and other professionals who will move south to ensure their futures rather than gamble on the unknown..
      take a gamble that the much blustered political change will come to Holyrood, take a gamble with the future of our children.

      A YES vote will involve a minimum of eighteen months of negotiation’s with a rest of UK government who will almost certainly play hardball…and drag things out.. and leave us considerably worse off than we are now…and governed by a non-elected European UNION…that has no coffers left.

      Or the Scottish people can hold onto the momentum generated in Scotland (rUK) by this debate, stand side by side with people of the rest of the union who have supported each other through thick and thin…
      change the lives of 60million people via Unity and electorate guarenteed federalism…unity guarenteed change in governance…

      Uncertainty for my children or certainty for my children…its a simple question….I am happy I voted NO… sense will prevail as time will show.

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      Karl Hughes September 15, 2014 8:05 am Reply
      • The problem, as I see it, is that the SNP are trying to withold important information preventing people from making an informed decision. This is clearly demonstrated by AS complaining about an apparent “leak” of information that has obviously made some people rethink how they will vote.

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        Lowry September 15, 2014 10:50 am Reply
      • Your possibly misplaced confidence might give some of your fellow NO voters a morale boost but for the poll of polls gathering all recent polls results, averaging, then showing a two point difference (well within margin of error) careful, leaving you exposed for potential ridicule from those with bragging rights should YES prevail. I will say, a victory either way should NOT open door to gloating, rubbing salt into raw wounds.
        Magnanimous in defeat and respectful in victory I hope. Yes, pick over the carcass of this referendum, debate rights and wrongs, the future but a time to move onwards and upwards.

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        JnrTick September 15, 2014 11:13 am Reply
        • I concur… there are going to be a lot of eggy faces on the 19th…

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          Karl Hughes September 15, 2014 11:50 am Reply
    • Lowry, had it not been for the fact that we are living in times where we can access news, facts, statistics, counter arguments via social media and online in general this referendum would have been almost completely monopolised by all things NO. Now that would have been truly undemocratic surely?

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      JnrTick September 15, 2014 11:45 am Reply
      • Had that been the case…and believe me I wish it was LOL…out here at hells door I wouldn’t have known what the hoot was going on other than from the BBC world service (don’t go there ok) until I had got home and found the cat with his arse painted blue and white…(whatever his loyalties)

        Unless something monumental happens like the
        resurrection of the Bruce or Clement Attlee…I’m taking a break…
        And on that note a well-known quote from Attlee “When we are returned to power we want to put in the statute book an act which will make our people citizens of the world before they are citizens of this country.”

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        Karl Hughes September 15, 2014 12:07 pm Reply
  • Robert more than once you proclaim your English refer to English regions in the same breath as the nation of Scotland unwilling it would appear of the difference. You then accuse some Scots on this post of bring racist – Whatever argument you may have is lost at that point.

    Things have changed for ever. If a No vote occurs it will not be acceptable for the Westminster promises not to be delivered. FM Salmond has won whatever happens for if devo max not to be delivered will spell the end of the Union

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    anglophile September 15, 2014 8:00 am Reply
    • Get it right, ‘anglophile’ – I say that English regions have the same concerns about control from Westminster that Scotland does, and I only accuse one blogger of being racist – ‘No Cheese Here’.
      If there’s a No vote I’m sure that ‘devo max’ will be delivered – and with growing pressure from the English regions I think there’s a good chance that the UK will be reformed in a federal system, sooner rather than later.

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      Robert Wakeham September 15, 2014 8:27 am Reply
    • A wee poem…

      Independence ? (H2O)

      This referendum drinks the electorate like water…

      The Nationalists take the oxygen and develop the heart felt brawn…

      The Unionists take the hydrogen and develop the mind…

      The politicians, bankers and big business have taken the lot and let the water find its own level…

      🙂

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      Karl Hughes September 15, 2014 8:29 am Reply
  • For John Sinclair – comments under Comment 1 above.
    The visceral love of place expressed in ‘Caledonia’ is something we ALL share.
    The territorial taking exclusive possession of it by one half of this now divided country and the active attempt to dispossess the other half from feeling that it also speaks to them and for them [to me and for me] is proof of what I personally most fear.
    ‘Should I become a stranger’? Half of the population is being made strangers now.
    As an Irish person who made a conscious decision to come and live in Scotland, familiar with the songs of emigrants that are part of the tonality of every culture with a diaspora, I have always heard ‘Caledonia’ as a song in that vein.
    It never felt as if it was a song of division, a song that excluded me from those feelings and from this expression of them.
    And if it has become that, I can’t accept that Dougie Maclean would effectively license ‘Caledonia’ as a musical guillotine separating ‘them’ from ‘us’.
    Lynda

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    newsroom September 15, 2014 8:35 am Reply
    • Quite.

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      Andrew Argyle September 15, 2014 8:47 am Reply
    • Once you have spoken you lose all control over them. Like Malcolm the drive of your post is about money and control “license ‘Caledonia”. This song is being sung through out our nation for hope to break the shackles which Westminster have us in. Open your heart to those which the Westminster system abuses, form when they turn on you, who will be left to help you. I have changed and “I lost the friends that needed losing / found others on the way.”. I am voting with my heart, I can not lose that, the love for others is more powerful than the greed of money which has been darking many hearts here.

      https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=708401549227221

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      John Sinclair September 15, 2014 9:33 am Reply
      • John…if indeed you have chosen to vote with your heart and not your head…take heed.
        A rather odd statement by Sturgeon this morning…something she has not said before…maybe a slip, or maybe a realisation that fedralism is now the only option…and the nats want in…it was the prefered choice even over devo max…and the nats know the rest of the uk will get it…with all the spin offs of staying in a FEDRAL union.
        “Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has also urged every single potential voter to have their say on Thursday.
        She said: “This is a once in a lifetime opportunity. If in your heart and your head you want Scotland to be an independent country, then vote Yes because you may not get the chance again.”
        If in your heart and head ??? vote yes ???…. this equates to if either is lacking in your decision you must and should vote NO…
        In my heart (and without logic) I would have loved to live in an independent Scotland…but in my head the Union is the best option for my kids future… I voted NO…at least Sturgeon sees the logic.

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        Karl Hughes September 15, 2014 9:39 am Reply
        • Thousand or probably millions of words have been spoken on this journey. I can only speak about my journey with the Yes Movement, emotions are running high, there has been a amazing collective feelings, you can feel the ups. I do feel darkness here on this site. Is it because its a mirror which reflects the truth to me. Hows that one for you Karl, you have changed big time too, what happens if the other person has the heart clear of that darkness. We are now approaching a time where I think you to have been, its only you surrounded with that feeling. Each time you are there you must leave a bit of you to get back.

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          John Sinclair September 15, 2014 9:55 am Reply
          • Absolute bunkum LOL… I have changed …jeeze, are you judging me ? are you seeking some form of emotional attatchment to a poster on a blog that you do not know…? I will state this quite simply… I am not a part of any movement !!! I am an individual…I do not need to pin my colors to any movement….it simply happens I support NO as a personal choice…as does at least half of the population, of Scotland and the massive majority of normal people throughout the Union….
            I am still the same as I was before this began…Scotland has changed…
            with the amount of death I have witnessed, the poverty I have witnessed, the hurt, racism, inequality I have witnessed in some of the darkest places on earth…what is going on in Scotland. right here, right now…is petty.
            It only affects me directly NOW. because it affects my children, nothing else, nothing more….on an international, global stage nationalism splits… its an exercise in flag waving, if you think Scotland in the 21st century is suppressed…get on a plane to West Africa…I will pay the fare….we are spolit here, even the poor would be lords in 70% of the world…doesn’t make it right, but its a fact…get over it…stop your judgemental tosh, stop your compartmentalising of people, its a spin off of the euphoria you have of been part of something bigger than you, more emotional attachment….read history….end of story.

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            Karl Hughes September 15, 2014 10:36 am
          • Got to go, enjoy working abroad and using Scotland as a hotel and play thing when you pop back. We want change, we want a good future for the generations to come. We will put a stop to the export trade of the youth because there’s no hope left in their home nation. This is due to the greed of Westminster. Change is here, the yes movement has driven it, there is a society here we need each other we are on that road.

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            John Sinclair September 15, 2014 10:54 am
          • I fear for your sanity…you are living in la’la land…first blinkered and now blinded….congratulations ! well done…. I hope you get what you deserve and not what you want…. now. &?$#%^***¥

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            Karl Hughes September 15, 2014 10:58 am
          • Karl what do I deserve, come on spit it out, if I give it I should be able to take it. Come on then what do I deserve, let everyone known, is your true personality coming out now. Just say it you will feel a lot better.

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            John Sinclair September 15, 2014 11:07 am
          • Stop been so predictable… I am done with your nonsense…..nail your colours to that mast…and hold on tight .If I give it I should be able to take it….your words not mine.
            We are done until after the vote.
            Edit: follow your family motto “ Commit thy work to god” and I will follow mine ”The truth against the world’

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            Karl Hughes September 15, 2014 11:26 am
          • John, I will put a very simple question to you.
            What is it that Mr Salmond is going to bring to Scotland with a vote for Independence?
            Unlike Karl I am a hard bitten capitalist and many say opportunist, I sell my skills to the highest bidder and am cold blooded about it, I do the job and go! my motivation is two things,
            1. There is a lifestyle I want and I want my family to have.
            2. I have heard all the bullshit and promises from Politicians, governments etc, last night I walked to the local co – op, in the car park was a Yes car with ‘End Starvation for Ever’ along the road another Yes car with ‘Freedom’ all over it.
            I am living in a country where we are free, so what is all that crap about?
            End Starvation! I wish, the majority of people in Scotland have no idea of what that means, go to a third world country and see it, go to India, a wealthy nation, see poverty and people with nothing.
            I hope you enjoy your ‘feel good factor’

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            richard September 15, 2014 11:29 am
          • Read my older posts Karl, you might just get a inkling of were I am going from were I have come.
            And for you Richard grow up for once, grow a pair of yesticles, your antics no longer have any amusement value left, enjoy snuggling into your processions. And finally this comment is for Robert, just go out and buy a bigger car, and then buy a bigger car, you will never ever be happy, you have no love in you, no happiness. They are not my words they are from a man whose house is
            filled with happiness and caring and love for everyone.“I lost the friends that needed losing / found others on the way.”

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            John Sinclair September 15, 2014 11:52 am
  • Lynda

    What a lovely sentiment, beautifully expressed.

    Thanks!

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    Mary Galbraith September 15, 2014 8:47 am Reply
  • If she didn’t wear the flag, took off the Yes badge, where would you stand with her views.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29202512

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    John Sinclair September 15, 2014 9:39 am Reply
  • This post doesn’t entirely fit into the rest of this threads but it seems the most appropriate place to put it.

    Maybe I am fortunate regarding where I live but I don’t see the battle scarred Scotland that others seem to. Yes we have differing views on the referendum within out locality and there have been strong views and debates (normally in the local!) but they have been carried out with good cheer, very few raised voices and never any hostility. Only once was I verbally ‘assaulted’ with a ‘What gives you the **@@ing right to vote anyway?’ question (by a Yes voter, on account of my nationality not being Scottish) and he was quickly put in his place by a number of yes voters who I was having a beer with.

    There is no schism in our community, no sense of definitive right or wrong (bar maybe two people), no animosity or loss of friendship or respect for each other.

    Of course there have been some hostile voices (on both sides) on here, other web blogs, facebook and out on our streets but these are hostile unpleasant people – the referendum hasn’t made them hostile, it has simply, in their petty minds, legitimised it for them.

    Regardless of the result on Thursday I am sure there will be some gloating and reaction to that (both on here, online elsewhere and in the ‘real’ world!). I predict, and certainly hope, these are isolated incidents and don’t boil over into anything serious. It is incumbent on all of us to ‘grin and/or bear’ the result whichever way it goes and get on with things without resorting to the sort of petty nonsense which has started to creep in a little too much in the tail end of the campaigns.

    Either way the future of Scotland is going to be different. Independence will obviously deliver that as will a ‘No’ vote. I don’t buy the argument that all the promises of extra devolved powers will be broken if there is a ‘no’ vote. The mainstream parties within the No camp know full well that, if this was to happen then a future Yes vote is only a matter of time. They know they need to deliver something which will quell a push for independence for the longer term, not temporarily.

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    Integrity? September 15, 2014 9:48 am Reply
    • Great post Integrity.

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      Longshanks September 15, 2014 10:35 am Reply
    • Good stuff.
      Only point I disagree with is the promise of more powers post NO should this be our choice, we can only speculate but I feel this will move down the agenda when EU issues really begin to kick in. Lets see.

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      JnrTick September 15, 2014 11:02 am Reply
    • Integrity – I think we are both lucky where we live by the sounds of it. But don’t forget that most people don’t have the life we have. All our thinking on the Independence subject should be for those who live the cities, towns, urban areas who have to get up on a Monday morning to bus or train to work – come home during a rush hour- do that at least 5 days a week perhaps for their whole working life. They have mortgages, children and perhaps loans on this and that to pay off. They are the ones who generate much of the monies by way of income tax etc to fund the running of the country. They are the ones who need protecting from Salmond & Co.

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      Malcolm Kirk September 15, 2014 11:34 am Reply
      • I do all those things Malcolm. I travel a minimum of 70 miles a day every day to work but am often travelling further tog et to either Glasgow or Edinburgh.

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        Integrity? September 15, 2014 1:17 pm Reply
        • Apologies – I wrongly assumed you were retired.

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          Malcolm Kirk September 15, 2014 2:24 pm Reply
          • I am beginning to like the life people on here think I have. Retired before I turn 40 would be fabulous! Add that to the fact that someone else on here claimed I live in a castle!!

            Of course if I could afford to retire at this age whilst living in a castle I would need to stash all my cash offshore and thus be a target of NCH’s abuse!!

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            Integrity? September 15, 2014 6:31 pm
    • Well said Integrity.

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      phill September 16, 2014 9:58 pm Reply
  • Just came across the following quote, which seems to fit quite well here:

    “The real voyage of discovery consists
    not in seeking new landscapes
    but in having new eyes.”
    (Marcel Proust)

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    ClootieDumpling September 15, 2014 10:22 pm Reply
  • Please suggest how the UK might be reformed without giving its Establishment a good fright.

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    Arthur Blue September 16, 2014 9:22 pm Reply
    • Its Establishment needs more than a good fright – it needs grabbed by the ankles and given a good shaking.
      It’d be interesting to see what fell out of the pockets (apart from Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage).

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      Robert Wakeham September 16, 2014 9:51 pm Reply
  • With thanks to Malcolm Kirk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J39bBV7CBJk&feature=youtu.be

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    Simon September 17, 2014 6:52 pm Reply
    • Barnstorming indeed – and from the head and the heart, solid argument – not calculated, deceitful, or divisive.

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      Robert Wakeham September 17, 2014 7:45 pm Reply

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