Salmond now being rude about the businesses on which Scotland depends

Speaking to camera on this evening’s ITV news, between entries and exits from the helicopter lifting him between Scotland’s seven cities today, the First Minister appeared to have lost his sense of perspective, trumpeting:

‘The people of Scotland are not going to be bullied by Big Oil, Big Banks and Big Supermarkets.’

He made them sound like a pestilence, as he uttered the words with rhetorical scorn.

Yet it is Big Oil, Big Banks, Big Supermarkets and Big Businesses that are the major employers and the creators of the wealth of Scotland of which the First Minister so often boasts.

The FM’s volley had all the character of a bitter farewell.

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  • Och that’s nothing, Jim Sillars is publically threatening revenge on all those who dare to speak out on the potential consequences of a yes vote

    “This referendum is about power, and when we get a ‘Yes’ majority we will use that power for a day of reckoning with BP and the banks.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29181989

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    John M September 12, 2014 7:27 pm Reply
    • Salmond and Sillars aare like a couple of puch drunk boxers well past their best. Once a rebel always a rebel and in Salmonds case very deceptive. as for Sillars, quite sad really.

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      phill September 12, 2014 7:31 pm Reply
    • ‘Och that’s nothing, Jim Sillars is publically threatening revenge on all those who dare to speak out on the potential consequences of a yes vote’

      Reminiscent of the ‘Little Black Book’ in Dad’s Army.

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      Lundavra September 12, 2014 11:35 pm Reply
      • Careful or I shall put your name on the list!

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        John M September 13, 2014 12:07 am Reply
    • A day of reckoning with BP and the banks?

      This quote calls for a song, the laughter part of “The Laughing Policeman”!

      “O-o-o-O-Ho-Ho…….etc…..”

      🙂

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      Andrew Argyle September 13, 2014 10:04 am Reply
  • How times change. Its not that long ago Salmond was almost begging Ineos to stay. Didn’t they change their mind because that nasty westminster government stepped in with the size of cheque that made a difference and was considerably larger than Holyrood could justify?

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    Jerry McIver September 12, 2014 7:41 pm Reply
  • Excuse me for using an earlier post, my arthritis is playing up and frankly I can’t
    re-type a relevant point.
    Mr Sillars is a former deputy leader of the SNP and I make no apologies
    for cutting and pasting edits from an Aberdonian News paper; he today warned “scaremongering” business leaders they face a “day of reckoning” (as we all will) if Scotland votes for independence. His comments go like this “BP, in an independent Scotland, will need to learn the meaning of nationalisation, in part or in whole, as it has in other countries who have not been as soft as we have been forced to be”. A very strange and disjointed outburst.
    “As for the bankers: your casino days, rescued by socialisation of your liabilities while you waltz off with the profits, will be over.” Well yes the banks have sailed exceptionally close to the wind and they did this with the aid of the governments we have in the United Kingdom, all the governments, but to remove profit is totally absurd, need I say more.
    Mr Sillars added: “What kind of people do these companies think we are? They will find out.”
    Mr Sillars is an ignorant man, quite obnoxious, his final comment regarding finding out who the SNP ‘are’ is quite amusing, especially given that this is supposed to be a non political referendum. We all know who the SNP are; they are the nationalist party that is duping a large proportion of the Scottish population into believing that in this age of globalisation and unification we should cut our ties with future progression, stall and embrace some form of independent national socialist nirvana ( need I say more ?). He is a nationalist, and a particularly nasty one at that. I should imagine he lost a lot of yes votes from Scot North Sea oil workers today.
    The rational nationalists, the long term players now know they have lost this referendum, if they are to remain in power after the 19th a damage limitation exercise will follow very, very shortly and Salmond and silly Mr Sillars will be gone. They will leave the people of Scotland to repair what will I fear will be seen as a bitter defeat and a bitter divide in some quarters.

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    1707 September 12, 2014 7:43 pm Reply
    • Another member of the 79 Group, leopards don’t change their spots, nor do Salmond, Sillars,Swinney & co.

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      richard September 12, 2014 9:27 pm Reply
  • I suspect Sillars will have provoked a deep and long-lasting sense of disquiet among foreign companies and investors, especially in the oil and financial sectors. This may well lead to disinvestment in Scotland regardless of the referendum outcome, not least since it crystallizes the suspicions that many outside Scotland have about the likely economic policies of the SNP after independence.
    How this is meant to help the Scots economy and job prospects or generate wealth is beyond me. I fear that you can expect to see a rush of sellers in Scottish companies when the markets open on Monday.
    I suggest potential Yes voters think very, very carefully before committing financial hara-kiri. Be careful what you wish for because you might get it.

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    Madeleine Goddard September 12, 2014 8:00 pm Reply
    • I think he has caused considerable disquiet in the SNP.

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      phill September 12, 2014 11:47 pm Reply
      • Think

        For you that is a step too far

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        No Cheese Here September 13, 2014 1:02 am Reply
        • Very witty NCH.

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          phill September 13, 2014 1:05 pm Reply
  • I would presume you refer to isolation from investment ?
    A small scenario written on a napkin in 30 seconds;
    It would be a simple exercise for the multi-national oil companies, some of which have the same assets as a small country, to shut down production in Scottish waters (if they find the business atmosphere abhorrent), they are quite capable of taking a perceived ‘hit’ simply because oil prices would rise in line with the drop in production.
    The nationalists in my humble opinion will not prevail this time around, the silent undecided are in general supporters of the Union.

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    1707 September 12, 2014 8:16 pm Reply
  • When challenged about the banks’ positions, rather than address the issue, Mr Salmond complained that we shouldn’t have been told. He tells his supporters not to listen to anyone else. Indeed he goes further, he tells them to make sure that no one else can listen to them either. He complains when pro-union businesses give their views but trumpets the views of pro-independence businesses. Few people now believe that the Pope is infallible yet many independence supporters appear to be prepared to accept that Mr Salmond is right in every single aspect of the debate. ( What are the chances of that ?) In what other walk of life would people swallow whole and in its entirety what a zealot, seeking to achieve his own ends, was telling them ? There are clearly none so blind.

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    Digger September 12, 2014 8:55 pm Reply
  • ‘The people of Scotland are not going to be bullied by Big Oil, Big Banks and Big Supermarkets’.
    Changed days from when Mr Salmond’s pal Big Donald Trump bullied the poor unfortunate residents of Balmedie.
    But then there wasn’t a referendum to consider – and perhaps Mr Salmond considered golf resorts, and Big Money, to be more important than the human rights of a scatter of peasants, or did he consider that they weren’t the people of Scotland ?

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    Robert Wakeham September 12, 2014 9:27 pm Reply
    • Robert, you’d get more respect if you were a Panda!

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      richard September 12, 2014 9:37 pm Reply
  • When BP and these banks and other idiot businesses threatened the Scottish voters in the run up to their referendum they forgot one very important factor.
    The people they are threatening could be the sovereign power that they have to work with this time next week. Some of the companies have had a very fruitful last forty years from the red and blue Tories of Westminster while some of our people have suffered in life shortening poverty.
    Like the BT campaign these businesses are so drunk with their easy pickings that they are blinded to reality. The Scottish people have a far greater grip on what they expect and will not tolerate being intimidated.

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    Murdoch MacKenzie September 12, 2014 9:45 pm Reply
    • Murdoch, what threats? companies have to carry out risk assessments by law and would be negligent if they did not react to what they see as a potential risk.
      It is not earth shattering news for companies to confirm that prices would probably increase, it has not been a secret that supermarkets have flattened out prices in the UK and it is more expensive to operate in Scotland.
      The only threats have come from Mr Sillars and it seems that the SNP are now trying to distance themselves from him.
      It wasn’t a slip of the tongue Murdoch, it was the real SNP showing itself!

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      richard September 12, 2014 10:04 pm Reply
    • Pot / Kettle, MM – and not just very hypocritical, but a display of gross ignorance and bigotry.

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      Robert Wakeham September 12, 2014 10:07 pm Reply
      • Rickets

        Can just go to lidl or other shops. How can the Germans supply across the EU including sterling zone and still be cheaper

        I can shop else where. Don’t need to be threatened by certain companies.

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        No Cheese Here September 13, 2014 1:08 am Reply
        • I’ve seen your type in Lidl.

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          Simon September 13, 2014 1:40 am Reply
      • I think the ignorance is all with you and your back slapping gang. If BP are going to be working in the Scottish sector in an Independent Scotland they had better get any ideas of running the show from London out of their heads. Every country in the world that owns oil expects oil companies to set up locally if they are given areas to work.
        I was never a great fan of Jim Sillars in the past, but I have listened to some of his speeches recently and I see him in a very different light now. Some of his ideas about rebuilding industry in Scotland are excellent and very well thought out.
        I see very little positive ideas coming through this site to help our fellow countrymen like I hear from Mr Sillars.

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        Murdoch MacKenzie September 13, 2014 1:02 pm Reply
    • I have read this on a few of your posts now Murdoch and I simply can’t understand where you are coming from. Maybe that is a commentary on me or maybe it’s a commentary on your reluctance to ever admit that someone in the Yes campaign may have made a mistake.

      These companies are not threatening the Scottish voters. They are simply doing what all businesses of their scaledo. They are assessing the environment they exist/operate in and are making business decisions which, in their view, are the appropiate ones for their business.

      What Jim Sillars is doing is the only threat here. ‘If you want to do business in Scotland but don’t agree with my view then we will use our political power to get revenge’

      Regardless of the result on Thursday is this honestly the sort of culture you think the Scottish economy needs if it is to thrive?

      It was a staggeringly idiotic statement. I would be willing to bet Karl’s offshore account on (just kidding Karl – tell you what make it Sean Connery’s offshore account)is that Alex Salmond would never have said that (even if he was maybe thinking it) and will be furious that Sillars said it.

      Sillars is a dinosaur now and there is no place for his sort of attitude if an independent Scotland is supposed to be this ‘fairer more just society’ that is getting thrown around as a buzz phrase.

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      Integrity? September 12, 2014 10:48 pm Reply
  • Robert Peston, a man I do believe knows what he is talking about and is right at the heart of the BBC, so definitely no bias….

    Analysis: Robert Peston, BBC economics editor

    Some of the fuss and furore about whether prices in an independent Scotland would be higher than in the rest of the UK is bonkers.

    When retailers – food and non food – say they might have to push up their prices if Scotland were to introduce higher taxes or rates or if it were to change employment and planning laws, this is simply to remind Scots why they are voting for or against independence.

    The whole point of Scotland becoming a separate nation, for its proponents, is to give Scots the ability to make different choices about the nature of the society they inhabit from what prevails in the rest of the UK.

    Inevitably those choices would have an impact on businesses. And frequently they would have an impact on the level of prices.

    So talking about the emergence of inevitable price differentials between Scotland and an independent UK is to say something stunningly obvious and uninteresting.

    For example we don’t expect prices to be the same in UK and France, because the UK and France make different choices about the structure of their respective economies, and these choices have an impact on the productivity and pricing policies of their respective businesses.

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    batmans revenge September 12, 2014 11:24 pm Reply
  • If Mr Salmond is to be believed, surely all the major businesses expressing concern at the prospect of independence should instead be upping sticks and moving their headquarters into Scotland to take advantage of the proposed 3% reduction in Corporation Tax. Why aren’t they ? Because they see that Mr Salmond’s uncosted plans are built on sand and, with nationalists threatening boycotts and recriminations, any traffic is far more likely to be in the opposite direction !

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    Digger September 12, 2014 11:34 pm Reply
  • @Digger –
    The SNP laid out a vision for an independent Scotland in their White Paper, a document that has been in the public domain for over nine months, therefore allowing debate, scrutiny and comment. The only thing present, today, that is un-costed is the Devo Maxi Super Whopper Burger that has been cooked up in 5 minutes on the back of a greasy napkin by Lord to be Gordy Broon. A fantastical super deluxe with extra sauce on piece of tripe wholly backed by Messers Spideron, Clegg and Millipede. Who do these people think they are to treat us with such contempt!

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    batmans revenge September 13, 2014 12:01 am Reply
    • ‘batmans revenge’ – a new moniker – are you a type of dysentery?

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      Robert Wakeham September 13, 2014 12:08 am Reply
    • BR – Thinking about it, we are indeed oppressed. After all those down south have £1200 more per head spent on them. On no, wait, it’s us that get the extra £1200. Well they don’t have to pay university tuition fees ! On no, wait, that’s us again. Well they don’t have prescription charges ! You can see where this is going. The white paper is an uncosted wish list and you missed out something in your menu above, the chip on your shoulder. If Scotland votes no and further powers aren’t devolved people will quite rightly demand another referendum. They have nothing to lose by taking that option. In contrast, if they vote yes and it’s a disaster there’s no way back. What would a sensible person do ?

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      Digger September 13, 2014 12:36 am Reply
  • Oh Robert, such wit!
    Methinks that the only dysentery around is that which has been contracted by those consuming Lordy Broons Whopper Burger!

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    batmans revenge September 13, 2014 12:16 am Reply
    • Unfortunate choice of disguise.

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      Robert Wakeham September 13, 2014 12:23 am Reply
  • Robert, I see that you are more interested in a chosen moniker than defending the Better Together last ditch effort at patronising those in Scotland who believe that there could be a new and better way, a different path – if you will. There is more behind the independence movement than cosying up to big business. The existing model doesn’t work, the UK is a shambolic mess. There is the option here, in Scotland, not to be a part of it and I am wholly behind that ideal.
    If you wish to debate the pros and cons of independence, the possibilities, the risks, the rewards – then great – otherwise, do not demean yourself with puerility.

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    batmans revenge September 13, 2014 12:38 am Reply
    • Cheese – go away.

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      ClootieDumpling September 13, 2014 1:36 am Reply
      • It is quite obvious that No Cheese Here has got the message that any posts under that daft moniker solicit a unified response, so it has changed to this ridiculous nom de plume that Robert Wakeham sums up brilliantly.
        Is there any depth that yes supporters would not plumb in this sordid campaign I wonder!

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        Simon September 13, 2014 1:44 am Reply
        • Now since you are the imposter Simon should I care.

          Strange that for argyll doesn’t remove you as they must have your email address which is different from the true Simon. Of course you are a biiter NomsomFor Argyll will support you.

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          No Cheese Here September 13, 2014 8:49 am Reply
  • @Digger
    I admit, I did forget the chips – those chips that the financial institutions played with so successfully – Oh no, they didn’t did they – they nearly bankrupted the country with their chips.
    I can assure you I have no chip on my shoulder. I am merely stating the facts, that is to say a document put together that, yes may be a wish list of sorts, I believed that I alluded to that by mentioning a vision for independence. Nothing is ‘for sure’ – no matter whether the vote is for yes or no, but the possibilities of that vision – for me – are far more attractive than continuing with more of the same. Just to pre-empt any retort on further devolved powers winging their way here, devolved powers are no powers at all – what can be given can be taken away. The sure route to uncertainty and continued inequality is to vote no. Finally, extra spending per head you say as if it is some gift from a greatful Westminster to those wonderful Scots – balderdash is what I say to that. Scotland puts more into the UK exchequer than it gets back. That’s not right – pure and simple.

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    batmans revenge September 13, 2014 12:55 am Reply
    • Federalism is surely the way to ensure that the various components of Britain get a fair deal, without destroying so much that is good about the union.
      Fostering jealousy and resentment creates hatred – and reminds me of the tactics of a guy called Adolf.
      And, just to be clear, there’s no way that devolved powers could be taken away, given that this would ensure total and very bitter divorce.

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      Robert Wakeham September 13, 2014 8:09 am Reply
      • robert, 100%.

        the great thing about this is that even when a No vote happens, it could stimulate change in the United Kingdom to the betterment of the whoel country. THat’s worth voting No for alone.

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        Jamie Black September 13, 2014 8:33 am Reply
    • BR – So the answer to a fairer society is that everyone has to get back from the Exchequer what they put in ? So poor areas will get poorer and poor people will get poorer. That doesn’t sound fair, it sounds incredibly selfish ! The natural extension of your logic is that if Scotland votes for independence then the Shetland Islands and other wealthier areas should demand that they get back what they pay into the Scottish Exchequer.

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      Digger September 13, 2014 10:42 am Reply
  • What we are witnessing is the last gasp attempt to scare the voters.

    To instruct a state owned bank to release a scare story about how it might move it’s registration south shows the total and utter contempt that Westminster holds for the people of Scotland.

    This will not work as it will only stiffen folks resolve.

    It’s going to happen.

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    willie September 13, 2014 7:23 am Reply
    • We will find out who the scared and intimidated are in the security and safety of the polling booth Willie…not before…half a million maybe ?
      In some areas the hollywood Braveheart ” short walk to freedom” gangs will be standing outside the polling stations, pipes and banners in hand playing “Scotland the brave” on the 18th. and on the 19th ? a lament no doubt…Cumha na Cloinee ? suggestion ?
      It will be a NO… the Nats have no reserve left…no more votes to squeeze. What comes after a NO vote is only to be contemplated.

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      Karl Hughes September 13, 2014 10:57 am Reply
  • Even zee germans are backing zee “nein” campaign meine heir.

    ” it comes as chief economist at Deutsche Bank David Folkerts-Landau said voters and politicians had failed to grasp the negative consequences of independence ”

    This was so obvious from day one,

    Its a long list Willie… face that fact.

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    Karl Hughes September 13, 2014 7:40 am Reply
    • Never fear, Karl, Dysentery & Co will be pretending that a German bank is under Westminster instruction.
      There’s paranoia, and then there’s the fevered anti-British imaginings and rantings of some of the folk on this blog.

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      Robert Wakeham September 13, 2014 8:00 am Reply
      • Its hard to judge from here whats happening at home… and I would be a berk to take posters on this wee blog as a general cross section of Scottish society…would I not ???

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        Karl Hughes September 13, 2014 8:11 am Reply
        • One thing that surprises me, given the amount of noise in the media and from the politicians, is the lack of visible signs of the referendum – my street in Lochgilphead hasn’t got a single ‘yes’ or ‘no’ sign anywhere, and travelling to Glasgow on thursday I was surprised at the remarkable lack of individual signs or posters – even driving the length of the Boulevard – though I did see one or two of the big advertising signs (I think at Anniesland) with devolution messages.
          So I just wonder if, in reality, an awful lot of people are still undecided – maybe more because they suspect widespread disinformation than for any other reason.

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          Robert Wakeham September 13, 2014 8:21 am Reply
          • You’re right Robert. You wouldn’t know at all. I have no TV, don’t buy the papers and commute to work – you’d never kow that apparantly such a big thing was happening. If people switche off their TVs and internet for a day, they’d hear nothing about it.

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            Jamie Black September 13, 2014 8:35 am
          • Cheers for that…

            A referendum by social media perhaps ? I look forward to the 19th…
            Seems local SNP/ Nationalist groups are doing some ” short walk to freedom” en route to the poll….pipes and all.

            My Tiree lass says she intends to walk to the sea and make salt…LOL…

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            Karl Hughes September 13, 2014 8:35 am
    • Oh dear now the Westminster lackies are supporting the Germans!

      What happened to the love in!

      With friends like you…………..

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      No Cheese Here September 13, 2014 1:18 pm Reply
  • It’s all over for the Yes campaign, they’re now in retreat and will try to take anyone they can down with them.

    Watch next week turn into a bitter, muck raing excersise rather than any decent level of debate.

    at least 60% will vote no, probably more.

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    Jamie Black September 13, 2014 8:38 am Reply
    • Just listened to Jim Sillars being interviewed on BBC R4 Today – he claimed the threat of nationalisation was just a ploy to get himself some media exposure.
      Seemed to me more like an attempt at damage limitation that turned into a hole-digging session.

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      Robert Wakeham September 13, 2014 8:46 am Reply
      • You obviously listened to a different interview and now telling porkies.

        No change there roberto

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        No Cheese Here September 13, 2014 8:53 am Reply
        • I didn’t hear the interview so have no idea what Sillars said on it.

          Interested though NCH. What is your opinion on Jim Sillars saying that the referendum is about power and that a ‘Yes’ majority will give them the power for a day of reckoning with BP and the banks.

          Do you think:

          1. That is a productive attitude for a Scottish economy which will want to encourage new business and investment?

          2. Undecided voters who work for BP and the banks will now be rushinhg out to vote Yes on Thursday?

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          Integrity? September 13, 2014 9:59 am Reply
      • Spent force is old Jim and such a shame as he was wheeled out on a sepecific reason which sadly for him and AS backfired.
        Re business in Scotland if the SNP were to run an Independant Scotland there would be no need for private enterprise, as the state would ru(i)n everything. Sad that the SNP have morphed into this organisation who have such a persecution complex.
        A socialist utopia where everyones wishlist will come to fruition. This has been tried by labour in the militant days and wont and cant work. Mind you maybe Salmonds 79 Group tendencies are stronger than any real understanding of how economics work in the real world.
        Even in Argyll any SNP member who shows promise innovation or popularity is forced out as they appear a threat to the hierarchy. Roddy McCuish to name but one.

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        phill September 13, 2014 9:57 am Reply
    • Jamie too much drink in the morning isn’t good for you. Seen any spiders or pink elephants yet?

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      No Cheese Here September 13, 2014 8:52 am Reply
      • Another reasoned and intellectual input from Forargyll’s political & economic guru ‘No Cheese Here’!!!

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        Jim Clark September 13, 2014 11:31 am Reply
    • JB, That’s not what I’m picking up where I am thousands of miles away. Americans, Russians, Australians, Irish, Norwegians, South Africans, people from all nations come up to me and tell me what fun they are having watching the Westminster politicians making such idiots of themselves.
      Because of the way the world looks to Scotland for guidance and leadership, this referendum is spreading a lot of light into the world and people are seeing how shallow our leaders, and theirs, really are. It is already making the world a better place, we just need to not let them down by fearing the No’s fear.

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      Murdoch MacKenzie September 13, 2014 1:31 pm Reply
      • Murdoch, those vibes must be strong, if it’s so good wherever you are I suggest you stay there, mind you, you may not have a choice if Sillars has his way.
        There won’t be many companies dealing with Scotland.

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        richard September 13, 2014 1:39 pm Reply
        • Murdoch

          Don’t bother with rickets telling you where to stay Murdoch. Your a Scot and home is here.

          The bitter folk have there suitcases packed as they are patriotic!

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          No Cheese Here September 13, 2014 4:20 pm Reply
  • Just heard that where I live someone made ‘an official complaint’ to the police because a ‘yes’ poster had been removed from a lamp post! The result was that two policemen had to travel some miles to investigate ‘the complaint’. How sad is that.

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    'Felicity' September 13, 2014 9:54 am Reply
    • if the campaigners had stuck to the rules it would not have happened – the ruling was no party to ‘post’ their placards or posters etc in this manner.

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      zak September 13, 2014 10:24 am Reply
      • Ah so blame the complainant not the vandal.

        This bitter together thing is a rather weird concoction

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        No Cheese Here September 13, 2014 1:20 pm Reply
        • Jim Murphy

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          John M September 13, 2014 1:46 pm Reply
  • I have now caught up and read the reasoned arguments that have been posted here since I went off to bed at 2 am. So I should say that your bitter rantings did not stop me, I have never posted under another name here and finally, I see that you are all intelligent and mature and engaging. I have been called many things, but never a Nazi!
    It was quite clear that there is balance required on this forum – or maybe I am completely wrong – and I think that may be the case, but to continue with your back-slapping of each others comments is really quite sad. As I mentioned earlier in the wee small hours, if you want to enter into worthwhile debate, then lets do so.
    Oh – and another thing, I am glad that you are so confident about the level a No vote will reach on the 18th – but – if the level of turn out I have witnessed at both Better Together and Yes campaign meetings held in Argyll are anything to go by, then your bitter campaign efforts seem to have turned people off whereas the Independence movement has packed all the venues I have been to. Then with some kind of campaigning genius, your roll out George Galloway to represent the best of the union – and you do this in front of 7,500 representatives of this nations future. It was a disgraceful display – and just like those on this forum – George managed to dredge the pit and find ways to refer to Nazi Germany. Shame on you all.

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    batmans revenge September 13, 2014 12:49 pm Reply
    • A very good piece of television where Galloway, Sturgeon, and Davidson were very entertaining and at times enlightening but poor Patrick Harvey is a shadow of his former influence.
      in general very good to hear the views and questions put by the audience. well chaired also.

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      phill September 13, 2014 1:11 pm Reply
    • BR, perhaps you would like to comment on Mr Sillars remarks, it seems that the SNP mask slipped and the true colours have been shown.
      None of us should be surprised, look who made up the 79 group and where they are today, when it comes to ‘threatening’ it is clear for all to see which camp is making threats and there isn’t even time for the Yes camp to try and bury the issue.
      17bn, dumped by investors in the last month and investors starting to speculate on the pound! Scotland was warned that this would happen and Salmond called it ‘project fear’ it’s not, it’s how the markets view Scottish Independence.
      Salmond and Co may see themselves as ‘head of the minnow’ but it’s a very small sea they swim in and there are plenty of ‘Great Whites’ in the financial Oceans.
      Alienating major companies seems a suicidal strategy when Salmond and Sturgeon are touring the country saying Independence is the only way to create jobs and wealth.
      Once again nothing rings true!
      P’S I assume your a pal of Commissioner Salmond and Catwoman Sturgeon. Back to your cave on Gotham Isle.

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      richard September 13, 2014 1:25 pm Reply
      • Shame on you, br – or dysentery, for that’s a fair description of your verbal output, the reference to ‘your bitter rantings’, apparently addressed to everyone.
        I really don’t think that you qualify as the Messiah.

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        Robert Wakeham September 13, 2014 1:36 pm Reply
  • Caped crusader, whoever you are…there is very little to discuss if your illustrious Mr Salmond and co are not willing to answer the questions repeatedly asked by around half of the Scottish population…its pointless asking you any questions unless you know what Salmond does not know…does that make sense ?
    I put it to you that what we should all be doing now (apart from turning up on the 18th to vote) is not trying to grab the silent majority and shake or force change or answers out of them either, they will answer with a tick in a box, there mind is made up..
    What we should be doing is planning how Scotland is going to deal with half of its population being deeply disapointed on the 19th…how we intend to reconcile the hurt done by xenophobic attitudes towards folk who call Scotland home…be they YES or NO voters.
    Any ideas Batman ?
    ( edit: as expected NHC answered with an initial lonesome thumbs down LOL, so predictable)

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    Karl Hughes September 13, 2014 1:19 pm Reply
    • Karl

      Xenophobic ? I suppose that was your infantile attempt of humour?
      In trying to illustrate German speech was quite racist. No surprise from the Bitter mob.

      No doubt we shall hear more from you on how a Scot speaks?

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      No Cheese Here September 13, 2014 1:25 pm Reply
      • I have come to the conclusion that the posts of NCH are generated by a ZX81 Sinclair computer.
        The pseudonym NCH is in fact a defense mechanism/a warning…not to place cheese, as automatically and, so obviously, a wee timorous beasty will sprout forth from under a stone.
        You are such fun, and very much up to your normal standard today wee she/he/it…
        I wonder what ever happened to Kassandra ???

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        Karl Hughes September 13, 2014 1:35 pm Reply
        • I think that, to save time, you could abbreviate ‘she/he/it’ to a more accurate representation of NCH’s essential characteristic.
          But please don’t tempt providence by wondering out loud about other pond life.

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          Robert Wakeham September 13, 2014 1:42 pm Reply
          • Thanks Robert… 🙁 that’s ruined my little ongoing gybe. I find solace in the knowledge that somebody on the side of logic and reality has the capability to absorb what they read, be that innuendo or otherwise… 😉

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            Karl Hughes September 13, 2014 1:48 pm
  • Well, I have never met Salmond or Sturgeon and have never voted SNP. The idea that the Scottish Independence movement is the sole domain of one political party is quite obviously ridiculous. With regard to Mr Sillars, then I agree that his comments were unhelpful to a campaign that I support, but at least within the confines of this forum I may be the only one magnanimous enough to admit that parts of the campaign I support are not my views, or perhaps the views of others. Further to that, the issue of currency is not one I agree with either. I understand the SNP argument regarding sharing the pound, but personally I would not wish for that. To suggest that Scotland is a ‘minnow’ in a very large ocean is somewhat disingenuous. Scotland as an independent nation would be the 14th richest in the world. My view is that the people of Scotland of all political persuasion, all race, religion, creed and colour would benefit from Scotland deciding on its own priorities funded by managing its own considerable resources.
    There are many reasons, as I am sure this forum of intelligent and learned bloggers are aware that have an effect on share prices. Also, just highlighting one movement on one day is not representative of market trend or attitude. It is cherry picking figures to suit a political position. Lets be real and honest and have the decency to do a bit of research before spouting forth headlines from an anti indy press, it does you no credit to do so.
    On the subject of post 18th and whether a yes or no wins, I am in no doubt that if no wins, the people of Scotland will still be willing to work collectively to make a better society – but – I have no doubt that the Westminster elite will have no qualms in subduing those uppity Scots for daring to suggest that they could do better on their own. God help us all.

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    batmans revenge September 13, 2014 1:54 pm Reply
    • I would like to think that all Scots will work together constructively whatever the outcome of the referendum. Unfortunately if it’s a Yes vote every little inevitable hiccup will be the fault of someone else and if it’s a no vote then the current finger pointing and blame game espoused by the Scottish Government will continue. Whichever way it goes it is not a very attractive prospect.

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      keith stanger September 13, 2014 2:12 pm Reply
      • Those in Holyrood and those in Westminster must ( and hopefully do now) understand that their infighting and bickering, hypocrisy and bigotry will not stand…

        The power of governance is not inside these two buildings…its outside in the hands of the people who pay their wages…Big Change is coming…whatever the outcome of Tuesdays vote.

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        Karl Hughes September 13, 2014 2:32 pm Reply
    • I don’t think that the ‘Westminster elite’ would be in any position to do that, because if they did there’d be another referendum in fairly short order – with the outcome beyond doubt.

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      Robert Wakeham September 13, 2014 2:14 pm Reply
    • Batman, I see your post is related to an earlier post I was not involved in…anyhow, just picking up on one point at the end of your post…

      “On the subject of post 18th and whether a yes or no wins, I am in no doubt that if no wins, the people of Scotland will still be willing to work collectively to make a better society” totally agree, we must continue to take the genuine issue of social disparity and poor governance throughout the entire UK, all the way to Westminster/Holyrood…politics and politicians in general have to change…represent the views of the electorate and not their own careers/legacy.

      “– but – I have no doubt that the Westminster elite will have no qualms in subduing those uppity Scots for daring to suggest that they could do better on their own. God help us all-”

      I doubt that Westminster and to a lesser degree Holyrood, Cardiff,( not sure about NI) has a choice in accepting change…I am relying on the outcome of this referendum to be the straw that broke the current form of self serving politicians backs’…if there isn’t swift change, again we have to speak up in unity.

      Uppity or not my family are firstly Scots and secondly British…I will not allow my sons notto not have a genuine say in the governance of either Scotland or the rest of the UK…its their birth right.

      Lets just hope after the vote, whatever the outcome we can move forward in unity.

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      Karl Hughes September 13, 2014 2:24 pm Reply
  • Those folk considering a NO vote must be proud of their campaign. My wife likened it to that old Domestic Abuse poster with ‘Love and Hate’ tattooed on a thugs knuckles with the question, “Which will it be tonight?”

    The similarity with the NO campaign is painfully obvious as it migrates from Project Fear to Project Terror.

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    Grant MacDonald September 13, 2014 2:05 pm Reply
    • Getting a bit desperate, aren’t you, Grant?

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      Robert Wakeham September 13, 2014 2:10 pm Reply
    • You’re scrapping the bottom of the barrel now Grant. Dont know where you got that one from!

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      phill September 13, 2014 2:14 pm Reply
    • A Pathetic comment Grant…amongst the worse I have seen throughout this campaign.

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      Karl Hughes September 13, 2014 2:35 pm Reply
    • You knew that was a crass comment Grunt, which is why you are hiding behind your wife.

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      Simon September 13, 2014 3:05 pm Reply
      • Judging by the panicky comments, it seems even the No bodies appreciate how ridiculous the situation is.
        While Cameron. Milliband, & Clegg visited to ‘Love Bomb’ our country, the BBC’s Robert Peston noted that Number 10 staff were ‘corralling the bankers’ to issue simultaneous scare stories.

        And on Thursday, he reports, Cameron hosted senior staff from supermarkets etc to again issue simultaneous scare stories.

        And again, Robert Peston notes, Number 10 worked on Friday to get the phone companies together to frighten the Scots.

        To me, this is the tattooed thug from that poster and rather indefensible. It seems Peston feels the same way.

        Then again, the NO campaigners are supporting this as, it seems, they are supporting a Westminster where the level of expenses claims now exceeds that of before they were exposed. This story cannot be true as I read it in the Telegraph and Daily Mail…

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        Grant MacDonald September 13, 2014 3:58 pm Reply
    • Grant,

      May be worth explaining that further. All I can understand from your comment is that you’re happy to go public with a remark that makes your wife appear to be a thoroughly unpleasant person. I presume she isn’t!

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      Integrity? September 13, 2014 3:59 pm Reply
      • I suggest that as we’re discussing separation his wife could file for a divorce on the grounds of stupidity.

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        richard September 13, 2014 4:53 pm Reply
    • Grant,what you have said is pure ignorance!

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      richard September 13, 2014 4:36 pm Reply
    • Grant, our resident NO voters on here either don’t have the confidence to admit or are just blind to their cause to do the decent thing in the interests of decent debate based on good observance and admit that this referendum and the way in which it has been conducted by not only our media, but the entire British government in simultaneously and systematically smearing, cheating, colluding their way to protecting the interests of not us the people but those of the Great British establishment, those pulling the strings.
      There is one side of this debate fighting dirty and is being exposed as doing so through social media, the enemy of dishonesty.

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      JnrTick September 13, 2014 11:13 pm Reply
      • Such hypocrisy, JT.

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        Robert Wakeham September 13, 2014 11:16 pm Reply
      • A friend of mine who’s a bit of a character and a resolute Yes voter – runs a wee local magazine and they ran adverts on behalf of both the Yes and No campaigns.

        Hilariously, he received a phone call from what he described as “Yes campaign nutters,” accusing him of “media bias” and threatening to hold a demonstration to picket his office.

        His reply was “Aye, come on doon, boys, bring yer fags, an’ we’ll have a party!”

        Suffice it to say, they didn’t show up.

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        Andrew Argyle September 13, 2014 11:32 pm Reply
        • You have a friend.!

          Well that is hard to believe.

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          No Cheese Here September 14, 2014 12:41 am Reply
        • Love it, at least there’s still some humour left.

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          richard September 14, 2014 3:40 pm Reply
        • You are seriously saying there is not seriously dubious and underhand interventions from the Government and our state broadcaster’s impartiality regarding this referendum?
          I hope what has been happening during this referendum, post 18th, is very well documented.

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          JnrTick September 14, 2014 6:43 pm Reply
      • Thanks for the voice of sanity. I don’t know how these NO campaigners who commented on my post can look at themselves in the mirror. Perhaps too busy giving each other up ticks…

        My wife drew the analogy due to her first marriage to someone who worshipped his Mitsibushi Colt sports car, his external appearance and was happy to let her claim grants from the council to furnish the flat while she also had to ensure clothing comprised her daughters birthday and christmas presents. Obviously, free school meals were a humiliating essential while she had to show him every receipt.
        She also worked two jobs.
        Thankfully, I’ve a step daughter who’s brilliant but is now ensuring her own children do not know who their real grandfather is, something I feel rather sad.

        It appears the NO campaigners here want abuse to leave external scars whereas my wife feels somewhat differently and spotted the disgusting simile between the NO campaign and her own historical situation.

        Or perhaps, they simply thought I was playing politics and consider it a game.

        Regardless, I hope they pause for a second before voting on the 18th to consider their behaviour, their comments, and the corrupt system they are backing.

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        Grant MacDonald September 14, 2014 2:33 am Reply
        • Jajajajaja, for goodness sake Grunt, just grow a pair and stand by your own views rather than hiding behind your wife’s skirts.

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          Simon September 14, 2014 3:28 pm Reply
        • Stop trying to justify your bad post, by personalising your excuses…you made an arse of yourself with an uncalled for very poor, thoughtless analogy…get over it and move on…QED….

          FFS if it makes you feel any better I forgive you 🙂

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          Karl Hughes September 14, 2014 7:23 pm Reply
  • Yet more personal attacks from Robert. I do not think my verbal output is quite as described, but of course as you have nothing positive to contribute, you do fit perfectly into the bitter together camp. This is what is seen far and wide in the communities around Argyll. I also note that you have no response to the fact that the public meetings held are engaging, visionary, forward looking and packed on the Yes front – dire, negative, scaremongering and with a pathetic turnout on the No side. This will be reflected on the 18th when a bright new future for all of Scotland will be the reality and rUK will be licking its wounds and wondering why they did not enter the whole debate with a much more positive prospectus.

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    batmans revenge September 13, 2014 2:26 pm Reply
    • A word of advice – if you want to comment on a previous post, click on ‘reply’ immediately after that post, or if there’s no ‘reply’ there, click on the last preceding ‘reply’; that way your comment will be in the right place for everyone to see what you’re on about.

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      Robert Wakeham September 13, 2014 5:52 pm Reply
    • Funny to see “Batman’s revenge” on the same side as “The Penguin”?

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      Andrew Argyle September 13, 2014 11:42 pm Reply
  • Jamie, Bichard and their naysaying chums are suffering from premature ejeculation. This isn’t over and if 17 billion has been moved that suggests that the speculators, spivs and gamblers know something that’s not publicly being reported. Deutche bank ?? What was it these criminals were fined for again? Nobody ever expected the banks, fat cats and the financial sector to support anybody but the negative no numpties. These tories are not interested in anyone but themselves. For me this was always about voting Yes for a fairer and more equitable society, nothing has changed and there is everything still to play for – regardless of what the boringly predictable chummies say.

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    Simon September 13, 2014 2:48 pm Reply
    • I am voting No but respect the people who vote Yes. I would say that it is not fair to pour scorn either way on those excercising their right. Thats democracy and I think everyone has had enouigh of the DROLL TROLLS.
      I find it hard to believe there are any ‘undecideds’ now as all has been well spelled out on TV Internet Blogs etc etc and not least by friends and family. Now is the time for everyone to look at the implications for your self and importantly nearest and dearest on the consequence of both options.
      Where will you be 2 or 3 years from now financially. Weight it up, in your worlsd and in the cold light of day. At the end of the day it may be instinct but its your vote.

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      phill September 13, 2014 4:41 pm Reply
  • If you wish the billions of oil revenues from the West Coast and Firth of Clyde to be lost to Wasteminster Vote No
    If you wish your NHS to be privatised Vote No
    If you wish an end to free prescriptions Vote No
    If you wish our children not to to attain Higher education should they be able Vote No
    If you wish decisions about Scotland entering into armed conflict decided by London Vote No
    If you wish nuclear weapons to remain on our shores Vote No
    If you wish less conventional forces Vote No
    If you wish retirement age to increase Vote No
    If you don’t want airline tax to be reduced Vote No
    If you want Boris Johnstone and Farage running Scotland Vote No
    If you wish other countries dictating your fishing policy Vote No
    If you wish other people to tell you how to spend your money Vote No
    If you wish an unelected House of Lords dictating to Scotland what we can or cannot do Vote No
    If you wish other people that you did not vote for telling you what to do Vote No
    If you wish more food banks Vote No
    If you wish the Multi-millionaires telling you how greedy, how stupid, how small we you are Vote No
    If you wish to remain a puppet on strings pulled by others don’t think
    Or Vote Yes and let the people of Scotland make its own decisions in its own interests cooperating with allies.

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    No Cheese Here September 13, 2014 4:11 pm Reply
    • NCH, I do love some of your posts, they save me having to come up with new material to use at management seminars, if you could just chuck in a few ‘one liners’ it would be even more fun.
      Keep up the good work I am sure you will be rewarded adequately.
      Now let me see, minister for ————-? I’m sure someone’s got a suggestion.

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      richard September 13, 2014 4:51 pm Reply
      • Ricardo

        When did you ever come up with new material. Your brain isn’t quite designed for that.

        Mind you the truth hurts so sorry for hurting your ego.

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        No Cheese Here September 14, 2014 12:44 am Reply
    • Two can play this list rant game ‘No Cheese Here’.
      1. It was the UK that formed the NHS. However the NHS in Scotland is a devolved issue and the SNP Govt have spent a higher percentage on out sourcing to the private sector than that in England & Wales. Anyway just to humour you ‘NCH’ here is another take on the NHS.
      a. If you want your Government to close a Hospital Ward (Oban Hospital) to save £250k per annum whilst spending £320K per annum in Oban on Methadone vote yes to support SNP Government.
      b. If you want your GP’s (Campbeltown) to be ignored by the Health Minister and have a costly methadone program forced on them vote ‘Yes’to support the SNP Govt aims.
      c. If you want the rich to get free prescriptions (even though they can can easily afford them) yet restrict drugs to cancer patients on the grounds of costs. In other words if political ideology is more important than delivery to the point of need vote ‘Yes’ to support SNP Govt aims.
      d. If you want services to be centralised (police, fire, NHS) and remove all local accountability vote ‘Yes’ and support the SNP Govt aims.
      e. If you want MSP’s to rode roughshod over local Govt and stop a decent Councillor (Roddy McCuish) forming an administration with the Lib Dems. Vote ‘Yes’ to legitimise Scottish Govt interference in local Government politics.
      I could go on ‘NCH’ the point is both sides can do lists. Unfortunately you are not prepared to countenance that whilst you maybe right in somethings that the alternative viewpoint may also be right in somethings! A reasoned debate is not for you is it? Far better the certainity of mindless rants and put downs. Still whilst far from reasonable or logical you are entertaining indeed I think you maybe the SNP’s answer to ‘Alf Garnet’.

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      Jim Clark September 13, 2014 5:33 pm Reply
      • I see no rant in your comment…

        Jim…a slightly editied ( last couple of words) from an earlier post, of your own.

        “On nationalism

        The majority of people are family orientated, that is they put the needs of their family before the need to embrace a national identity be that British, Scottish, European whatever. They want financial security, a decent home and education for their families. The debate which has lasted for over two years has degenerated into mud slinging and failed to provide the sensible family orientated voters with the information they need to make the best choice for their families. Both sides in this debate need to do less mud slinging and provide more accurate information in the last …..5 days of this debate.”

        I feel the No campaign, has in some small way provided some of the answers… my vote is in…a NO… and quite simply because I have two young boys that I wish to succeed in as large a diversified nation as possible, it provides more options, more chances…” first priority family” … to do this and provide more options for them I feel staying in the Union provides the best of both worlds…general stability, security, no borders…and proven international options. They also retain the cultural roots of their mothers gaelic Tirisdeach roots, whilst enjoying my family roots in Wales and the English Midlands, without border without division….

        Wish you well. ( as for the politicians…hopefully they realise that the entire UK has had enough of their generally self seeking agendas)

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        Karl Hughes September 13, 2014 9:10 pm Reply
      • Hey, I remember Alf Garnett on the telly, he was atrocious but he was never that bad!

        BTW, NCH, in the unlikely event we get currency union, Boris Johnstone (sic) and Nigel Farage will be more likely to be running this country than if we keep our big ‘doad’ of socialist MPs at Westminster.

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        Andrew Argyle September 13, 2014 9:37 pm Reply
      • Yes

        Thanks for copying my idea. I should be flattered really but it is a bit embarrassing for you guys to be on Walsh’s coat tails.

        Of course no answers to my truisms!

        Cllr McCuish may have been decent once but he lost that tag long ago. Ask NEWSIE how many wee stories she got from him.
        I’ve heard from several people of the shenanigans he got up to when in power. Of course he could do the honourable thing and resign but responsibility payments are too tasty by half.
        Alfred Garnet — my you are well over middle aged. That’s the one with the ex PM Blair’s father in law. Too much lovey dovey for me.
        You probably thought “On the buses” was funny with its sexist and racists jokes. Not my cup of tea.

        Now be a good wee boy and stop ranting.

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        No Cheese Here September 14, 2014 12:53 am Reply
        • Nice wee aside from the referendum debate NCH. Re A and B councillors, do you know about all the good work Roddy McCuish has done and will continue to do. Jealousy is a terrible thing. have you ever come across the man even?

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          phill September 14, 2014 10:23 am Reply
      • ‘1. It was the UK that formed the NHS.’

        Don’t want to give the knuckle-draggers anything but of course the NHS was basically HIMS extended to the whole UK. And HIMS was started in Scotland under the Liberals.

        I would have thought someone from Argyll would have known about HIMS!

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        Lundavra September 14, 2014 8:53 am Reply
      • ‘d. If you want services to be centralised (police, fire, NHS) and remove all local accountability vote ‘Yes’ and support the SNP Govt aims.’

        But of course centralisation of the Coastguard is ‘wrong’ because it is being done by the UK government!

        Typical SNP double standards.

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        Lundavra September 14, 2014 8:56 am Reply
  • Richard have not heard back from you regarding who you class as leaches? Do not suppose it is bankers or corrupt Westminster MP’s so enlighten us.

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    John in kintyre September 13, 2014 5:01 pm Reply
    • Read the post, I said I wondered!

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      richard September 13, 2014 5:05 pm Reply
  • Like most of the agressive yessers, Grant doesnt have decency to apologise, not unexpected following leader salmond example. When the dignified silent majority speak on thursday i just hope idiots like him and a few others “go home tae think again”, 30 years should do it. If not move to beloved Norway!

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    Fiona mac September 13, 2014 5:08 pm Reply
    • “Like most of the agressive yessers”

      Most you know or more sweepingly, most generally from entire YES supporters nationally?

      Anyway, just to buck the imaginary made up trend, to quote one of those nauseous Americanisms, ‘Have a nice dayyyyyyy’

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      JnrTick September 13, 2014 10:40 pm Reply
    • Please put capital letters in the correct place.

      Ah you are one of the Facists who would exclude people from their country.

      Scots will stay in Scotland thanks but happy to assist any bitter mobster who may feel they cannot live here anymore.
      Another I am a proud apologist Scot but………..

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      No Cheese Here September 14, 2014 12:56 am Reply
  • Not an acceptable answer Richard, let me rephrase who do you wonder are leaches, is this definition included in management seminars as part of the curriculum

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    John in kintyre September 13, 2014 5:10 pm Reply
    • John, your wasting your time, Your cage got rattled last night and I’m not in the mood to take the bait, anyway its time for me to go out, have a frustrating evening.

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      richard September 13, 2014 5:19 pm Reply
      • Have a good night Richard and enjoy yourself among friends but it was you who brought up the “leaches” into the debate and I am still waiting patiently for a definition

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        John in kintyre September 13, 2014 5:41 pm Reply
    • Wouldn’t get too concerned John.
      Superiority complex – A psychological defence mechanism in which feelings of superiority counter or conceal feelings of inferiority.
      Uch we get them, although they bring something along to the debate that makes us feel better about ourselves when we pity them.

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      JnrTick September 13, 2014 10:34 pm Reply
  • http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/13/scottish-independence-survation-poll_n_5815374.html?utm_hp_ref=uk-news
    NO….8. Point Lead.

    Also glad to see the Orange Order march finished without any arrests or bad press.

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    Karl Hughes September 13, 2014 5:21 pm Reply
    • No arrests highly unusual.

      No bricks at police . Mind you it’s not the 12th.

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      No Cheese Here September 14, 2014 12:58 am Reply
      • You usually find that when organisations like the Orange Order, BNP, EDL etc have had marches or demonstrations, the violence tends to come from the allegedly ‘anti-Fascists’ who usually display more characteristics of the Fascists than the people they oppose.

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        Lundavra September 14, 2014 9:03 am Reply
  • It’s simples.

    Don’t let fear decide your fate.

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    Crazy She-Bat September 13, 2014 5:40 pm Reply
    • Given where I am writing this from I am not easily scared. Fear has never dictated a course of action for me,
      I enjoy a controlled dopamine hit….don’t we all ? Those who have felt any intimidation from either side of the argument will cast their vote in the safety and security of the polling booth…
      Lets see ( and hope for the best) what repercussions come after the vote….in Scotland amongst Scots, dont forget approximately half the population are going to be disapointed..

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      Karl Hughes September 13, 2014 6:01 pm Reply
      • In every contest there is disappointment.

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        JnrTick September 13, 2014 10:22 pm Reply
    • I don’t understand this ‘choose hope over fear’ line that gets trotted out. It is insulting to supporters of both campaigns. It is saying that Yes campaigners are just basing their decisions on wing and a prayer without any basis or rational thought. It is then saying the no campaigners are basing their decisions on worry things may or may not be worse.

      If that is all both sides are basing their views on then heaven help us as a country regardless of the result on Thursday. I think people deserve a little more credit.

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      Integrity? September 13, 2014 6:29 pm Reply
      • Unfortunately, it is a reality that there are people out there frightened and don’t know what or who to believe. Let’s face it, politicians are not known to be the most trustworthy of people.

        I am also aware of people out there who are basing their decision on which football team they support. It sickens me, but again, unfortunately it is a reality.

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        Crazy She-Bat September 13, 2014 8:37 pm Reply
        • Well Scotland’s history of divide between the two sides of the old firm (or auld firm if you want to be old school correct!) has influenced too much for too many years. I actually think it is lessening as time goes by but maybe that’s just my personal experience.

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          Integrity? September 13, 2014 9:04 pm Reply
          • Aye, it’s an auspicious moment for the referendum when Glasgow Rangers are in such a mess – shrewd timing by AS!

            🙂

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            Andrew Argyle September 13, 2014 9:42 pm
          • @Andrew

            A know, never gets the credit he deserves.

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            JnrTick September 13, 2014 10:17 pm
        • I’ve for some time now been of the opinion that sectarianism within Scotland is one of the biggest barriers to our independence.
          How this country, that which they were born, educated, raised, live and work, could mean so little, that they could have acquired such contempt for is just incomprehensible, shameful. Their thought process in coming to this extremely momentous decision consisting of nothing more that blind tribalism, catholic / protestant with their identity badge their allegiance to either of the old firm.
          This affliction a usually inherited infantile disorder of the mind.
          And the only cure?
          If full frontal lobotomy is unsuccessful they could try growing up and getting a grip.

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          JnrTick September 13, 2014 10:14 pm Reply
          • Frontal lobotomy? Have you been to the”Sarry Heid” as weel?

            I share your sentiment on sectarianism, though!

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            Andrew Argyle September 13, 2014 10:24 pm
          • Could you not equally argue that sectarianism is one of the big reasons why the full integration of the people of England and Scotland has never been fully realised?

            As someone with no religious affiliation or any particular sense of nationality I have never really understood why people feel such loyalty or get so defensive about a geographical boundary or religious ‘code’

            I have been very fortunate to have travelled widely as a kid and then up until my late 20s after which the birth of my kids meant it was time to settle down a bit. In that time I have always been very interested in the effect of national pride and religion on different cultures but have never actually understood why people find it so influential over their decisions in life. I guess I can understand religious influence more because it applies a degree of code or morality. However geographical boundaries mean very little to me. The world, for me, eould be a better place with less sense of localised place and more sense of acceptance.

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            Integrity? September 13, 2014 10:32 pm
          • Integrity, Religion & Politics mixed with Poverty and you’ll have a War.

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            richard September 13, 2014 11:09 pm
  • Ireland

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    No Cheese Here September 14, 2014 1:00 am Reply
  • ‘Humilating free school meals’….. Really u just cant help yourself. And jnr, yes like most aggressive yessers. I was berated and called an incomer and a white settler at my local community meeting for asking for some policies which will be implemented in the promised land. Helicopters for everyone 😉

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    Fiona mac September 14, 2014 8:51 am Reply
    • Dont worry Fiona, there are some campaigners who are way over the top. Stick to your guns and dont be intimidated as that is their intention. That way you will get universal respect. I suspect most ‘community’ meetings are ‘loaded’ with natural agressors, and therefore not indicative of the real voting intentions which most people keep to themselves. Well done for asking relevant questions.

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      phill September 14, 2014 10:27 am Reply
  • This is as good a place as any I suppose for a small aside. We have farmers in this area who appear to just have some sheep – they produce some lambs then off to market a few months later. I always understood that farmers relied almost totally on grants for this, grants for that, allowances for this, etc etc. I know of two who are staunch yes supporters. Is anyone up to date on what will happen to farmers subject to Independence ?

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    Malcolm Kirk September 14, 2014 9:35 am Reply
    • A friend of mine who farms sheep & beef cattle is terrified that the subsidy/grants will dry up because Scotland will cease to be a member of the EU and will have to reapply which will take a number of years. If membership is then granted it will be on much less favourable terms. He is not remotely reassured by the claims from the Yes campaign that continued EU membership will be a feature of independence as it is out with their control. He genuinely feels that he will go to the wall because cheap EU subsidised imports will make Scottish meat too expensive & uncompetitive.

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      keith stanger September 14, 2014 10:32 am Reply
      • The farming community are bettter off the way we are currently.

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        phill September 14, 2014 2:30 pm Reply
  • Thanks Keith -anyone else got any further info on what will happen to the farming community

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    Malcolm Kirk September 14, 2014 11:35 am Reply
  • I think newsie should be concerned that there are only two people following ForArgyll with any knowledge on the farming industry post Independence – and this a rural area too ? ?

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    Malcolm Kirk September 14, 2014 5:12 pm Reply
    • There was an article in the Scottie a couple of weeks ago interviewing two farmers, one just North and one just South of the border – only a few hundred yards apart. Both raise Aberdeen Angus cattle. Both get the EU subsidies. But the Scottish farmer is currently getting a better price for his beef than his neighbour because he can say that it’s “Scottish” Aberdeen Angus.

      Q: Post-independence, what would change for these two farmers, in the event that the Scottish farmer was no longer in receipt of EU subsidies but the UK farmer still was?

      Another article in today’s Scottie: Scotch whisky and Irish whiskey.

      Q: Post-independence, would Scotch whisky be subject to duties and taxes to import it into the UK, whereas Irish whiskey would not?

      I merely ask.

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      ClootieDumpling September 15, 2014 11:19 pm Reply
  • Slightly off topic folks however, I asked on this forum about a 50.5% in favour of independence and whether it would stand, some thought it a strange question and easy to answer.
    Has anyone heard the recent comments from unionist Labour man Lord Robertson advising a narrow YES vote may not mean independence?
    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/ukip-and-robertson-narrow-yes-vote-may-not-mean-independence.25313695

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    JnrTick September 14, 2014 9:32 pm Reply
    • Fair points. Have you ever considered JnrTick how hollow a ‘victory’ you would have with 51% voting for indy?

      Leaving virtually a full half of the electorate against it?

      INdependence will not happen this time round – you and the Yes campaign have categorically failed to make the case. Had you done so, you should have been looking at 70% support. As it happens, you’re scrabbling despertely to try get you over the line.

      Little wonder comments like this come about.

      Independence by concensus is what you and the SNP should have aimed for, not by division.

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      Jamie Black September 14, 2014 10:04 pm Reply
  • Checking with Mike Russell’s office in Dunoon (on a constituency matter) was told that he was in Oban on Wed. 17th . Thought I might catch him in “Yes” shop, parked outside said shop on single yellow line knowing that the multitude of “yes” vehicles parked without paying would have to vacate a space eventually, in the mean time an elderly guy came out of the “yes ” shop, stood at the back door of my car and started to smoke a fag as if it was timed, I politely asked him to refrain from filling my car with his smoke, he moved up the pavement fine! A wee while later he emerged from the “yes” shop sauntered down the street, turned round and photographed me in my car parked there? managed to park car legally, crossed to shop, no Rustler but could that guy explain taking my photo and delete it others arrive, if your going to argue please leave, not arguing, need explanation, roughly he’s a stupid old twat and an embarrassment to the cause, so what he should be in care, delete the photos, why were they taken, in case I needed evidence?? reported to police ! Fine that evening mike Russell and mr reid on oban fm lodged phone question with station, no phone questions , bad, bad operation Oban FM. Any way having travelled the not so funny walk up and down the town (Oban) for the last week or so being badgered by all sorts of tartan clad clowns with as much idea about the referendum as jnr tic about buckfast . I spotted the hallowed mr Russell in upper George street, found him in the “yes” shop, my MSP in my constituency, approached him regarding a flawed local council situation for which he was responsible, under direction from sturgeon and salmond (threats of loosing votes)It’s taken a long time under the FOA to compile all docs involved, but I have them now. But mr Russell shouted me down “this is totally “inappropriate” attracting cohorts this is the “yes” shop ? this is my MSP in his constituency

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    wee fat guy September 19, 2014 8:22 pm Reply
    • to continue from above, this is my MSP in his constituency encouraging his flock to accost and annoy members of the public the length and breadth of the town in his constituency (without taking sides “no” people in Gibralter street were much less annoying) not willing to discuss a local matter with a constituent, I then saw his back as I was threatened with the polis and was almost bodily escorted out by some pigeon chested 25 year old action man from Dunoon addressing me as “buddy and mate” I got his name but almost immediately forgot it. He honestly does not realise how lucky he was that I believe in intelligence over violence and would rather a few afternoon pints with my friends than nursing sore knuckles being questioned in the polis station. I will find out what, if any expenses Russell claimed for his 2 days in Oban on a radio phone in with no phone calls and parading the streets of his constituency choosing who to speak to .I am now waiting for confirmation of an appointment in his soroba road surgery,for safety reasons I think I be accompanied by another, watch this space

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      wee fat guy September 20, 2014 12:06 pm Reply
      • The behaviour of the some of the SNP supporters in Oban certainly helped the No vote.

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        Lowry September 20, 2014 1:14 pm Reply

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