Cameron, Miliband AND Clegg all on the way north

Prime Minister David Cameron and Deputy Prime Minister, Nick Clegg and Labour Leader Ed Miliband are coming north tomorrow,10th September, to save the Union – they fondly imagine.

They have even made the ultimate sacrifice enable them to take up this challenge – abandoned this weeks Prime Minister’s Questions at the House of Commons.

This appears to be planned as personally delivered pleas from the heart.

The BBC political editor, Nick Robinson, is reported as describing this momentous coming manifestation as ‘hugely significant’.

He’s right, It is.

It will finish off the Union’s chances of survival.

You can only laugh.

All we need now is Tony Blair.

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  • 3 cheers from the YES campaign
    Hip Hip Hooray

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    Hunchy September 9, 2014 1:34 pm Reply
  • If only Boris would come up to put it all to bed

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    John in kintyre September 9, 2014 1:53 pm Reply
  • Nigel Farage is also doing his bit for the campaign. That should get some more Yes voters. I actually feel sorry for England, because if we do get Independence, they will be stuck with this moron all to themselves.

    Be prepared for an emergency visit from the Queen in the next week too folks.

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    Crazy She-Bat September 9, 2014 2:20 pm Reply
    • I am no fan of Nigel Farage but I hardly think that someone who had a successful business career for many years then brought a political party from nowhere to success in the European election, and quite possibly in the UK elections next year, can be considered a moron. He can be a very good debater without resorting to just shouting now opponents like one moron.

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      Lundavra September 10, 2014 12:23 pm Reply
  • Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. One way – ‘they don’t care’, the other ‘stop meddling’.

    It’s a win-win for the Yes campaigns negativity spin machine!

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    Jamie Black September 9, 2014 2:32 pm Reply
    • They are making it up as they go along Jamie – policies on the hoof.

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      Simon September 9, 2014 2:40 pm Reply
      • True, – it’s the SNP modus operandi! > corroboration?!

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        Jamie Black September 9, 2014 3:22 pm Reply
  • This reeks of panic and desperation – and that’s because it is panic and desperation. It’s as if these muppets have just realised how popular the ‘Yes’ vote is to people in Scotland.

    I guess we can all expect much more intense fearmongering from these three as well as the ‘rebadged’ Gordon Brown and anyone else they can press into their cause.

    Except strangely Alasdair Darling who appears now to have been air-brushed out of the picture. Is he now considered a liability to the ‘No ‘ vote?

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    Simon September 9, 2014 2:38 pm Reply
    • Schadenfreude isn’t something we should gloat about but I’m enjoying watching Brown and Darling desperately defending the union because of their (Labour’s) role within it, whilst at the same time securing David Cameron’s employment of Prime Minister of the UK, Labour can’t do right for doing wrong.
      This is a direct consequence of their input should our nightmares become reality and a NO vote is returned on the 18th.

      The swashbuckling three muppeteers riding up here tomorrow to save the day better have, given the lack of notice, condensed the rehearsals before the curtain lifts as up until now Milliband’s and Cameron’s solo contributions have spectacularly flopped.

      I may be being overly optimistic, however, what is there left that Better Together can do to rescue England from having to accommodate and fund the replacement of Trident? What else can they do to ensure the unnecessary costly House of Lords continues so they when their time is up as MPs can milk the title and financial enhancements of being part of? Very little without doing more damage is the answer and this just reinforces the argument for us taking the tough forward thinking decision and voting for a situation that best suits this country, Scotland.

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      JnrTick September 10, 2014 12:22 am Reply
  • Remains to be seen what impact these guys have with a week to go, but their parachuting in tomorrow reflects the all pervading apathy/ disinterest of Westminster to the Independence issue and its consequences for the UK.

    It is refreshing to see Carney, Governor of the BOE telling it as it is that an independent Scotland will not be able to keep the pound, because it will be “incompatible with sovereignty”.

    Why this late in the campaign?

    Carney is only echoing the comments of Paul Krugman,Alex S’ favourite Nobel prize winning economist,when he stated in the New York Times yesterday
    ++
    … an independent Scotland using Britain’s pound would be in even worse shape than euro countries, which at least have some say in how the European Central Bank is run.

    I find it mind-boggling that Scotland would consider going down this path after all that has happened in the last few years. If Scottish voters really believe that it’s safe to become a country without a currency, they have been badly misled
    ++

    Alex S cant get,and wont get sterling or a sterling union.
    He has repeatedly misled the Scottish YES campaign by conning it to believe that UK Govt ahat UK was bluffing when it stated a sterling union is not gonna happen.

    So all you YES guys who have deluded yourselves into believing that an Independent Scotland will have honest government from Alex S, and his cabal, need a reality check, as between now and the 18th, Alex S is not gonna fess-up to the Scottish electorate that he has no credible currency option.

    Until he does, voting NO is the only credible option.

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    rob trythall September 9, 2014 2:41 pm Reply
    • You obviously haven’t heard Kevin Bridges idea – we have our own currency and we call it “Smackaroonies”.

      Seriously though, I have no problem switching to a Euro and I’m sure the millions of European visitors that come here each year would be quite happy if we do.

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      Crazy She-Bat September 9, 2014 2:45 pm Reply
      • And just how do you propose an Independent Scotland switches to the Euro?

        I assume:-
        (1) you are aware that that Alex S has stated NO to the Euro.

        (2) an Independent Scotland would be required to have a Reserve Bank before it could even apply to join the EU.

        “Smackaroonies” might just be what an Independent Scotland will be left with.

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        rob trythall September 9, 2014 2:54 pm Reply
        • Rob, most farmers in Scotland with Dairy herds face up to 5p a litre cut starting in a month’s time, I hope the SNP promises on the EU are accurate.

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          richard September 9, 2014 3:05 pm Reply
        • I love how all the pro-unionists like to try and scare people with the idea that if we vote for Independence, we won’t be left with a pot to pee in.

          Stick to the facts. We have resources ya know.

          I have no issue staying with Sterling or switching to the Euro and I am sure that we will have time to get these set up between the referendum and actual Freedom Day.

          I do not require everything to be set in stone at this moment. I am able to decide my vote on the fact that Independence would give us options.

          Options that we are not given being part of the UK and never will be when we allow a foreign government to rule us.

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          Crazy She-Bat September 9, 2014 3:25 pm Reply
          • Presumably you do not have a mortgage of any other form of borrowing that was issued in Pounds Sterling?

            If you did, you’d know that you would be stuffed with currency variations and transaction costs in paying these in the currency you took them in.

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            Jamie Black September 9, 2014 3:34 pm
          • Did you know that there are videos on the internet of people going to Bureau de Change and getting an exchange rate on Scottish Pounds already? Including one from London where the guy gives an exchange rate for changing English pounds to Scottish?

            As I said, I am sure there are ways to sort this out. We are not the first country in history to go for Independence.

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            Crazy She-Bat September 9, 2014 3:48 pm
          • CSB – I think it’s the old story of the money changer needing to make a profit, either way.

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            Robert Wakeham September 9, 2014 4:27 pm
          • And how long do you think it will take to get to this so called “Freedom day”.

            Alex S thinks 18 mos

            Business incl Scottish Business say minimum 3 years.

            EU Commission says 5 yrs and right now is not guaranteeing entry

            Remember if it is a YES, rU K does not have to dance to Alex S’ tune,in his time, or at his dance hall.

            Matter of interest what are these options you assume Independence will give you ?

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            rob trythall September 9, 2014 6:07 pm
          • Mr Trythall, reference; “options you assume Independence will give you ?” Independence will give Scotland nothing but highly conditional membership of the European Union, a state of exceptionally poor quid pro quo for the inhabitants of Scotland. Analogy; a safe harbour for a lee shore.

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            1707 September 9, 2014 9:13 pm
        • Why would Scotland ‘apply to join’ the EU. Most of us have realised by now that we’re already members.

          It’s been a little amusing to see various Westminster politicians suggest that international laws (formed by treaty obligations) would prevent Scotland doing X, Y or Z, therefore accepting that Scotland would be bound by those treaties but somehow also arguing that Scotland would not be bound by it’s treaty obligation of EU membership.

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          russell September 9, 2014 9:33 pm Reply
          • You haven’t been paying attention, russell – a new country would have to apply to join – and Scotland’s case could set a precedent for others, eg. Catalunya, so it might not be quite as straightforward as some would like to believe.

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            Robert Wakeham September 9, 2014 9:39 pm
          • @ Robert

            Scotland, albeit within the UK has fulfilled to date and complied with EU regulations, has complied throughout membership. Other’s seeking membership haven’t which is what makes this situation without precedent.
            Little is written in stone, negotiations will prevail in with Scotland’s best interests properly represented.

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            JnrTick September 10, 2014 12:39 am
    • Given you’ve quoted only a headline, and not commented on the Governor of the Bank of England’s actual comments, I’m guessing you never listened to them.

      As for Krugman, his comments were directed much more at Spain than at Scotland, as anyone who actually reads his stuff regularly would have realised.

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      russell September 9, 2014 9:30 pm Reply
    • ‘It is refreshing to see Carney, Governor of the BOE telling it as it is that an independent Scotland will not be able to keep the pound, because it will be “incompatible with sovereignty”.

      Why this late in the campaign?’

      But he and everyone else (except the SNP and a few cronies) have been saying that all along. It has always been obvious to anyone with a bit of common sense.

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      Lundavra September 10, 2014 12:26 pm Reply
      • Lundavra, Unfortunately it seems that it is a waste of time trying to put forward a logical explanation on any thing the SNP do not like, instead of being honest and answering the points raised they shout and scream, twist it around as an attack by Westminster and the Tory English.

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        richard September 10, 2014 12:52 pm Reply
  • This panic reaction from the UK party leaders rather suggests that the private polls being taken reveal a bigger ‘Yes’ vote than the public polls we are hearing about.

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    Simon September 9, 2014 2:57 pm Reply
    • Going by the demeanour and body language of quite a few of the high profile members of the No campaign, the signs were there as much as about ten days ago.

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      Chuck September 9, 2014 5:28 pm Reply
  • As I stated elsewhere, I disagree about there being any panic – the UK Government have waited until jsut the moment that suits them to play their hand.

    The SNP had two years and made a mess of it. Look what’s happening – amid all the poll hysteria, there is a HUGE amount of attention now on what a No vote means – and it’s good news.

    The YeSNP are desperately trying to create a diversion, but the reality is that in the week that markets got the jitters, Mark Carney told that a Currency Union wouldn’t happen, all their chickens are coming home to roost.

    The Yes campaign are now putting a brave face on it – I feel sorry for them. They’ve been monumentally let down by their own leadership – Alex Salmond talks a good talk, but nothing he says stands up to scrutiny. He’ll be having a good laugh at the instability he has caused…oh wait…Alex Salmond…79 Group? yup…

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    Jamie Black September 9, 2014 3:06 pm Reply
    • Keep kidding yourself Jamie

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      Longshanks September 9, 2014 3:10 pm Reply
      • We’ll see next week who was kidding who!

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        Jamie Black September 9, 2014 3:12 pm Reply
    • Salmond and the 79 group, look who the others were! Where are they now?

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      richard September 9, 2014 3:11 pm Reply
      • 79 group?.
        What is your point. Alex Salmond is First Minister of Scotland. Keep up rickets only 35 years ago!,

        Life moves on –the Empire is dead

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        No Cheese Here September 9, 2014 3:52 pm Reply
        • What do they say about leopards and spots?

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          Jamie Black September 9, 2014 3:53 pm Reply
          • Jamie

            Your beginning to lose it.

            Sleepless night are terrible I’ve heard still I see that as a Patriot you are transferring your monies around!
            I just signed the petition “The electoral commission: Investigate Better Together “New Advice”” on Change.org.

            It’s important. Will you sign it too? Here’s the link:

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            Thanks,

            I believe that decisions about Scotland’s future are best taken by the people who most care about Scotland, that is the people who live and work in Scotland. Being independent means Scotland’s future will be in Scotland’s hands.
            For the truth behind Better Together scare stories: http://www.wingsoverscotland.com and http://www.newsnetscotland.com

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            No Cheese Here September 9, 2014 4:00 pm
          • So, let’s think about this.

            You have stated elsewhere that the Yes campaign will win 58% of the vote.

            That’s great news for you, huge lead, no way it will be changed in 10days.

            Why then do you give a hoot about what BT are doing? By your own reckoning they have lost it bla bla bla.

            It doesn’t add up NCH. In short – you’re winning (apparantly), but it’s still not fair?! Come on – when will you admit that the Yes vote it lost? You can’t seriously be kicking and screaming about your supposed big victory?

            Who’s losing it? Who’s kiding who?! (I sound like Anne Robinson!)

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            Jamie Black September 9, 2014 4:49 pm
          • NCH hasn’t added up, for as long as I can remember.

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            Robert Wakeham September 9, 2014 5:14 pm
        • @ NCH it was 35 years ago that salmond and his cronies gave us thatcher and approx 18 years of tory rule, did you and yours enjoy that?

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          Sokay September 10, 2014 4:48 pm Reply
    • Move along , nothing too see here
      Comical Ali
      Everything going to plan
      3 amigos arriving to crush the rebellion along with the Orange order and Nigel Farage
      I can see why you think YES are doomed

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      Hunchy September 9, 2014 3:15 pm Reply
      • The Queen must have had Cameron’s arse skelped raw when he’s come running in with the other two stooges.

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        Murdoch MacKenzie September 9, 2014 4:33 pm Reply
    • Mark Carney is a foreign employee of the Bank of England. Scotland owns a big part of it. Tail dog wag?

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      Murdoch MacKenzie September 9, 2014 4:30 pm Reply
  • Why do posters on here keep referring to Alex Salmond won’t get this or that? Surely it will be up to the new elected Scottish Government to arrange some of the discussions and decisions. Also, seemingly the bbc has changed the results of a recent poll to suit their bias reporting. So much for Cameron telling us all a few months ago that he will stay out of all this, as it’s up to the Scottish voters to decide their future.

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    Dunoon Lad September 9, 2014 3:14 pm Reply
    • There would be no newly elected government – it would have been the SNP, lead by Salmond.

      Remember, the SNP didn’t have the balls to offer a fresh election post a Yes vote to ensure the government making negotiations had a valid and fresh mandate. No party stated how they would run an independent Scotland at the last election.

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      Jamie Black September 9, 2014 3:20 pm Reply
      • What use would a fresh election immediately post YES be?

        The SNP have been planning for a YES vote for three years. The other parties have been planning for a NO vote. They would not have a manifesto of any kind suited to the new situation.

        Hopefully SLAB, SCON and SLIB will have got over their collective shock by May 2016 and will be able to put forward some credible policies, but the idea of fresh Scottish elections immediately post-YES is just silly Jamie.

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        Longshanks September 9, 2014 8:49 pm Reply
        • You think? Given that the manifesto commitments made by all parties at the last elections setout their plans for Scotland as part of the UK, it’s safe and fair to say that with a seismic shift in the landscape, no party would have a democratic mandate to make any decisions on behalf of the electorate.

          That’s an undeniable fact – were a Yes to to happen, the first thing that should follow would be immediate elections, each party setting out their vision for an independent Scotland. No party has done that yet (althoug of course, you could argue the SNP have by the back door).

          It’s absolutely not silly to suggest that, in fact Longshanks, I suspect that you and I should be finding common ground here – you want a more democratic Scotland? The government we vote for? Then we must, absolutely must have elections immeditely post a Yes vote. As you, JnrTick and so many have pointed out a Yes vote is not a vote for the SNP – time to put your money where your mouth is. if you do not, then the SNP will shape an independent Scotland the way they choose, with no mandate. A poor start to independence, wouldn’t you say?

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          Jamie Black September 9, 2014 9:55 pm Reply
  • People should consider why Westminster would have made their timetable commitments any earlier than they have?

    Very clever – avoided purdah but have a lot of attention on their offer by announcing the ‘timetable’ for what they already announced. The SNP have missed a trick here. All focus is on what staying in the UK will offer.

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    Jamie Black September 9, 2014 3:17 pm Reply
    • This way they’ll lose out on the chance to change the opinions expressed in the several hundred thousand postal votes which have already been cast.

      That’s a cunning plan that even Baldrick would be hard pushed to match.

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      Chuck September 9, 2014 3:41 pm Reply
      • Don’t insult Baldrick.

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        Robert Wakeham September 9, 2014 5:05 pm Reply
      • True, but those people have chosen or had to make their decision before hearing the end of the debate.

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        Jamie Black September 9, 2014 9:58 pm Reply
  • From an insider spy. The internal polls from the NO’s show a defeat by 58% to 46% thanks to folk voting for the first time in 20 years.

    That’s the panic for the three amigo’s arriving on an away day trip. I presume the UK expenses will cover their jaunt.
    Osbornes response on Sunday was not for our benefit ie the Scots but to show the nice financiers in London how good we have been to deserve some new tax powers.

    Not the assets of course they still go South to be wasted.
    I just signed the petition “The electoral commission: Investigate Better Together “New Advice”” on Change.org.

    It’s important. Will you sign it too? Here’s the link:

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    I believe that decisions about Scotland’s future are best taken by the people who most care about Scotland, that is the people who live and work in Scotland. Being independent means Scotland’s future will be in Scotland’s hands.
    For the truth behind Better Together scare stories: http://www.wingsoverscotland.com and http://www.newsnetscotland.com

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    No Cheese Here September 9, 2014 3:58 pm Reply
  • This bunch if snake oil salesmen will put the tin hat on things.

    It’ll be like the goon show d .and Monty Python

    But where’s BoJo and his pal Nigel?

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    willie September 9, 2014 4:36 pm Reply
    • ‘…and old Uncle Alex and all.

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      Robert Wakeham September 9, 2014 5:10 pm Reply
  • Is this Plan A or Plan B??

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    argyllscot September 9, 2014 4:55 pm Reply
  • The Unionist Parties have offered nothing but cuts to benefits. I have been trying for years to get a suitable job only to find that now you have to take anything on offer or lose your benefits. Salmond has promised to increase the benefits package available in an independent Scotland. Independence is the only option.

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    James Livingston September 9, 2014 5:32 pm Reply
  • In today’s Times Hugo Rifkind has an article on ‘What Not Say To Save The Union’. In his list of 20 things not to do he has way down the list he has some predictable enteries – ‘Don’t mention the Krankies’, ‘Don’t joke about the Highland fling’, Don’t mention the Royal Baby’.

    But right up there at number 2 is ‘Don’t suggest that David Cameron should go up there and start trying to persuade people in person’. Whilst at Number 3 he says and ‘Don’t suggest that Ed Milliband should go either’.

    Fair enough it was a tongue-in-cheek article and he might have been trying to be funny but even he never suggested that Nick Clegg might come up – what three privately educated establishment toffs coming up to tell the scots how they should vote – obviously that would have been stretching humorous licence too far. 🙂

    ps If it’ really is Better Together how come they are campaigning separately??

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    Simon September 9, 2014 5:36 pm Reply
  • I can see at least one person losing their job over the referendum. Some poor wee soul at SKY will be collecting a P45 this week for this gaff.

    https://www.facebook.com/244057958938120/photos/a.244286662248583.74793.244057958938120/867352599941983/?type=1

    Which side is David Cameron campaigning for?

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    Crazy She-Bat September 9, 2014 5:44 pm Reply
    • Rupert Murdoch will have his little jokes.

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      Robert Wakeham September 9, 2014 6:11 pm Reply
  • I notice the flag now flying over No 10 is faulty. It does not have a YES on it.

    I wrote most of the below elsewhere and note I did not receive the usual quota of REDS from the folk defending the current state. So here’s another chance.

    A funny thing happened at the weekend. I was at a breakfast down south, the morning after a wedding. As the tame Scot at the table of around 20, the talk obviously turned political.
    One of the guests does ‘something’ in London and regaled us of how parliament ended the week, given the UK is facing the final nail in its corrupt coffin.

    The most important debate was about Puppies and Kittens (you could not make this up) and a law to control their sale.
    Much of the chatter related to the Speaker and his failed effort to employ an unskilled person at a salary of 200,000 pounds per annum. Apparently his wife thinks the candidate is ‘our type of person’.
    Finally, MP’s awarded themselves a 9% pay rise.

    I suppose we should be grateful the UK’s political classes are taking Scotland so seriously. Last time they felt threatened when shipyard workers wanted a 40 hour week, heavily armed troops and tanks were sent to George Square, Glasgow to intimidate the Scottish workers. It was 1919 and they feared revolution.
    Now, we get puppies and kittens. It’s quite cute really.

    Independence from Westminster seems rather more than a Scottish ambition and I can’t blame people for wanting regime change. Who knows, an independent Scotland may prove a breath of fresh air to England.

    The disgust I heard about MP’s closing ranks to protect in-house paedophiles, seeing the information simply as a valuable blackmail tool has horrified. And coming so soon after their grubby expenses fraud and cover up tends to suggest the impending loss of Scotland may be the start of a complete collapse down south. Rather similar to the sudden end of the USSR.

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    Grant MacDonald September 9, 2014 6:12 pm Reply
    • Grant, what about the Magic Circle/Fettesgate in Edinburgh,
      gosh what a small world! Then of course there are the questions still not fully answered about the 1 st Ministers Expenses.
      The speaker has been challenged and is struggling to justify the appointment, 9% increase, how about the rest of the story, changes to the total package including pensions etc

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      richard September 9, 2014 8:21 pm Reply
      • C’mon, defend the Puppies and Kittens too. I was listening to the utter distaste people have IN ENGLAND to a corrupt government.

        Not sure whether its fiddling while Rome burns or a simile with the crew of Douglas Adams fated starship in the fourth part of his trilogy…

        Rather than trying to score silly points and justify the behaviour of Westminster, why not explain to me why you feel their behaviour defensible?
        The utter loathing for Westminster being expressed around that breakfast table in Esher really makes me wonder about your response.

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        Grant MacDonald September 9, 2014 9:04 pm Reply
        • GM your descriptions of polite society in middle England remind me of some of those tv comedy sketches inspired by just such a scenario, but I don’t think that you can draw quite so much meaning from them – unless, of course, you’re a po-faced, humourless little-Scotlander, and were being wound up?

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          Robert Wakeham September 9, 2014 9:34 pm Reply
        • I suggest you look up back bench business for the chamber for the 4th September, then you’ll be able to make an informed comment on the E petition being discussed. I don’t need to justify or defend Westminster, I am sure you will remember that MP’s have been imprisoned for expenses fraud.
          As for my reply it’s not point scoring as you call it, it’s just stating the facts, you should start asking people outside the central belt their opinion of Holyrood, you’ll get similar answers.
          Grant, you seem to have a problem with England, perhaps you could tell us what it is?

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          richard September 9, 2014 10:20 pm Reply
  • Nationalists need appeasement if they are to be silenced and Mr Salmonds
    strategy has been cunning. Westminster had thought it could anaesthetise Scottish nationalism with cash, Mr Salmond has subsidised student fees, given free prescriptions and free care for the elderly. He froze council tax, showing that he may want devolution to Scotland but would not tolerate devolution within it. He has maintained some spending on capital works, with help from Europe, and given his people the illusion that money grows on trees. He has milked Westminster, and Westminster has allowed itself to be milked, terrified of partition.
    Salmond bided his time. He held off on an independence referendum for as long as the polls suggested it would not generate an end to its union.
    A Westminster political game is to think up reasons why an independent Scotland made no sense, right up to the 11th hour mostly based rightly on fiscal autonomy. It was money and trade, that browbeat the Scots into the union in 1707, and money or the lack of it, will most certainly dominate the painful exit. There will be a semi collapse of sterling south of the border and at some stage a total panic to the north. The European Union whose roots are firmly planted in Germany’s greater goal of fiscal control of Europe (Fiscal imperialism not fiscal unity) will bail Scotland out. This is however the downfall of Salmonds plans, he will be forced to accept rule from Europe. Europe will control Scotland’s purse strings and negate true home rule. Germany is well versed in ultra-nationalism and as an affect of past events, knows that England would have done better to think of reasons why Salmond Scottish nationalism should not have got just what he wanted, but what he deserved. Germany knows that England would have done well to recognised histories message in regards to nationalism rooted in poor unbalanced unity.
    If the Scots wanted to manage their own affairs, England should not have complained. Westminster has inadvertently supported and funded the breaking of the union. It refuses even to repatriate corporation tax, the key to most small-country economic revivals and therefore the balanced wealth that suppresses nationalism, another failing on the part of Westminster.
    The saga now unfolding north of the English border will have painful consequences for the people of the union. The remaining United Kingdom will survive the approaching storm, whereas Scotland will switch its allegiances and governance to the European Union.

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    1707 September 9, 2014 6:34 pm Reply
  • The collapse of the USSR is maybe not a bad analogy.

    fUK is in serious economic difficulty. The time for spending hundreds of billions on Trident or aircraft carriers without planes has gone.

    It’s time for change and the dogs in the street know it.

    And the goon show tomorrow, well that will only cement the decision.

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    willie September 9, 2014 7:00 pm Reply
    • It takes a goon to know one.

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      Robert Wakeham September 9, 2014 7:10 pm Reply
    • Using the collapse of the USSR is not a bad analogy, it is a totally absurd analogy.
      The United Kingdom will stay autonomous from Europe, Scotland will be answerable to Europe. The remaining members of the United Kingdom will survive well after the Union ends.I have no thoughts on weapons of mass destruction other than fiscal, the moneys that are currently spent on Trident, will continue to be spent on Trident elsewhere. As for the thoughts of canines one would have to live with dogs for a great length of time to beware or even relate to their intellect. In your reference to the “Goon Show” I suggest you research the intelligence of the original members of the Goon show prior to making any assumptions or again comparisons.

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      1707 September 9, 2014 7:22 pm Reply
  • Isn’t the panic in those who are trying, desperately, to deride the arrival in Scotland of the three UK “organ grinders” who will, doubtless, announce a joint plan for the content of the legislation that will be delivered according to Gordon Brown’s proposed timetable?

    They know in their hearts that Westminster has kept its serious powder dry, in case it was needed.

    “Bring back Alasdair Darling!”, they clamour.

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    Andrew Argyle September 9, 2014 7:06 pm Reply
    • Dry powder? Cameron, Clegg and Millipede?

      You’re having a laugh, aren’t you?

      Have you seen the latest approval ratings for the three amigos? They are as welcome up here as a fart in a spacesuit.

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      Longshanks September 9, 2014 8:57 pm Reply
      • They are welcome, as is anyone. We’re a tolerant people in Scotland.

        Who are you to suggest anyone is not welcome in our country? To suggest people are not welcome because of their politics…well..says it all about you longshanks.

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        Jamie Black September 9, 2014 10:10 pm Reply
        • @Jamie Black
          Wasn’t Longshanks making an observation then deducing how poorly they would be received based on popularity ratings?
          Is the stress of watching what is unfolding in this referendum that being the that the NO vote is feebly collapsing like a deck of cards affecting your judgement?

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          JnrTick September 10, 2014 1:20 am Reply
          • You could be right JnrTick, but given Longhanks record, i do think he means they re not in his eyes, welcome.

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            Jamie Black September 10, 2014 6:56 am
        • even genuine travelling folk Scottish, Irish Welsh or English? glad you’ve changed your mind Jamie?

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          Sokay September 10, 2014 2:22 pm Reply
          • ah sokay, dearest! We’ll get no further on that one, maybe we can discuss over a watermelon juice sometime and i’ll put you right :-p

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            Jamie Black September 11, 2014 12:37 pm
    • “…the three UK “organ grinders” who will, doubtless, announce a joint plan…” – hmm. They aren’t even going to appear anywhere together apparently, so that seems a little unlikely, unless they are going to make a joint announcement, er, separately…

      The three Holyrood opposition leaders DID appear together this morning, to back Gordon Brown’s timetable. However, it was clear (to the extent that even the BBC kept emphasising it) that there was no new substance to add to the paltry offerings they made in the Spring. The hilariously mis-timed ‘spontaneous’ applause from the crowd said it all.

      All day long, BBC News has been breathlessly announcing as its lead item that the three main party leaders would be taking the ‘unprecedented’ step of forgoing PMQs to conduct an impromptu ‘save the union’ tour.

      Whoop-de-do! Who knew Scotland was so important that they would actually miss an episode of their weekly Commons bunfight to come visit?

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      Tim McIntyre September 9, 2014 10:45 pm Reply
      • Hi Tim,

        If you were Cameron, Clegg and Miliband, faced with getting yourself into the history books for presiding over the break-up of the United Kingdom, what would YOU do?

        Personally, faced with the abyss, I’d offer anything within reason to keep the UK together.

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        Andrew Argyle September 10, 2014 7:36 am Reply
  • The Goon Show like Monty Python was created by individuals were gifted intellectually and artistically.

    Don’t think you can say the same about the current Goon Show of Cameron, Milliband and Clegg.

    But who cares, what is important is that Scotland transits to a fairer, more equal, more prosperous society.

    And the Goons. Well there is always room for humour.

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    willie September 9, 2014 8:21 pm Reply
    • Two poor analogies. I see no room for humour when millions of people stand to suffer and the elite we support again, as ever, will prosper off the back of the common man. With intellect and forethought there is still time to seize the initiative and de-centralise the entire United Kingdom, Westminster and Edinburgh has never been so wide open to change as in this moment in time. Scotland’s electorate have the initiative, but the choice as to which way to vote must be prudent if you are to educate a generally political elite, narcissistic political elite. We all need governance if we do not want anarchy and, the way in which you intent this governance to continue has nothing to do with de-unification and everything to do with unity.

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      1707 September 9, 2014 8:40 pm Reply
  • ‘All we need is Tony Blair’ – please, please don’t tempt providence.
    As it is, I’m surprised that the Fabulous Three aren’t bringing Boris the Bounder along with them, as it could be dangerous leaving him in London to amuse himself while they’re all up here.

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    Robert Wakeham September 9, 2014 9:49 pm Reply
    • You sound as if you are no fan of Boris. Have you discounted the possibility having heard of Boris’s return to politics in attempting to gain a seat in parliament, that he may one day stand and be chosen as Conservative leader, perhaps one day leader of the UK should a NO vote be returned? Scotland would possibly have to be governed by the man who says, “A pound spent in Croydon is of far more value to the country than a pound spent in Strathclyde,”
      Add to this possibility the thought that Boris’s Tories might form a coalition with Nige’s kippers.
      Did you mention you were voting against Scotland’s independence?

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      JnrTick September 10, 2014 1:06 am Reply
  • Reports from Alan Reid MP’s meeting in Campbeltown this evening are that he presented an overwhelming case for Scotland remaining in the UK and ably answered all questions with good humour against nationalist opponents whose antics backfired spectacularly . Councillor Rory Colville was superb as Chairman .

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    Islay for ever September 9, 2014 10:15 pm Reply
    • Islay, thanks for that, I couldn’t make the meeting so it’s nice to hear a report.

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      richard September 9, 2014 10:27 pm Reply
  • I recall Newsie that you have often said that the current SNP government are not up to the job of leading an independent Scotland. Would this not also apply to the Westminster Establishment?

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    Graeme McCormick September 9, 2014 10:43 pm Reply
  • “How fortunate for leaders that men do not think.”
    Adolf Hitler

    “It is always the best policy to speak the truth – unless, of course, you are an exceptionally good liar.”
    Jerome K. Jerome

    “Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.”
    Plato

    “If you can’t convince them, confuse them.”
    Harry S. Truman

    Thank you to the friend you gave me that little book “Sod Calm & Get Angry”.
    Full of quotable quotes.

    Extrapolate or interpolate as you will, but get your own copy!!

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    ClootieDumpling September 9, 2014 11:13 pm Reply
  • “Labour voters and members joining LFI and Yes have left Scottish Labour a little light of volunteers, an email sent to one of our supporters ”

    Subj: London Calling: Help us save the Union

    Dear friend,
    In just 8 days’ time Scotland will vote on whether to stay part of the
    United Kingdom. If Scotland votes for independence, we’ll all be worse off.
    London is home to 300,000 Scots –making it the third biggest Scottish city in
    the world. Independence will rip apart our city, and leave our shared
    values weaker both sides of the border.
    Can you join me to phone undecided voters in Scotland on Wednesday?
    I will be at a phoning undecided voters in Scotland with Chuka Umunna MP
    and Emily Thornberry MP on Wednesday, 6pm-8pm at Labour Party Head Office,
    One Brewer’s Green, SW1H 0RH. For further information or to attend, please
    contact Kylie Hammond at _kylie_hammond@labour.org.uk_
    (mailto:kylie_hammond@labour.org.uk) .
    Can you make calls from home?
    If you can’t make the phone banks in Labour Party Head Office this week,
    the new virtual phone bank tool is also available. How to make calls:
    1. Go to _http://www.scottishlabour.org.uk/page/votercontact/login_
    (http://www.labourinlondon.org.uk/r?u=http://www.scottishlabour.org.uk/page/vo
    tercontact/login&utm_campaign=save_the_union&n=1&e=ffd4feae08f21e55dc2fa5f2b
    7024864672688d1&utm_source=londonregion&utm_medium=email)
    2. Register by entering the requested details. The email address
    you use needs to be the one you have used with your Labour Party membership,
    otherwise your details will not be recognised.
    3. Once you’ve successfully registered, click on the “Get Started”
    button for the “Scottish Referendum Target Calling” option.
    4. You should then be presented with a pop-up window where you need
    to click the “I’m Ready” button.

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    John Sinclair September 9, 2014 11:24 pm Reply
  • someone answer one question – why did AS call it an ‘election’ today ??
    OED definition – A formal and organized choice by vote of a person for a political office or other position:
    It really should not be about Mr Salmond, and he has said as much – but where did he forget it should not be about him ?
    And I’m still waiitng for answers on the basics from the proposers.
    Maybe it’s not the right time for a referendum if the answers aren’t on offer ?

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    zak September 10, 2014 12:08 am Reply
    • Zak, I heard this on the wireless today on my way to Easdale outside Oban and to be fair it sounded like a slip from Alex, a rare one mind you. There are clear differences between referendums and elections such as their intent, procedure, purpose etc.
      Anyway, give the FM a break, his plan to date appears to be going exactly to plan.

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      JnrTick September 10, 2014 12:54 am Reply
      • As you say – there is a clear difference between a referendum and an election

        ASalmond must not take it too personally if the vote is a NO.

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        zak September 10, 2014 1:47 pm Reply
  • Here’s a hypothetical for us all
    If Scotland was already an independent country and this was a referendum to ENTER the UK, how do you think the Scots would vote?

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    JnrTick September 10, 2014 12:46 am Reply
    • So glad you ask the question jnr.

      If we had been independent for 300 years and Scotland was as good a place as it is now, of course we wouldn’t vote for change.

      That’s the whole point though, we would vote for the status quo, not some whimsical flight of fantasy that things could be even better.

      You asked the question, surely you can see the point?

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      Simon September 10, 2014 3:34 am Reply
    • What makes you think it’s the Scots who would get the vote?

      Thats why this is a totally one way decision. Once you’re out, its for everyone else to allow you back into the UK, not for the Scots to vote themselves back in.
      That would be like France voting to become part of the UK without the UK having a say.

      Next thursday is crunch time. When you’re out you’re out. Scotland could find itself in total chaos and poverty in a decade, but thats still no reason for the rUK to absorb us again. It’s likely it would create an even greater reason not to.

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      Jerry McIver September 10, 2014 7:14 am Reply
      • The whole point of this referendum is stay as part of the UK or leave!
        There is no going back if it gets tough and I suspect rUK wouldn’t want Scotland back.

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        richard September 10, 2014 8:08 am Reply
  • Whilst the three day-trippers head this way to tell us how much they love us and want us to stay – Simon Heffer writes in the Daily Mail. “The English, especially, will wonder why our leaders feel the need to suck up to a nation that sponged off our largesse consistently over the past 307 years, yet is still not satisfied”.

    There we are – ungrateful sponging Scots abusing the generosity of the English.

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    Simon September 10, 2014 8:13 am Reply
    • Never did like Simon Heffer – or the Daily Mail, for that matter.

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      Robert Wakeham September 10, 2014 1:02 pm Reply
    • It should be noted that the Daily Mail disassociate themselves from his comments.

      ‘Why don’t we tell the Scots to shove off! In a personal view (which the Mail disagrees with) SIMON HEFFER says what we fear many English people think’

      Of course it has been part of the SNP’s Project Fear to turn people in the rest of the UK against Scotland in the hope it will get him votes in Scotland.

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      Lundavra September 10, 2014 1:34 pm Reply
    • We have often disagreed Simon but I have always given you credit for being a person of more intelligence than this post.

      A a right wing journalist/political commentator, writing in a right wing rag, making a cretinous remark doesn’t make it the view of a nation against another nation. it just makes him, and the minority who would agree with him, odious cretins.

      Should the English start quoting the fact that so many Scottish people support anyone playing England in any sport as evidence that Scotland is a narrow minded collection of bitter patriots? I certainly hope not.

      I would expect that sort of remark from people like NCH or willie but your contributions are normally above that.

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      Integrity? September 10, 2014 1:43 pm Reply
  • Dirty tricks brigade at work again to silence opponents?

    Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak 37m
    Oh dear, broadcast vans outside Cameron’s speech venue are starting to get parking tickets -#bluemeaniesstrikeagain

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    Lundavra September 10, 2014 12:10 pm Reply
    • What a childish piece of behaviour,next thing is they will tow them away, it is embarrassing to be a Scot!

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      richard September 10, 2014 1:00 pm Reply
  • The money being spent on this referendum is ridiculous I am sure it could have been to better use !!
    If the Yes get there way it will be disasterous for this area ,the only winners will be the removal company’s !!
    If the three Gents from London didn’t pay Scotland a visit today they would still be critisised , Three Cheers to them for making the time Hip Hip Horra !! Welcome to Scotland !

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    Dan September 10, 2014 12:41 pm Reply
    • Hadn’t really occurred to me but I have a feeling I have seen rather more removal vans than usual.

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      Lundavra September 10, 2014 1:31 pm Reply
    • I suspect you’re right about the ‘three Gents from London’ – damned if they do, and damned if they don’t.

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      Robert Wakeham September 10, 2014 2:00 pm Reply
  • http://www.scottishreview.net/CarolCraig172.shtml Accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative

    – I think it’s clear now what drives ‘willie’, ‘JnrTick’, ‘John Sinclair’ and more..theyve all been on ‘the course’…heavens, they are maybe all the same person!

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    Jamie Black September 10, 2014 6:06 pm Reply
  • Is there a risk of capital flight if Scotland votes for independence?

    Mark Carney replies by explaining that Scottish banks still have access to Bank of England facilities, and that Scottish deposits are backed by financial services compensation scheme.

    That seems clear enough then with another ‘No’ lie nailed as well.

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    Simon September 10, 2014 6:17 pm Reply
  • According to The Herald today, offering more powers to Scotland is not Government policy, and what the three party leaders are saying,i s akin to what would be promised in an election campaign. What is going on here?

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    Dunoon Lad September 10, 2014 10:49 pm Reply
    • It’s government policy now, to save their skins.

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      Robert Wakeham September 10, 2014 11:49 pm Reply

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