Outcome of SNP group’s bare knuckle crisis meeting

We are hearing that yesterday’s crisis meeting of SNP Councillors was, shall we say, robust – a political bare knuckle occasion.

The current suspension from the party of Dunoon’s Councillor Michael Breslin, whom local MSP, Michael Russell, wished to see installed as leader in place of current Council Leader and colleague, Roddy McCuish, made that option a non-starter.

We understand from several reliable sources that a bruising day ended with the decisions:

  • to appoint Councillor James Robb from Helensburgh as Leader;
  • to see the current Leader, Councillor Roddy McCuish, move to Deputy Leader;
  • and to accept Councillor John Semple agreeing to stand down from the Deputy Leadership to enable this move.

Councillor Breslin’s position is being handled by the SNP HQ in Edinburgh and offers some difficult decision taking.

When the SNP were earlier, for a time, in coalition as the junior partner with the Alliance of Independent Councillors, SNP Councillor James Robb [ironically] refused to back an action supported by the rest of his party group. He was summarily thrown out of the party  and remained in that position for around two years until the 2012 council elections, when his secure seat was numerically essential and he was readmitted.

Having disciplined Robb so swingeingly, the SNP group had no alternative but to do the same to Breslin.

There are all sorts of unsubstantiated rumours circulating about what party HQ is doing on this one. The most recurring version is that Councillor Breslin will face a short period of exclusion from the party as a purge for indiscipline and will then be allowed to apply for readmission.

But how would Councillor Robb take such a discriminatory outcome, when he was out for around two years for a similar and arguably lesser offence?

And this Thursday, 14th February 2013, the new team will have its first budget to defend.

Former Council Leader and now Opposition Leader, Dick Walsh and Councillor Gary Mulvaney are the two big guns for the Opposition, both knowledgeable in managing and understanding financial and budgetary matters. Supported by Deputy Opposition Leader, Councillor Ellen Morton, no mean shot herself, they will be loading the bullets in good time and will be well in charge of their armoury.

It has been noticeable that Councillor Walsh has not uttered a peep on the budget papers since they were published three weeks ago. He is clearly keeping his powder dry for some theatrics on Thursday.

He is being given the luxury of a respect for democracy he never offered to others in his day – where his unvarying practice was to whip the covers of the budget papers as councillors entered the council chamber and then play the conjurer in what he chose to reveal to the unknowing.

Thursday will be a set piece battle with the guns of attack and defence in place well before the start of hostilities, The rest depends on whose ammunition is best, whose fire is most accurate and who has the best sharpshooters on the rooftops.

After that, the challenge for Councillor Robb is essentially to put council officers in their place. They have been running the show, often questionably – as we will shortly show in relation to the adult care domain. Councillor Robb has always been his own man and has what it takes to assert his authority. The question is, will he do it? He needs to.

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  • Surely if Cllr Breslin was elected as an SNP candidate and is thrown out of the Party – he should do the decent thing and resign his seat?

    But given his reported personal ambition I rather suspect he won’t.

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    Simon February 11, 2013 6:54 pm Reply
    • My understanding is that Cllr Breslin has not resigned from the Party, but only from the Group – just as Cllr Robb did some tine ago. He (Cllr Breslin ) remains a member of the Party, just as Cllr Robb did and is capable ofapplying to rejoin the Group as and when he sees fit.
      Incidentally I see that the first half of this has been put up, without moderation, whereas my previous contribution to this thread was removed. Any reason for this press censorship?
      Is it because I called one of your “sources” a liar since I knew that he had lied to you?

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      Gerry Fisher February 13, 2013 2:10 am Reply
      • We have checked and there has been no removal or editing of any comments for some time. This is a very rare intervention only exercised in extreme cases, which are also rare.
        If something has gone astray it will have been a technical glitch. Please re-enter it as you wish and our apologies if there has been a transmission error.

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        newsroom February 13, 2013 8:24 am Reply
  • If Breslin becomes independent, how do the numbers stack up now? Will Elaine Robertson continue to support this most unholy mess?

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    Lowry February 11, 2013 8:35 pm Reply
  • Will Cllr Robb be the Council leader as well as SNP leader?

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    phill February 11, 2013 9:10 pm Reply
    • Yes.

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      newsroom February 11, 2013 9:33 pm Reply
      • Thanks.
        Probably means a reshuffle of some sort then>

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        phill February 11, 2013 9:38 pm Reply
  • Oh dear, yet again I find myself agreeing with Simon, and as for James Robb as leader of the council, I’m sure many SNP members will be horrified. It’s a sad day when it’s come to this for Argyll. Lord Voldemort, as was, in charge!

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    mrs brown February 11, 2013 9:46 pm Reply
  • Can not the Community councils organise Public meeting(s) so we can find out what is going on from Cllr Robb?

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    dougie February 11, 2013 11:28 pm Reply
  • Again a bit of shoddy journalism. Councillor Robb was not thrown out of the Party. He continued as a member and very effective secretary of Helensburgh Branch.

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    Graeme McCormick February 11, 2013 11:45 pm Reply
    • You’ll are obviously right on the detail here. Apologies. The fact that he was ‘non-aligned’ as a Councillor misled us on the specifics.

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      newsroom February 11, 2013 11:54 pm Reply
  • So Graeme, was Breslin thrown out of your Party?

    Will you be calling for a by-election so that you can put up an SNP canadiate to stand against him?

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    Simon February 12, 2013 12:07 am Reply
  • So Newsie,

    Let’s say your info is correct :-

    If Robb is the new Leader who presents the Budget and takes on Finance?
    If Breslin is suspended/resigned – who takes over at Education ?
    Why did Semple move aside – waqs he pushed aside?

    And whilst we all noticed you wee dig at Dick Walsh – remember all of his budgets were backed without a vote being necessary…

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    Simon February 12, 2013 1:04 am Reply
  • Yes the budgets were passed without a vote. It is called “Dictatorship” !

    Maybe if there had been a vote monies would not have been wasted on the likes of the Mull International airport

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    dougie February 12, 2013 8:38 am Reply
  • Simon your dig at Councillor Breslin was uncalled for,show me anyone who goes into politics who is not ambitious.Councillor Beslin’s problem is obviously one of standing up for what he believes in and not just toeing the party line.

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    neil lea February 12, 2013 10:24 am Reply
  • Dougie ” Yes the budgets were passed without a vote. It is called “Dictatorship” !” what utter childish nonsense. There was no vote because even the opposition agreed with Dick Walsh!

    Anyway – no more evasion – the cybernats on here have been very quiet about this whole episode with Breslin, playing to the gallery, throwing his toys oot the pram and the ramifications that arise from that.

    If people like Graeme were actually at the meeting maybe they can tell us what is happening?? Is there to be a new Leader and depute Leader? As well as new spokespeople for Finance and spkokesperson for Education – two days before this ill-disciplined mob’s first budget????

    Couldnae run a menage….

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    Simon February 12, 2013 10:32 am Reply
    • Ahh– Simon –your beginning to lose the plot again by your insults such as “..what utter childish nonsense.” For all you know I could be your dad.!!— is alright I’m not
      Re:
      There was no vote because even the opposition agreed with Dick Walsh!—yes that what I wrote the best dictatorships all win unaminously– eg North Korea, China, etc –Do you believe the wonderful international airport voted by Walsh and Co was money well spent?-,
      Simon 1 insult isn’t enough you decide to head of and attack others ie
      “Anyway – no more evasion – the cybernats on here have been very quiet about this whole episode with Breslin, playing to the gallery, throwing his toys oot the pram and the ramifications that arise from that.
      If people like Graeme were actually at the meeting maybe they can tell us what is happening?? Is there to be a new Leader and depute Leader? As well as new spokespeople for Finance and spkokesperson for Education – two days before this ill-disciplined mob’s first budget????
      Couldnae run a menage….”
      Based on your rant above have you ever run a menage or even a menagerie?!!

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      dougie February 12, 2013 4:32 pm Reply
      • I think many of us council tax payers would like Simons questions answered, if you have the info handy.

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        phill February 12, 2013 5:05 pm Reply
  • I have attended no meeting on the matter.

    Instead I sought spiritual comfort at Divine Service.

    I prayed for patience for Simon. He will be rewarded for it soon.

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    Graeme mccormick February 12, 2013 12:57 pm Reply
  • Hope to catch up with Roddy later today for the football and to discuss Sunday,s meeting.Should be good crack.
    As for his so called Party buddies well its not going to be pleasant for them especially one in Oban but thats the game they want to play.Very stupid Lady.
    Cheers Neil.

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    Neil MacIntyre February 12, 2013 2:16 pm Reply
    • Interesting Neil. I just cant understand why anyone, in or outwith politics would have a problem with Roddy.

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      phill February 12, 2013 5:08 pm Reply
  • Do tell Neil, what has the “lady” done now? I would think, Phill ,the problem would be with her and not Roddy.

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    mrs brown February 12, 2013 6:38 pm Reply
    • Agreed, Mrs Brown.

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      phill February 12, 2013 10:37 pm Reply
  • Sorry folks bad result but Juventus are quality.
    As for the council and his party Roddy said he would be better joining the army as at least his enemies would be in front of him.
    Will go along to the Area Committee meeting tomorrow in Oban to see how certain items in the proposed budget are being discussed.
    Certain bits of the way Russell has handled this matter obviously will be of interest so I will give you some more details about all the ducking and diving.
    For Mrs Brown, Russell,s shadow is not the most popular lady with the Oban branch they would like her to go back to the Oban Times.But don,t worry she,ll be found out soon.
    Tune in later this week for the crack.
    Cheers Neil.
    PS.Roddy is looking and feeling better so he has made the best decision for him and his family.

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    Neil MacIntyre February 12, 2013 10:27 pm Reply
    • Thanks for updating us Neil.
      I feel Roddy indirectly encouraged a lot of people to take an interest in local politics, which can only be good for democracy, irrespective of their allegience.

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      phill February 13, 2013 5:42 pm Reply
  • Neil, Neil, Neil, don’t you know it’s not polite to keep a lady waiting? I’m sitting comfortably, I’ll even put the kettle on. The shadow is not popular in Argyll, or with her colleagues, in a night of the long knives hers would be longest I’m sure. Me, me, me is her mantra so I hear, wouldn’t like to have her phone bill that’s for sure, but journos always like a gossip. Good to read Roddy is looking better, he’s one of the few good guys.

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    mrs brown February 12, 2013 11:23 pm Reply
  • all the very best to roddy. us ordinary council tax payers and voters really needed a down to earth, approachable, common sense, normal and local person looking after our interests. sadly i think thats us screwed now!

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    the obanite February 13, 2013 12:03 am Reply
  • Gerry Fisher please note that despite what Newsie says I too have had posts removed.

    Must be more technical gremlins than we are led to believe.

    And this of course raises the question as to where Gremlin lives, does it have a lair, and how often does it strike. Is it a benevolent Gremlin, friendly to all or is it’s DNA alien to the hinterland. And is Gremlin pals with Censor.

    Mnnn?

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    Willie February 13, 2013 9:18 pm Reply
  • So Robb takes over from Roddy tomorrow – a bit of an authoritarian by all accounts.

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    Simon February 13, 2013 11:03 pm Reply
    • Right on both counts Simon.

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      phill February 14, 2013 9:19 pm Reply
  • Phil – I posted this just a minute ago on another article. Essentially Struan Lodge is to close.

    ‘Well the SNP Council today voted to close Struan Lodge. Cllr Breslin for all his grandstanding and protests did not vote against it – he rtook the easy way out and abstained as did Cllr Gordn Blair and Cllr Donald Kelly from Argyll First.

    The winning margin was one vote. So it looks like the ‘protest’ was stage managed.

    You can read all about it here right now – http://www.cowalcourier.com/council-votes-to-shut-struan-lodge/

    Or in the local Dunoon paper tomorrow.

    Gawd knows when Newsie will get around to reporting it…’

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    Simon February 14, 2013 9:32 pm Reply
    • Is their any valid reason for abstaining other than sitting on the fence?

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      phill February 14, 2013 9:48 pm Reply
  • Phil, abstaining is the cowards way out. The local politico like Breslin and Blair – shout and protest but when it comes to the bit – they sit on their hands. Frankly it’s a stage managed sleazy party device that allows local politicos to protest – but not too much – you understand. 😉

    If the abstainers had voted against the motion – old people one aged over 100 would not be getting thrown out of their homes. But they didn’t – the politicos played to the grandstand but when it came to it they toed the SNP Party line.

    They gave the old people and the staff hope – but in the end they did nothing that would harm them or their Party: personal ambition and party loyalty placed before principle.

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    Simon February 14, 2013 10:18 pm Reply
    • Couldnt see Roddy McCuish – former snp leader – siting on the fence if a similar vote was taken say for Eader Glinn in Oban.
      Politicians of all parties need to vote aye or nae. to say they dont know is pathetic.

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      phill February 14, 2013 10:47 pm Reply
    • Hi Simon–if you have a spare room can you let me in

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      dougie February 17, 2013 4:53 pm Reply
  • Phil, “Politicians of all parties need to vote aye or nae” I quite like Roddy – but remember it looks like he too voted for Struan Lodge to close.

    So, if you were being cynical you’d say the way the ‘SNP Party abstaining vote’ works is that when it’s Eader Glinn up for closure Roddy and the rest of the Oban snp will scream shout, threaten to resign and organise meetings with staff to look at alternatives. But this will be more of a wink-wink protest than any other kind because when it comes to the vote guess what?? Now it’s their turn to abstain, sit on their hands while the Breslins, Blairs and Kellys of this world this time vote to close Eader Glinn….

    Simples.

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    Simon February 14, 2013 11:14 pm Reply
    • I can see the tactics of that, but cant see Roddy voting to close an old folks facility in Oban where demand is strong.

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      phill February 15, 2013 5:16 pm Reply
  • Looks like Breslin and Blair actually managed to close down Struan Lodge. Well done boys. Lol

    Spent your whole time conning and misleading the very people that you where meant to protect with pre election lies. Dunoon will only remember you for this most cowardly of acts. You should resign in shame shame to u and u r family.

    I have voted Snp for the last ever time in my life on a local or national vote.

    No roads no boats no queens hall no truth just lies

    Take money you greedy bastards

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    MB February 14, 2013 11:24 pm Reply
    • THe cowards are the ones hiding by their initials MB.

      Are they your real initials ?

      Glad you know how to swear –you also know how to prevaricate as well.

      I would be surprised you know how to vote.

      £1 INTO THE SWEAR BOX TO SAVE STRUAN –or do you just talk big!!

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      dougie February 17, 2013 4:52 pm Reply
      • ‘the cowards ….hiding behind initials’
        Even if the above were a fact, (and in most cases its for a valid reason) can you (Dougie)still answer why the Dunoon elected members abstained in this important vote?
        Dont really think anger or tit for tat nonsense is the answer.

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        phill February 17, 2013 5:18 pm Reply
        • Oh — but MB is are allowed to swear on line.

          C’mon Critic’s -find the money to keep Struan open or be quiet

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          dougie February 17, 2013 7:07 pm Reply
          • It’s not up to critic’s to keep open Struan Lodge.

            That’s the job of the very inept council we have at the moment!

            Who are you to tell others to be quiet?

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            Gus Mackay February 17, 2013 7:56 pm
      • What is the difference between MB or dougie?

        As Iv’e said before many times on here would rather everyone put names to comments.

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        Gus Mackay February 17, 2013 7:50 pm Reply
  • Phil, “Dont really think…tit for tat nonsense is the answer”.

    Agreed.

    But the only peolple who can tell us why they sat on their hands and allowed Struan Lodge to close are the three Councillors concerned. Blair, Breslin and Kelly.

    Answers pleaee Cllrs. Normally you love to talk – so we’re listening….

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    Simon February 17, 2013 6:37 pm Reply
  • Gus and critics

    You postt that

    “It’s not up to critic’s to keep open Struan Lodge.”

    What? –what happened to Community spirit!! We are all in it together!!
    You complain and vent your spleen but wont do anything to keep it open—Hypocrites !!!
    Devoid of ideas?– come on guy’s and guyesses lets here your words of wisdom to keep Sruan open……………………………………………………………………………………………….{SILENCE}

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    Dougie February 18, 2013 11:39 pm Reply
  • Dougie have you been at the bottle?

    In case it has escaped you I will repeat – Councillors abstaining have made the possibility of Struan Lodge closing all the more likely. If they vote the other way it remains open.

    If it is still open and the council are not happy with the cost of running it they should then be meeting with management to see how savings can be made.

    So your nonsense about we are all in this together does not add up. Yes we can complain, we can protest, we can write on For Argyll, but at the end of the day you know as well as I do the Council make the decisions.

    What is more inclined to be getting to you just now is the reality that this Snp led administration is not living up to your expectations and won’t be helping the chances of separation.

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    Gus Mackay February 19, 2013 1:25 am Reply
    • Don’t drink
      So I am not sure what the comment about Am I on the bottle?
      Does not advance any argument you may have
      — NOT one suggestion to help- since you believe carping is all you can do as you have no power etc maybe Independence is the way forward (term to be used in House of Commons)
      Power to the people

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      DOUGIE February 19, 2013 7:14 pm Reply
      • Last week I suggested JnrTick seemed rattled – haven’t heard from him since!
        You also appear to be suffering! The referendum is not until next year so chill!!
        Just because the nats are making no progress in the opinion polls,are deeply unpopular here in A&B after the budget announcement, have done nothing to solve the ferry fiasco……………I could go on but it’s near kick off, Iv’e a game to watch!

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        Gus Mackay February 19, 2013 7:42 pm Reply
    • Gus, there is no such thing as separation as most things will remain connected when independence comes, such as the commercial arrangements, and the road and rail infrastructure, and the electricity grid and so on.
      No nation in the world is separate except possibly North Korea.

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      james cormack February 19, 2013 7:47 pm Reply
      • I am well aware that Alex Salmond would like to remove the word separation from the dictionary.
        He may well be able to brainwash his followers but I will choose whatever words I like to describe the intentions of the Snp.

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        Gus Mackay February 19, 2013 8:00 pm Reply
  • There is a story in today’s on-line Daily Record http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-condemns-brutal-bedroom-1714231 the title of which reads ‘Strugeon….claims Tories are enjoying the misery their cuts are inflicting on vulnerable”.

    What Hypocrisy!

    Sombody should be telling her about the misery her party the SNP are inflicting on the most vulnerable members of our society – the old people in Dunoon who are about to be thrown out of their homes because of the SNP council and those scaredy-cat, hand-wringing, hypocritical local cooncillors – Blair and Breslin – whose cowardly abstentions in a crucial vote helped shut Struan Lodge.

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    Simon February 19, 2013 8:53 am Reply
  • Simon – I think it’s just another example of the “stuck needle” syndrome “Let’s blame Westminster”. Whenever they can’t work things out for themselves it’s their fallback excuse.

    It seems the SNP are getting really desperate about the poor ratings for independence in the polls. Rather than admit that they should have encouraged local authorities to build much more housing and single bed-roomed properties they are trying to detract from the problem in hand by blaming someone else.

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    Lowry February 19, 2013 9:51 am Reply
  • Lowry, have either of the two cowardly SNP cllrs been on to explain themselves??

    Why did they not vote to keep this old folks home open?

    And while we are it – how come none of the ‘usual suspects’ cybernats want to comment on this shocking betrayal of vulnerable old people in Cowal?

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    Simon February 19, 2013 5:37 pm Reply
    • No, they quite clearly have not and the rest haven’t made any comments because they obviously don’t know what to say.

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      Lowry February 19, 2013 5:51 pm Reply
      • Not sure about the two Councillors, but the cybernat activists in the Cowal area are in a difficult position, the majority of them are of an age when they might have been looking to Struan Lodge as their place of residence in the future.
        Looks like their own party has taken that choice away from them!

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        Gus Mackay February 19, 2013 7:23 pm Reply
        • and not a cheep about their cutting the number of beds at Campbeltown Hospital from 32 to 21 apart from one diehard who claimed the decision had nothing to do with the SNP – despite Alex Neil MSP being the Health Minister in Scotland

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          Islay for ever February 19, 2013 8:11 pm Reply
      • Even Ken MacColl aint been on.

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        phill February 19, 2013 10:01 pm Reply
        • Good god! Forgot about him! Found the Doc on Herald online, must think there’s a better class of debate on there, and DMH has given up as well!
          It’s funny how when things don’t seem to be going their way they disappear.

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          Gus Mackay February 19, 2013 11:17 pm Reply
          • You just have to have a wee read at this thread and one or two others to see what class of debate is going on on FA these days. I’m not surprised the Doc has defected, it’s horrific on here. Recycled Daily Mail innuendo, personal insults and mud-slinging, all round. If you have a redad you’ll see there is actually reasoned debate going on at the Herald. With facts and stuff.

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            Alison February 20, 2013 9:45 am
          • They’re still here, just under a different guise. You don’t have to do much searching to recognise the same old tired ramblings.

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            quasijock February 20, 2013 11:10 am
  • And nary a word fae yon cybernats aboot snatching the milk aff the wee weans either.

    They’ll pontiifcate, scaremonger and lecture about nuclear subs, YES campaigns, A83, the wicked bad UK Govt ect – but ask them to explain their party’s decisons nearer home and it’s………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….. tumbleweed.

    Naebody home.

    Tartan Tories richt enuff.

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    Simon February 19, 2013 9:25 pm Reply
  • Simone —one minute your reading the record (age level 7)–supporter of illegal wars in Iraq next minute your doing a poor impersonation of Pa Broon fae the Sunday Post

    Jings crivens help ma boab!!

    Hows the tories, liebour and the lib dems doing these days under the stewardship of I luv u darling -of it wisnae me in charge when my Hen broon sold our gold etc etc….
    I wisnae in charge when the banks when doon the tubes—mind you the nuclear subs are going doing the tubes as weel

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    dougie February 19, 2013 10:32 pm Reply
  • Still no answer from you though Dougie. Why not?

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    Simon February 20, 2013 5:54 am Reply
    • Simon, Dougie can’t think for himself. He can only repeat what Alex Salmond allows him to. That appears to be the case for all the separatists.

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      Alki Burns February 20, 2013 9:25 am Reply
  • Alison,- If it’s so bad on here why are you reading it, and more importantly taking the time to comment?
    Was it not me who mentioned The Herald? Does that not show I do read it? That is where I found the Doc remember!

    On you other point re the class of debate on FA,I would sometimes have to agree, comments from Dougie, sam, Willie, etc.certainly don’t help!

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    Gus Mackay February 20, 2013 12:42 pm Reply
    • The point is Alison they have lost the debate, in general, and re the ‘Struan Lodgegate’ mess, they have been sent homewards to think again!!
      I dont always agree with him, but i have yet to see anyone take Simon on in debate and beat him.

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      phill February 20, 2013 6:51 pm Reply

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