Council Elections: The count

Councillor Donald Kelly at the count

The scene early at the count. They’re now off – the boxes are being opened. Continuing snippets here.

And the Argyll First team are on the go. Councillor Donald Kelly wondering what the day will bring – following what has been the lowest turnout in Scotland.

No figures yet for Argyll – and in the Scottish Elections a year ago, our turn out was above the average.

10.10: Process well under way, crowd at the adjudication tables.

10.25: Ward One soon to be announced.

10.35: Ward 1 South Kintyre: Kelly  / Semple  / Colville . Donald Kelly, as we predicted, creamed it, Rory Colville as we did not predict, snuck in. Congratulation to the man with the Marigolds.

10.55: Ward 2 Kintyre and the Islands: Anne Horn / Robin Currie / John McAlpine. We got this one right – Currie has had a major take down but survived and it’s status quo in seats. Good result for Anne Horn and SNP – third in 2007,  first seat in 2012.

11.23: Ward 3 Mid Argyll: Philand / Taylor / Macmillan.  Dougie Philand romped it. The SNP took a seat – in second place, Donnie McMillan survived in third and Alison Hay  – a good councillor – has paid the heaviest and the heaviest possible price for her misjudgment on the school closures proposals. Our analysis and prediction standing up pretty well.

Let’s hope Alison Hay does not prove the sacrificial anode for the administration on its incompetent, dishonest and damaging performance on rural schools closures.

12.00 ward 4 Oban South and the Isles: Mary Jean Devon / Roddy McCuish / Fred  Hall / Alistair MacDougall. Mary Jean Devon FIRST. Prediction correct – 3 x SNP in. Pity about Gordon Chalmers – replaced by another Mull Independent – Alistair MacDougall from Fionnphort.

11.52: Ward 5 looks complicated in the time its taking. This one will be VERY telling.

11.58  Ward 5 – Oban North and Lorn: Elaine Robertson / Louise Glen-Lee / Ian MacDonald  / Duncan McIntyre.

Fabulous result for Iain MacDonald – a substantial addition to the council and a straight player. Great progress from Louise Glen-Lee, up to second – and the Silent Assassin survives on the fourth preferences he touted for. So this is what Oban really wants? They say you get what you pay for.  Oban has certainly bought it. And Neil Mackay is out.  Predictions not doing badly.

13. 44 Ward 6 Cowal: SHOCK RESULT.  Blair / Marshall / McNaughton. Ron Simon out. Prediction – up the spout. Cannot imagine what’s happened here – with the new SNP candidate coming top and Ron Simon not elected.

14.16 Ward 8 Isle of Bute: Scoullar / Mcintyre  / Strong . No change. We understand from a reader – see Comments below – that the detail here was that Len Scoullar won 707 votes to Robert McIntyre’s 609 in the first round – with Isobel Strong just skimming it ahead of Labour’s Adam Bellshaw at the sixth count.

14.27 Ward 9 Lomond North: Maurice Corry / George Freeman / Robert Graham Macintyre. Councillor Danny Kelly. We reaqd this as a vote of support for George Freeman over the treatment that was handed out to him by the Alliance of Independents – and a schools campaigners vote. Ar least Alison Hay is not the sole scalp, which would have been unjust.

14.30 Ward 10  Helensburgh Central: Dance / Aileen Morton / Mulvaney / Robb.  Right prediction. Wrong order. Food for thought for Gary Mulvaney and a triumph in planning for Councillor Dance.

14.45  Ward 11 Helensburgh and Lomond South: Kinniburgh  / Ellen Morton  / Richard Trail. Andrew Nisbit is out. Prediction – Two out of three.

15.00 We will shortly publish a piece on the overall position as it  now stands and later tonight a situation analysis.

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  • Lowest turnout in Scotland – surprising and very disappointing.

    Let’s hope all those people who didn’t bother to vote don’t get the council they deserve.

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    Tim McIntyre May 4, 2012 10:12 am Reply
    • Hard to know how this will play. In a low turnout, it’s the determined who vote.

      How many of the general public are really determined to protect members of the Alliance of Independents from the just consequences of what they have done to Argyll?

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      newsroom May 4, 2012 10:21 am Reply
  • I have heard mixed reports about turn our ranging from sub 30% to as high as exceeding 65%.

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    Integrity? Not in the ConDemAll May 4, 2012 10:24 am Reply
  • Very pleased that both Semple and Kelly got in. Disappointed for Anne but I know she will be delighted that John was returned.

    A little shameful that Colville can perform a massive u-turn within a matter of half an hour on a fundamental stance on policy and still be re-elected. Judas Iscariot would have blushed.

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    Integrity? Not in the ConDemAll May 4, 2012 10:42 am Reply
    • I wasn’t too disappointed and indeed I was truly delighted that John was returned. I’ve worked with many people in the SNP and reckon John is the most generous of all. South Kintyre will have the benefit of that good spirit and bright intellect for a few more years;-)

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      Anne Baird May 4, 2012 8:09 pm Reply
  • Argyll and Bute is put at 47.7%

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    KGV May 4, 2012 10:50 am Reply
    • Good for us. Proof of real energy in Argyll. Way above.

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      newsroom May 4, 2012 10:52 am Reply
  • Gutted for Anne.

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    Crazy She-Bat May 4, 2012 10:55 am Reply
  • Alison Hay not being returned was a pretty safe bet but still good to hear.

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    Integrity? Not in the ConDemAll May 4, 2012 11:25 am Reply
  • P45 for Alison Hay – its called karma.

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    Crazy She-Bat May 4, 2012 11:26 am Reply
  • Gutted for Gordon as well now.

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    Crazy She-Bat May 4, 2012 12:03 pm Reply
    • Share that. Everything a decent councillor should be – and that is not disrespectful of Alistair MacDougall who has replaced him. He has yet to prove himself But Gordon Chalmers is a real loss.

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      newsroom May 4, 2012 12:23 pm Reply
    • I’m gutted for Gordon, too. I’ve always found him very helpful and he’s done a lot in a quiet way. Alastair was a councillor previously and it’s good to have two island members again this time.

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      Jade May 5, 2012 9:43 am Reply
  • Whoop whoop for Oban South and the Isles!!

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    Catherine Gillies May 4, 2012 12:15 pm Reply
  • @ Newsroom: I’m sure A. MacDougall already has a track record. As far as I know he has been a cllr before.

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    Scarlet Arachnid May 4, 2012 12:53 pm Reply
    • Blast from the past – good to hear from Scarlet Arachnid – we never forget a name.

      Tell us more on this.

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      newsroom May 4, 2012 12:55 pm Reply
      • @newsroom That’s good, I had nearly forgotten my own name 🙂
        Here’s a bit you did on Alistair Macdougal 4 years ago
        http://forargyll.info/tag/fionnphort/

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        Scarlet Arachnid May 4, 2012 1:11 pm Reply
        • We’d forgotten this. Thanks. This was a resourceful intervention on the awful Mull roads.
          Do you know who he ran with when we was a councillor?

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          newsroom May 4, 2012 1:21 pm Reply
  • Has Neil Mackay bit the bullet?

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    Crazy She-Bat May 4, 2012 12:57 pm Reply
  • Ward 5 is a great result. Replacing McKay with McDonald is like replacing yesterday’s tuna sandwich, with steak, all the trimmings and a healthy portion of the finest mustard.

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    Integrity? Not in the ConDemAll May 4, 2012 1:03 pm Reply
  • re Ward 5 – Farewell to Neil Mac then. Bit of a surprise , that. I don’t know Iain MacDonald – he must have fought a good campaign. The other two candidates , I guess , were dead certs.

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    Jon from Oban May 4, 2012 1:04 pm Reply
  • Congratulations to our own Iain MacDonald on his election..

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    Ardchattan Parish May 4, 2012 1:08 pm Reply
  • Great news from Angus Council.

    Neild is out and Ewan Smith got in.

    Massive congratulations to Ewan – it would appear the ‘silent majority’ as Nield called them remained silent.

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    Integrity? Not in the ConDemAll May 4, 2012 1:34 pm Reply
  • Ward six not so great. Ron Simon has been replaced by Gordon Blair which means macNaughton and MArshall stay in.

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    Integrity? Not in the ConDemAll May 4, 2012 1:39 pm Reply
  • One question: who will be the representatives for Tiree ?
    Kind of difficult to keep up with everything when your 1000\s km away
    Cheers
    Karl

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    Karl Hughes May 4, 2012 1:40 pm Reply
    • Karl, Tiree’s covered by Ward 4 so your best bets are MJD and Alastair MacDougall from Mull. Know MJD spent quite a lot of time over on Tiree last couple of years hearing views.

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      Jade May 5, 2012 9:51 am Reply
  • Sad to see Ron Simon go. A good councillor, but SNP were never going to have it easy in Cowal.

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    Pete May 4, 2012 1:46 pm Reply
    • Well done the people of Cowal , stick it up the SNP for the way they have treated you over ferries

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      islay for ever May 4, 2012 1:49 pm Reply
      • They haven’t exactly done that though have they. They have just swapped one SNP for another.

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        Integrity? Not in the ConDemAll May 4, 2012 1:52 pm Reply
        • Gordon Blair has at least been active on the ferry issue. Ron Simon on the other hand has done nothing. The snp put up two in the same ward and their supporters have decided which one will work for them.

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          Gus Mackay May 4, 2012 2:15 pm Reply
  • Macintyre, Strong and Scoullar elected in ward 8 as expected

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    Integrity? Not in the ConDemAll May 4, 2012 1:57 pm Reply
  • I am delighted with the Oban North results, especially the fact that Melville was not elected. In my view, he should never have been selected in the first place.

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    Lowry May 4, 2012 2:10 pm Reply
    • ??? Oban north. This is a despicable comment on a candidate who deserves the courtesy of your name if you want to have a go. Best wishes Melon next time, at least you put your name up there on the ballot.

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      Norman Martin May 4, 2012 9:06 pm Reply
      • Despicable and Lowry go hand in hand. Not difficult to see why he skulks in the shadows.

        Donald will be back.

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        Ken MacColl May 4, 2012 11:32 pm Reply
    • Well, he had to be selected, didn’t he, as Mike MacKenzie’s brother-in-law.

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      ClootieDumpling May 4, 2012 10:16 pm Reply
      • This remark merely reveals how little you know about SNP selection procedure.

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        Ken MacColl May 4, 2012 11:33 pm Reply
  • Ward 9 has a shock.

    Freeman in 9 rightly so.

    Kelly out (rightly so)

    Corry and MacIntyre in – I must admit I didn’t expect that.

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    Integrity? Not in the ConDemAll May 4, 2012 2:14 pm Reply
  • Trail has knocked Nisbet out in Helensburgh South

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    Integrity? Not in the ConDemAll May 4, 2012 2:40 pm Reply
  • ♫♪♫Bye bye Danny, Danny bye bye-aye♫♪♫

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    Crazy She-Bat May 4, 2012 2:45 pm Reply
  • Tell us about Ward 5’s Iain MacDonald, Newsroom.
    Your enthusiasm for him makes me suspect that he was flying false colours, and he’s actually a closet SNP.

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    ClootieDumpling May 4, 2012 3:06 pm Reply
    • We know Iain Macdonald a little through his work with his Community Council.

      He is one of the most independent spirits you could find – and in anything we have seen, is utterly transparent and unlikely to be moved from what he sees as the right action.

      We don;t know him very well – but it’s one of those things we all know about – it’s impossible not to recognise ‘a right’un’ any more than it is not to know ‘a wrong ‘un’.

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      newsroom May 4, 2012 4:21 pm Reply
    • Iain is a man of “independent mind” certainly but he is not a member of the SNP.From your earlier postings you are likely to disapprove of him.

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      Ken MacColl May 4, 2012 11:36 pm Reply
      • It also seems likely that Iain’s mother managed to vote for him this time. Well done Ma’am!

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        Lowry May 5, 2012 1:26 pm Reply
  • can someone do the party maths for those of us who are not so clever?

    What is the head count per “party / group” now ?

    Who is likely to be in charge of the administration? does not seem to be enough SNP for a full change, is that right?

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    Ardchattan Parish May 4, 2012 3:07 pm Reply
    • Hard to say just now as there are a small number of candidates who it isn’t clear what side of the fence they will fall on.

      My speculation is that, at the moment we have:

      17 of what I would say are the ‘Good Guys’ (i.e. not favouring Duck Walsh’s Alliance),

      14 ‘Bad Guys’

      2 I am genuinely have no idea which way they will fall

      and we also have three seats left to be determined by the Dunoon election

      In my counts of 17 and 14 there is one in each who I have think will fall into those particular groups.

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      Integrity? Not in the ConDemAll May 4, 2012 3:11 pm Reply
    • We’ve now published the tally and the known non-intentions of 2 of the 5 Independent candidates, in a separate article.

      we;ll publish a situation analysis tonight.

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      newsroom May 4, 2012 4:00 pm Reply
  • “14.16 Ward 8 Isle of Bute: Robert Mcintyre / Isobel Strong / Len Scoullar. So Scoullar skims in at the tail end.”
    Scoullar elected at the first stage with the most first preference votes. Hardly at the tail end. More biased reporting.

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    theblokewiththebeard May 4, 2012 3:21 pm Reply
    • No – just the order we got them in. This will be corrected now; and thank you very for this.

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      newsroom May 4, 2012 3:50 pm Reply
  • So the question is liable to be – “Who will come together to form a coalition of 18+ for an administration, and on what terms?”
    Or what distribution of the money/allowances available for SRAs?
    Policies?
    Commitments?

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    Gerry Fisher May 4, 2012 3:25 pm Reply
  • How must the Returning officer be fealing as the figures fall?
    Any body language to report – Newsroom?

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    Gerry Fisher May 4, 2012 3:27 pm Reply
  • Agreed ‘theblokewiththebeard;’ more the usual amatuerish knockabout stuff from Newsie today. But then this has hardly been ‘the night of the long knives’ that some on here predicted. :)so either in a state of shock or …

    And just before they congratulate Alisatair McDougall too much I’m prety sure he was a member of Dick’s Independent group. 🙂

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    Simon May 4, 2012 3:31 pm Reply
  • Newsy… Your comment on the Bute ward that ‘Scoullar skims in at the tail end’ is rather misleading given that Len Scoullar secured 707 votes to Robert McIntyre’s 609 in the first round with Isobel Strong just making it in ahead of Adam Bellshaw at round 6 of the count.
    SNP bias perhaps!!!

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    David Graham May 4, 2012 4:32 pm Reply
    • we got Bute the wrong way around in batting order and have corrected it – a previous comment pointed it out.

      In our ward predictions in the small hours this morning, we said we thought Adam Bellshaw was a player – although we got the target of his impact wrong. But we did say that predictions bring a hail of bricks. We’re just constitutionally reckless.

      And your detailed count information on the Bute result is one we will take into account in the analysis to follow tonight.

      Many thanks.

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      newsroom May 4, 2012 4:50 pm Reply
      • I think its the language used gives a lot away’newsroom’. You are more effectiove when remaining impartial.

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        phill May 4, 2012 5:36 pm Reply
  • P45 for Neil MacKay

    Seems every little didn’t help when Tesco ‘endorsed’ him their in store candidate on Wednesday.

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    Erik the Viking May 4, 2012 4:43 pm Reply
  • I have just seen the figures for the Lomond North ward and it is abundantly clear that the school closure issue was a massive issue in the mind of the voters.

    George Freeman, who supported our schools from start to finish, who was third in 2007 has jumped to first with a 38% increase in the number of first preferences he got.

    Danny Kelly who blindly voted for closure despite pledging himself to supporting them (he always claimed to have a wise strategy which nobody ever actually agreed with) saw his vote collapse by a remarkable 68% going from 2nd in 2007 (only marginally behind Billy Petrie) to 2nd last out of seven (this despite 4 candidates standing for the first time in Lomond North).

    My personal thanks to the people of Lomond North for showing their support for the candidate who publicly backed us and stuck to his word.

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    Integrity? Not in the ConDemAll May 4, 2012 5:59 pm Reply
  • HOW can Helensburgh vote back in Ellen Morton – she was one of the main instigators with regards to the school closures. Can someone explain to me in simple terms what the result so far means for Argyll & Bute Council – does Dick Walsh continue as head of the Council? Will the likes of Sneddon continue in his role etc etc Fantastic result for Oban South and the Isles – well done Mary-Jean!

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    Floribunda May 4, 2012 6:37 pm Reply
    • We will publish an article on some of these issues later this evening.
      The election is also not fully over yet. The Dunoon contest had to be postponed because of the recent death of Councillor Alister McAlistrer, who was due to stabnd in Dunoon.
      That vote is being held on Thursday 10th May and Dick Walsh is one of the candidates. The overall picture will not be clear until that ward election is completed.

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      newsroom May 4, 2012 8:04 pm Reply
  • Floribunda – Helensburgh probably voted in Ellen Morton a) because despite the keech you read about her on here – she is an able politcian and b)because the people of Helensburgh don’t consider rural schools to be the ‘big agenda item’ that others think it is. :)(

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    Simon May 4, 2012 8:47 pm Reply
    • And we don’t bother so much here about the state Iraq has been left in by our illegal intervention.
      It’s a matter of scale, Simon but it’s the same thing.
      We have all to try to understand the condition of the other.
      If one is a townie or a teuchter – to use the pejoratives for both – one cannot ‘know’ what it is to be the other; but one can ask, discover and intuit.
      The problem with the school closures was driven, in part, by the phenomenon you identify: urban-based councillors adopting a position on rurality with no experience or understanding of rural communities, the way they work and they way they can fail.
      It was the complacent assumption that a position of ignorance was somehow a qualification for superior wisdom that was the can of petrol in this inflammation.
      In this case, as you rightly say, the people of Helensburgh didn’t and don’t think rural schools lke Luss and Kilcreggan matter much. Campbeltown cared as much for Southend; Oban for Barcaldine; Rothesay for North Bute; and Dunoon for Toward.
      Why should they. It’s not their experience.
      But that cannot be the basis for deciding, uninformed, on other people’s lives – or for ganging up on them.
      Yet each of these places unknown to townsfolk is a rich and individual culture, a living organism that keeps alive much of the country. If these places die, then alternative means and values for living die too.
      It’s not straightforward but it matters.

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      newsroom May 4, 2012 9:05 pm Reply
    • Simon you can tell that to the parents at Parklands, I was in the council chamber the day of the vote and Ms Morton was to busy attacking Isobel Strong to even mention the schools. I have never seen anything so vindictive in my life…

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      Delusional Bint May 5, 2012 11:44 am Reply
  • Simon, brace yerself! I’m going to agree with you!

    Ellen Morton – able politician? She’s a blimin evil genius!

    Rural schools are not a big agenda item in her ward? – well duh! I wonder if it would become one if she had voted to close Cardross Primary twice over the last few years? mmmmmmm?

    And then of course there was those lovely pictures in the Helensburgh Dancevertiser a few weeks ago of Ellen and the Gimp informing the electorate of their £19 million bribe to be ALLEGEDLY spent in their back yard. And all because of them.

    Evil Genius

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    Crazy She-Bat May 4, 2012 8:58 pm Reply
  • Cf. Morton’s re-election (and several others), not everyone pays attention to politics. Not everyone has children in school (in fact a lot of people do not) and won’t be aware of the issues there. Not everyone voted. Not everyone who voted will be fully informed as to what’s going on (God only knows I try and avoid local politics as much as possible) and will vote for people that “we” wouldn’t.

    All these things combine to produce what scientists refer to as “unexpected results”.

    Also known as democracy, with all its failures and foibles.

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    Stephen Mackenzie May 4, 2012 9:23 pm Reply
  • Newsie “urban-based councillors ” see there you go blaming someone else.

    Duh!!! They were voted in!! The electorate wanted them – more than you didn’t want them… 🙂

    Mibbie just for a nanosecond you might consider that these politicos were not so much ‘anti rural schools’ but perhaps moreof a ‘we have a shed load of priorities we have to consider’ – we have to meet the cuts imposed by the national SNP govt – and we shall consider these cuts in the round”.
    IE we will not automatically give primacy to rural schools over, old folks homes, roads, sport facilities, care for the elederly, voluntary organisations, housing, etc, etc.

    ps how did ‘I’ll give them a veto’ Ambitious Anne get on???

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    Simon May 4, 2012 9:24 pm Reply
    • Simon – just lose the blinkers and read what’s being said. There was no suggestion that there is anything wrong with ‘urban based’ anythings.

      This was a serious response to your comment. It’s important to try the ‘what ifs?’ What if this is a serious matter and not a squib?

      If it wasn’t a serious point but merely another squib through our letter box, then there is no use trying to engage. Email your address and we’ll send you a box of Bengal matches to play with.

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      newsroom May 4, 2012 9:33 pm Reply
      • It’s unfortunate that Simon gets more than usually fractious at this time of day. I’m not sure if gripe water would help, but the most sensible thing would be to put him to bed at the proper time.

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        Robert Wakeham May 4, 2012 10:14 pm Reply
    • I got on fine. I didn’t get in but came a reasonable fourth and am left with plenty of time to pursue my specific interests. Ambitious? Only in the sense of being ambitous for Argyll and Bute, but then all our SNP councillors are. Other than that I’m quite the happy camper. A lot of ARSN candidates are now councillors.

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      Anne Baird May 4, 2012 10:51 pm Reply
  • Crazy thanks for agreeing 😉
    I knew I’d win you round…. 🙂

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    Simon May 4, 2012 9:37 pm Reply
  • Newsie “If it wasn’t a serious point but merely another squib through our letter box, then there is no use trying to engage. Email your address and we’ll send you a box of Bengal matches to play with” …. are you on the drink?

    ps you have my email address already 😉

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    Simon May 4, 2012 9:41 pm Reply
  • Just trying to do some amateur statistics on my (Helensburgh Central) ward’s results. The turnout was 45%… but I can’t find anywhere how big the electorate was! Anyone got any idea?

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    Stephen Mackenzie May 4, 2012 9:49 pm Reply
    • 3,285 votes. 44.53% turn out so you are looking at an electorate of 7,377.

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      Integrity? Not in the ConDemAll May 4, 2012 9:56 pm Reply
      • Ah, thanks. My brain stops working on Friday evening.

        So looks like none of the four councillors returned got first-preference votes from more than 10% of the electorate. Hope they’re not going to go around claiming a huge mandate or anything.

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        Stephen Mackenzie May 5, 2012 9:27 am Reply
        • C’mon Stephen – this is Vivien Dance we’re talking about LOL

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          Crazy She-Bat May 5, 2012 9:32 am Reply
          • Uff, that’s true. I wonder why people voted for her?

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            Stephen Mackenzie May 5, 2012 5:03 pm
  • Just finished work so just catching up on some of the crack about the results.Firstly I would like to thank everybody who voted for me and for all the people who helped to put everthing together especially my own sons.We went close but best of luck to Roddy he’s a great bloke.Marian told me to say that.As for Oban North I have mixed emotions,great that Ian got in but very sad for melon he would of been a great councillor but he,ll be back I hope.
    But the tremendous news about McKay means that the cider is being opened at this very moment.This was the councillor who along with Jo Smith’s help put the knife in big George Berry.Sadly in real life decent people don’t get any payback most of the time, but this result is pure magic, just a pity that he was the only one.
    Where do we go now? Well we will be putting together local debates on different issues that hopefully will generate more interest and keep the councillors on their toes.We have to engage our young people, so that will be an important part of our plans,If we could, a debate with the senior pupils from our high school would I think be a great start.Any Ideas would be very helpful.We can’t just leave it to the councillors we all have to put our bit in.
    So back to the cider and best wishes and congratulations to all the new councillors, lets rock and roll and make Argyll the best in the West.
    Power to People.

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    neil macintyre May 5, 2012 1:19 am Reply
    • Thats democracy for you!
      I think perhaps the mainly single issue campaign focus (George Berry) would not have helped in the eyes of the electorate. You are passionate and had you put a more comprehensive message out then i am sure you would have got in. I had predicted you would have got in, and am sure next time you will.I also feel with your local background you would have got elected in the more transparent ‘first past the post’, system which many hope will return.
      Enjoy the cider.

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      phill May 5, 2012 9:34 am Reply
  • I note that not all comments are shown – who makes that decision? I do not like the gloating attitude some of your contributers display. It leaves a very nasty taste in the mouth, particularly when they give only a pseudonym.

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    Charlotte Hanbury May 5, 2012 10:30 am Reply
    • All that we can think of here is that any comment you are aware of as unpublished may have been written without the ‘Post comment’ button being properly activated.

      Two of us have been sharing the monitoring of comments over the life of this article and neither of us has blocked a single comment – something we have almost never had to do.

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      newsroom May 5, 2012 10:34 am Reply
      • You are right. I checked with the writer of the comment and got a blank look and “What post comment button?” That person has now been shown the button! Thanks.

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        Charlotte Hanbury May 5, 2012 1:30 pm Reply
        • Thank you. It can, of course, be added at any time.

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          newsroom May 5, 2012 1:33 pm Reply
    • The ‘gloating attitude’ displayed by some commentators is just evidence that their utterances are to be taken with a pinch of salt – and that they deserve pity rather than respect.

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      Robert Wakeham May 5, 2012 10:40 am Reply
  • For Lowry — Comment 20
    Donald Melville received 410 votes!
    12 votes short of ousting a long term councillor!! On his first attempt!
    I wonder if Lowry thinks that he could ever endear himself enough to 410 people to persuade them to vote for him!(or her?)

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    Dot Macdonald May 5, 2012 11:07 am Reply
    • Would Donald have got in with the less cloudy ‘first past the post’.

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      phill May 5, 2012 11:55 am Reply
      • On the first preference votes he would have indeed been elected as the fourth member of the ward, displacing Iain MacDonald.

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        Dr Douglas McKenzie May 5, 2012 2:29 pm Reply
    • I doubt whether any of those who voted for him know him in the same light as I do.

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      Lowry May 5, 2012 1:22 pm Reply
      • Innuendo is easy, and cheap if not backed up by reasoned argument.

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        Robert Wakeham May 5, 2012 1:26 pm Reply
      • Jeezo Lowry! Veiled hint and innuendo!

        What do you know him as a neighbour from Hell? the funny handshake club? or in the “biblical” sense?

        Aren’t you one for slagging off everyone else when they make an un-substantiated comment?

        So you don’t like the guy, for whatever reason. Have you ever stopped to think maybe the problem is you? From the comments you make on here, you certainly don’t come across as a people person.

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        Crazy She-Bat May 5, 2012 2:35 pm Reply
      • Donald is a nice guy don’t get me wrong, however ,the reality is that he is rightly or wrongly seen by many as ‘damaged goods’, which is perhaps borne out by the result.
        Sorry – just telling it as it is

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        The truth hurts May 5, 2012 3:12 pm Reply
  • It could be that the problem is me but I don’t think so. Too many other folk have witnessed what I have seen him do and heard him say. There’s loads of evidence.

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    Lowry May 5, 2012 2:57 pm Reply
    • It looks as if the problem is you.

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      Robert Wakeham May 5, 2012 3:33 pm Reply
  • Fair enough – if that’s what you think.

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    Lowry May 5, 2012 4:22 pm Reply
    • That’s what your ‘statements’ suggest.

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      Robert Wakeham May 5, 2012 5:19 pm Reply
  • Lowry is not the problem. I am also aware of various incidences of questionable behaviour by this candidate. Unless the SNP has moved away from the moral high ground that some contributors to this blog site seem to claim, then it should look more closely at its candidate selection criteria.

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    Spock May 5, 2012 7:35 pm Reply
    • But of course the critics remain anonymous.
      One of the depressing aspects of what would otherwise be a useful and informative website is the way that a few cowardly people snipe away with questionable contributions while lacking the guts to identify themselves.
      I accept that some contributors have reasons for withholding their identity but what excuse do Lowry and Spock have other than that what they say is damaging and without any evidence at all other than hint, hearsay and inuendo?
      Does the high moral tone within their comments suggest that they perhaps lead immaculate and blameless lives? Were they to sign their contributions we could all be the judges although I would hope that those of us who sign our names would be more charitable than they are.

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      Ken MacColl May 5, 2012 8:09 pm Reply
      • Yawn Yawn -anytime anyone suggests anything inappropriate to do with the SNP candidates or officials Ken is on to bleat about identity. – Have you ever considered maybe others know who Lowry is and simply you dont? Would Lowry’s comment be any less relevant if it was under Mr Ken Lowry or ?Mrs Dot Lowry? Would you then demand an address? In this instance I would suggest given “melon” obtained in excess of 400 votes then whatever the issues are, the public are willing to forgot or disregard as he just missed out so cant be all that bad.

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        JayC May 5, 2012 10:54 pm Reply
        • Looks like Simon’s acquired a doppelganger.

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          Robert Wakeham May 5, 2012 11:44 pm Reply
        • For the record I know who Lowry is.

          I just think it is sad that he has not got the guts to put his name to his postings and his nasty insinuations.

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          Ken MacColl May 6, 2012 12:36 am Reply
  • Crikey! So previous history doesn’t count when putting oneself forward for election!

    Do leopards change their spots after an election?

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    Lowry May 5, 2012 8:17 pm Reply
    • Well I guess they must change their spots, as the Donald Melville I was in school with and dealt with in my early working years was a stand up bloke, willing to help people and a hard worker to boot.
      But wait a minute he ran as a councillor (trying to help people) and I have seen him in the OT cleaning up Jacobs’s ladder (working within the community) damn maybe he hasn’t changed
      Lowery try picking up you’re dummy and move on hate will only eat you up my friend

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      Keith McMillan May 5, 2012 11:06 pm Reply
  • What a nasty set of comments about Donald Melville. Whoever you are, please don’t ever stand for the council. We need positive people, not this sort of pointless sniping. Luckily Mellon will continue to do a lot for the community, and better luck next time. If he had put Duncan MacIntyre out we would have had a pretty good spread of people. Even so it is not at all bad around Oban, and I am really confident that it is going to be a better place to try and get things done in.

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    Catherine Gillies May 5, 2012 8:39 pm Reply
  • I think I have finally rumbled “Simon” It could only be dastardly dick the tricky walsh, I cannot think of anyone else in Argyll with such a twisted mind. Hopefully he will be heading for Tiree this time next week

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    thorn in the flesh May 5, 2012 8:50 pm Reply
  • Well, actually I am going to Tiree this week…

    But since Tricky has an election on – don’t think he’ll be there…

    But if you want advice on who to vote for – Vote snp. The SNP those wonderful SNP people what gave you the Ali Cat…

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    Simon May 5, 2012 9:25 pm Reply
    • Surfing Simon? will make a change from trolling LOL Sorry, couldn’t resist.

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      Crazy She-Bat May 5, 2012 10:41 pm Reply
  • Sadly the masked men are given some coverage for their cowardly attacks.I would hope that FA would start to block personal attacks that come like that.Having different opinions on all that happens in our area is what makes the debate. I have also been greatly helped by information and ideas that have been given on here.I love an argument on any subject but if you attack someone personally on here it should not be accepted unless you front up with your name.If you feel so strongly about someone surely you would want them to know who you are.If you stand for any public office the stick that goes with it is the price you pay but to have abuse thrown at you from silent cowards should be kept of this site.
    Power to the People who are proud of their name.

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    Neil MacIntyre May 5, 2012 9:34 pm Reply
    • Well said, Neil.

      Honesty asnd Integrity are important

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      Ken MacColl May 5, 2012 11:07 pm Reply
    • Bad luck mate you got my second vote, hope you keep working away till the next round

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      Keith McMillan May 5, 2012 11:08 pm Reply
  • Well well another hero called JayC.
    What is the problem with you people, what are you scared of?

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    neil macintyre May 5, 2012 11:14 pm Reply
    • You people – nice term for one your prospective constituents! Power to the People eh Neil, or only ones with full names and address. Ssshhhhhh! You lost!

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      JayC May 5, 2012 11:17 pm Reply
      • Grow up.

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        Robert Wakeham May 5, 2012 11:37 pm Reply
        • Knew one of the mob would bite, 93% of the Ward electorate dont want to hear his voice – that’s democracy. Away and lie down its late!

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          JayC May 5, 2012 11:44 pm Reply
          • Correction: grow up or sober up.

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            Robert Wakeham May 6, 2012 12:13 am
  • I love it,I didn’t loose I took part.
    Keep on rowing.
    Power to the people.

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    neil macintyre May 6, 2012 12:25 am Reply
  • Crazy – “Surfing Simon” – love it 🙂

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    Simon May 6, 2012 8:51 am Reply
  • I think I have found out why some people do not give their proper name. 1. They cannot spell it and 2. They do not want people to know how bad their english (or any other) grammar is!

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    Charlotte Hanbury May 6, 2012 5:34 pm Reply
    • I think you’ll find that ‘English’ requires a capital letter at the front, but one out of two ain’t bad.

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      School Defender May 6, 2012 8:05 pm Reply
      • Even when used as an adjective (rather than a noun) to describe a language and one that’s the native language of a whole lot more countries than just England?

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        Robert Wakeham May 6, 2012 9:09 pm Reply
        • Yes.

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          School Defender May 6, 2012 10:35 pm Reply
          • Since your Christian name is School I’ll believe you.

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            Robert Wakeham May 6, 2012 10:40 pm
  • Bit late i know, but i have been out all weekend. Taking up what someone said earlier, i too have noticed that comments that don’t follow to FA’s agenda are removed. Also I heard those that make such comments get blocked.

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    Paula Jones May 7, 2012 9:03 am Reply
    • Paula, have you looked at Simon’s comments? By no stretch of the imagination could he be said to be following FA’s agenda and he’s quite abusive sometimes to boot.

      I did see a comment removed once. It said “comment removed” and gave the reason. Maybe newsroom can outline how it’s done again, but I’m not conscious of things being removed. If everyone was agreeing all the time it would be like talking to yourself would it not?

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      Anne Baird May 7, 2012 10:04 am Reply
    • Sorry , Paula, but you are simply wrong on this. Many comments that are posted are critical and contrary and are published. How else would we hear from such tolerant and generously spirited people as Simon, Lowry, JayC and Clootie Dumpling?

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      Ken MacColl May 7, 2012 2:35 pm Reply
    • Sorry Paula. That is flatly incorrect and you cannot therefore have any evidence for it whatsoever.

      In our entire lifespan we have blocked fewer than 10 comments – and that’s allowing for memory loss. They have been blocked because they were fully actionable, scatological or smearing for political advantage.

      We have also banned one person permanently because he persisted in clear libel in what was clearly a personal obsession that had nothing to do with anyone else.

      We sin-binned another for a period for an instance of outrageously poisonous manipulation.

      If anything, we should arguably have blocked a lot more comments, not in our own interests – it is patently obvious that we let anyone say what they like about us – but to offer more protection to some individuals than we have done.

      We have perhaps been overly tolerant in such cases because we prefer contributors to self-edit in the interests of observing a basic standard of civility and we believe that most people will do so.

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      newsroom May 7, 2012 5:18 pm Reply
      • Must support Forargyll on this as I am not aware of anything at all being banned. Sometimes the debates are heated but are in the whole educational and an assist in many cases to forming opinions. Sometimes anger does filter through but on the norm its passionate and not personal (which really has no place here).

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        phill May 7, 2012 6:07 pm Reply
  • I absolutly Loved the use of the word “Scatological” by Newsdesk….it a simliar vein I nearly peed my kilt laughing.

    I have stored that one away for a rainy day!

    Cheers

    MIke

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    Mike Story May 9, 2012 10:25 am Reply
    • Mike, Everyone who loves the use of words should have favourites; Here’s another one for you-defenestration. There will probably be an opportunity to use it when the Coalition for Progress start tackling the situation at Kilmory!

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      hotbird405 May 9, 2012 1:55 pm Reply

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