Prime Minister May clear that Scotland stays in the British union

In what was described as a ‘positive’ meeting today, 15th July, beween the new UK Prime Minister, Theresa May and the Scottish First Minister, Nicola Scotland, Mrs May ddeclaed her openness to considering all options put forward by Scotland in respect of relationships with the EU.

The Prime Minister was unequivocal that Scotland had had its vote, that the outcome was clear and that both governments had agreed that the decision was binding.

Mrs May has been equally clear – and equally right – that the same is true of the result of the EU Referendum, saying [as a Remainer] that ‘Brexit means Brexit – and we are going to make a success of it’.

This is a typically straightforward acceptance of the reality of the situation in an evolved democracy and one that has a welcome integrity in its respect for that democracy.

Many of us are deeply disturbed by the result in favour of Brexit, for what it says about Britain and for what it may mean for our economy. No one, however, can reasonably or fairly dispute the Prime Minister’s absolute – and enabling – clarity.

The will of the majority of the people is the engine of democracy. The losing side, whatever its size or power, cannot keep pressing for more votes on an issue until they grind down – or, the euphemism, ‘persuade’ others to see things their way.

The will of the majority was even more plainly expessed in the Scottish Referendum than in the EU Referendum.

In the September 2014 Scottish Referendum, the electorate voted to stay in the United Kindom by a majority of 55.3% to 44.7%.

In the June 2016 EU Referendum, the electorate voted to leave the EU by a majority of 51.9% to 48.1%.

In the case of the Scottish Referendum, it would take a shift of  5.5% to achieve a narrow majority the other way.

In the case of the EU Referendum – whose result similarly went against the policy and will of the Governmnt of the day – it would take a shift of 2% to achieve a narrow majority the other way.

Yet Mrs May – a Remainer – has had the integrity to insist that ‘Brexit means Brexit’.

Her position on the Scottish Referendum then has the added integrity of consistency – which the First Minister’s opportunism does not.

Scotland cannot remain in the EU and the UK, with the rest of the UK outside the EU. And if Scotland were to make a unilateral declaration of independence [UDI] from the British Union to try to join the European Union, for the same reason as the impossibility of Scotland simultaneously being a member of both unions, it would face a hard border with England and with Northern Ireland in either event.

That reason is that the unarguable driver of the narrow UK majority for leaving the EU was the uncontrollable immigration that comes with the freedom of internal movement that is an  EU condition of membership.

England in particular will not accept a soft border with Scotland in either of the two scenarios above. Scotland would become an open back door to exactly the sort of incomings that drove so many in England and Wales to reject continuing EU membership.

Scotland has not had the vigour of Mrs May’s acceptance of the will of the majority on continung membership of the UK and has made no effort to make a constructive success of that membership. Serial complaints – often manufactured – and equally serial demands do not comprise a positive attitude to playing your part in the success of the union to which you belong and which demonstrably treats you wih asymmetric generosity.

Scotland has failed to understand that as a member of a union, it has responsibilities to play an active part in the success of that union – and not just to milk it for its own ends, keeping on demanding more and more.

That behaviour is not the mark of a mature democracy.

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  • Wow! I couldn’t have put it any clearer myself. I wonder if the Prime Minister, Theresa May, had a fleeting desire on meeting Nicola, to pin Nicola up against the wall and give her a pep talk as to what’s what within the United Kingdom

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    Alistair July 15, 2016 7:18 pm Reply
  • I think PM May has the measure of Nicola Sturgeon – but in fairness to Ms Sturgeon, I don’t think she has any intention to try any ‘indyref2’ attempts.

    Nothing Theresa May has said is in any way objectionable. Mrs May was on the losing side of EUref, but you don’t see her hinting that a ‘material change’ might mean another EUref.

    Bye bye indyref2 – see you in a generation.

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    JB July 15, 2016 7:55 pm Reply
    • Do you think we’ll get unfettered access to the single market, Jamie? If not, what conditions do you think will be applied.

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      John M July 15, 2016 8:08 pm Reply
      • I’m not sure what we’ll ‘get’ John – one one hand you have the one man band Juncker making unilateral decisions and on the other you have the likes of Merkel who cannot be seen to do anything to harm German industry. I’ll turn it around to you John – what conditions can the EU apply or do you think the EU will apply that are not self harming? My view point is that ultimately the EU is in dire straits and not in a position to push too hard.

        (As I’ve explained countless times that there we have a massive trade deficit with the EU).

        The flip side is this John – we keep being warned that leaving the single market will harm our businesses, affect trade, drive up costs etc. It’s a fair argument to make.

        But the implication is that somehow other EU counties and companies can suffer the same without complaint? That’s a nonsensical argument. The EU can play hardball if it wants – but it’s economy is dire, it has huge problems with southern Med countries – are you arguing that it would deliberately aim to punish the UK knowing it will punish it’s own members too? Not a chance.

        We now have an International Trade Minister with huge amounts of experience and a mandate to get new trade deals moving – as much as the EU will ‘allow’ us for now of course (let’s not forget that). We have been acting for decades like there are no new markets out there. We’re about to find out just how many other countries want to trade more with us. I’ve always said the EU decision was about the long term – I’ve never ever argued on the basis of ‘what will happen next’.

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        JB July 15, 2016 8:30 pm Reply
        • You know Merkel is going to be isolated on this one. Germany need us the rest don’t. Can you see Merkel getting her way on this one?

          Does the entire EU economy rely on the UK? If it does, why did we leave. Would it not of made more sense to relinquish Merkel’s grip and UK to take the main lead? And if it doesn’t rely on us, I guess they won’t really care.

          I don’t believe I mentioned any sort of ‘punishment’ simply asked what conditions you thought they would apply. I guess the most obvious one is freedom of movement. How do you think that one will go?

          You have a very different opinion of Liam Fox than I have!

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          John M July 15, 2016 8:59 pm Reply
          • It’s interesting John – I think best/worst (depending on your take), we would accept this freedom but with restrictions excluding any future members or candidates (not such an issue possibly given tonight’s developments).

            Worst case/best case the rules are completely redefined – Germany might argue otherwise, but there are many other countries who would be more than happy to restrict freedom of movement – from Denmark to Austria and many in between.

            I think the interesting thing about Freedom of Movement of people whether EU or globally is that it’s treated as a sacred cow – of course, countries like Britain tend to be beneficiaries (I accept that when it is unrestricted, we cannot ignore the basic facts that growing your population at an uncontrolled rate means your servies simply cannot catch up), we forget the losers – the countries who lose their most talented people as soon as they are trained or qualified, or even before. That’s what we ignore – we’re very fortunate to have, as often cited, NHS workers who all corners of the globe – but at what cost to their home countries? ANyway, I digress. The decision has been made, the trajectory set – I think Mrs May has made a pretty good selection and it does give me confidence. Time of course will tell, but as I ask a lot of people at the moment – if you’re not happy, who would you have chosen?

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            JB July 15, 2016 10:54 pm
          • Merkel has a lot of influence in the EU but does not seem to have used it when David Cameron was trying to get better terms, I get the impression that she might now regret that now but it is too late.

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            Lundavra July 16, 2016 8:34 am
          • I can’t recall you advocating freedom of movements and it’s benefits for the UK in the run up to the vote Jamie.
            I think it’s a little disingenuous to talk about skilled migrants wanting to leave their own country, it is their choice and if they don’t come to our country they will go to another.
            If we do stay in the single market what payments do you think we will need to make? Norway with a population of 5 million and a GDP of $524billion pay €0.8 billion pa. The UK with a population of 64.8 million and a GDP of $2.85 trillion, will pay?
            With the Libdems proposing a 2nd ref on proposals for brexit and Owen Smith doing the same, is the trajectory really set? An awful lot of leave voters are angry at the lies and deceit put forward during the debate.

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            John M July 16, 2016 12:11 pm
          • Free movement ??? we now have a minimum wage of just over 7 quid…. this is a good hourly wage for an Eastern European worker, Polish, Romanian etc…

            Fact is if you take, eg: a skilled metal worker, fabricator, builder etc… they can expect around 16>25 quid an hour.an eastern european is willing to work for the minimum wage… and this is what causes the problem….good for the business owner, good for the rich…but simply a form of economic supression to our working people…

            oh and while we are on this tack, Merkle invited the middle east/north african “economic” migrants in…not because she is mother teresa…but because she knows that Germany can get more for less, and thats good for the German economy ( good for ghetto owners too)…same as the Germans did with the Turks 30 years ago…

            Scotland voted to stay in the EU for two reasons…one was obviously a nat protest and the other… because Scotland has no bloody idea yet what working class people are having to go through in England and South Wales… the economic migrant hotspots…….

            We voted to stay in the UNION and the UNION voted to get out of the EU…. get over it… win/win QED

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            Karl Hughes July 16, 2016 1:10 pm
          • Karl, are UK workers rights going to be enhanced or diminished when/if we leave the UK?

            When I voted No in the indyref it was in the belief the UK would stay in the EU. I don’t see anyone winning with Brexit, well maybe apart from those who already have plenty.

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            John M July 16, 2016 1:28 pm
          • Should be when we leave the EU not the UK.
            Edit function please!

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            John M July 16, 2016 1:29 pm
          • How can we “get over it” when Scots had it rammed down their throats by the NO campaign that they would not get access to the EU if they voted YES. Being a member of the EU, or otherwise, was a big part of the Independence debate.
            I don’t want to be in the EU, I voted to leave, but most Scots have shown that they want to remain so I have to accept that for now.

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            Murdoch MacKenzie July 16, 2016 1:51 pm
          • John, re: free movement of people – I have no preference either way. I’ve never worked in the EU and benefited from visa free stays. I’ve worked int he US and Philippines and also been to Australia on business – can’t say I had any big problems with that.

            Also – re: ‘the lies’ – can we not move past that? It’s a tired old line now, especially given that all these ‘lies’ were ‘exposed’ long before the actual vote, in debates, advertising, social media. If these were indeed ‘lies’ – anyone who took part in the debate knew about them and the counter claims.

            We need to move forwards. I know I am .

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            JB July 16, 2016 10:02 pm
          • You possibly misinterpreted my posts Jamie, I am looking forward and asking how you feel future negotiations will go for the UK in their wish to stay in the single market.
            I know you don’t like talking about issues relating to immigration, and whilst I completely accept it isn’t an issue for yourself it was one of the main drivers for people voting leave. Maybe you haven’t given a lot of thought to it so let’s move on.
            You have me slightly confused though on your suggestion people seen through the ‘lies’. Certainly those who voted remain had the vision to see them as lies, not so sure leave voters did though but I’m sure we can also come back to that one at some point.
            Any thoughts on annual payments we will need to make to the EU if we want access to the single market?

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            John M July 17, 2016 8:57 am
      • “Do you think we’ll get unfettered access to the single market, Jamie? If not, what conditions do you think will be applied.”

        The 10% or so of Scotland’s trade with EU single market or the 60%(?) of its trade that Scotland has with the rest of the UK?

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        Lundavra July 16, 2016 12:27 am Reply
        • Last time I checked Scotland was still part of the UK, so I guess I’m talking about what access the UK will have.

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          John M July 16, 2016 12:22 pm Reply
  • “Bye bye indyref2 – see you in a generation”.

    Well, we’ll see what we’ll see. 😉

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    Simon July 15, 2016 8:07 pm Reply
  • Aye,Scots will just love being dictated to by a Tory right winger !
    Argyll is now a quaint fantasy land for colonialists.
    The problem for Argyll is,the rest of Scotland is Watching with more than a passing interest!!

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    A.Salmon July 15, 2016 8:24 pm Reply
  • Has there been a statement made by either party of what was said at the meeting? Reading here it would seem that is the case.
    I have read somewhere else that the Prime Minister has said today that she will only trigger Article 50 when she has obtained a UK-wide agreement on Brexit.
    This would let her off the Brexit hook and let the English & Welsh blame Holyrood for defying their Referendum choice.
    Nicola must now demand that the Scots are asked if they want to remain in a Brexit UK, or remain in the EU as an Independent Nation. Simples.

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    Murdoch MacKenzie July 15, 2016 9:59 pm Reply
  • The essence of democracy is that while the majority gets its way the losing side can continue to argue its case, and if it can in due course attract enough support, become the new majority. A parliament is only elected for its due term, and can be replaced by another of different views and policies. So Yessers and Remainers are perfectly entitled to keep making their case, just as No voters and Leavers are.
    Referenda indicate the feelings of the electorate, but it is for parliament to take action after due deliberation ( admittedly an uncommon concept at present ) In the case of serious decisions with little chance of turning back – like constitutional change or the declaration of war – I believe that a clear majority of at least 60/40 should be required. With a thin 52/48, the decision can seesaw back and forward when a few change their minds. Mrs May would do well to go forward very cautiously, as Brexit is nowhere near so simple as the Leave leaders suggested.
    And yes – I’m quite happy to need 60/40 at Holyrood for Scottish Independence.
    Same rules for all.

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    Arthur Blue July 15, 2016 10:36 pm Reply
    • That’s very magnanimous of you. So you disagree with Callahan’s rule in the 1979 Referendum.
      I never forgave Labour for that.
      20 years later,we got our Parliament back.
      ,due to pressure from the SNP.
      The Irony is,it is perfectly feasible that over 60% will vote for Indi,next time round. Tory’s only have a maxed out 21% mandate in Scotland. That’s why Davidson has to go down south to speak. Very few listen to her up here.

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      A.Salmon July 16, 2016 3:45 pm Reply
  • Indeed, but talking of ‘Mrs May going forward very cautiously’ I’ve yet to meet anyone who didn’t think that appointing Boris Johnson to high office wasn’t precipitate and very unwise. It certainly damaged my opinion of her.

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    Robert Wakeham July 16, 2016 10:30 am Reply
  • Is Theresa May fit to be Prime Minister? On the same day she says, “Brexit means Brexit – and we are going to make a success of it”, in the next breath she is saying she “won’t trigger Article 50 without ‘UK-wide approach”.
    Sounds to me she doesn’t know what she’s saying.

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    Murdoch MacKenzie July 16, 2016 1:35 pm Reply
    • She was disaster in the Home office,just ask Ken Clarke,or even better,ask a policeman!

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      A.Salmon July 16, 2016 2:51 pm Reply
      • One of Ken Clarke’s contemporaries has voiced the opinion that Ken’s comment on Theresa May being ‘a bloody difficult woman’ was with reference to her habit of reaching a decision and then sticking to it. On balance this is surely to be welcomed – unless she sticks to decisions after new information suggests that a rethink would be sensible.

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        Robert Wakeham July 16, 2016 11:05 pm Reply
    • Makes complete sense to me Murdoch – the EU/Commission etc will have been working round the clock wince the vote determining their negotiating positions. IT’s easy for those guys – they are completely unaccountable and so they can just decide as they please. On the other hand, in the UK there are different parties/groups/nations all the hugegy differing interests.

      Now of course, you could argue that the UK govt should just fire on without asking anyone whether they agree or have specific sacred cows they would like protected – but somehow I don’t think anyone in the UK would be happy with that.

      SO full marks to Mrs May – open negotiations when we’re ready and find as much common ground across the whole of the UK BEFORE negotiations start. Can’t say fairer than that.

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      JB July 16, 2016 9:55 pm Reply
      • Britain is a nothing in Europe now ,even less to the world.
        Just a quaint old world tourist trap!
        Get over it!!

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        A.Salmon July 16, 2016 10:07 pm Reply
        • You are talking down our country again. Do you live in Scotland btw?

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          JB July 16, 2016 10:40 pm Reply
  • It is interesting to note that our Unionist friends,especially the Tory variety,are working themselves up to high dough with regards to a future potential IndiRef2.
    I thought I would highlight a fact that appears to have been omitted in reasoned argument.
    If Brown and his Friends,Cameron,Clegg and Miliband actually implemented their promise of Federalism,the subject of Independence,much to my sorrow,would be on the wane.
    Unfortunately these people are representative of a corrupt and intransigent London Cabal who’s sole aim is self preservation.
    Across the length and breadth of Scotland,The YES movement is being mobilised. Fundraising events,political hustings,leafleting and engagement from all sections of Scottish civic society. In fact the Labour party’s Scottish Branch office have many,possibly the majority,of senior politicians ready to throw their weight behind the new Indi push.
    If there are some decent unionist types out there still in denial just because some new kid on the block comes up from London to tell us we can’t have something,then think again. It will happen.Scotland will be Independent in short order.
    Don’t blame the SNP,Stugeon,Salmond,Harvie,Riddoch,et al. You can blame Brown and his cohorts who lied,not for the first time, in September 2014.

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    A.Salmon July 16, 2016 2:40 pm Reply
    • Events are passing you by AS we now have the Austraiian prime minister calling for trade deals with the U.K. It is looking like the world and his dog wishes to do business with England

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      Plugit July 17, 2016 7:05 am Reply
  • It’s very unfair of Newsie to suggest that Scots don’t embrace the Union. We’ve contributed much to the Union and continue to do so even those of us who argue for Independence because we know that no country operates in a parallel universe with its neighbour.

    Unless you are a conspiracy theorist how can one suggest that the EU has been an impediment to UK trade expansion when UK government own reports clearly show that states like Denmark with a twelfth of the UKs population has a bigger trading account with China. ?

    We won’t face a closed border because the UK supermarkets who have been the paymasters of the U.K. Parties won’t tolerate it as they will then lose even more market share to Lidl, etc.

    But even if that assessment is wrong and there is a loses border so what?

    Agrekko sells to over 150 countries from its base in Dumbarton with closed borders and does so very well.

    Successful business adapt to changing circumstance. That’s what Scottish entrepreneurs did in the Union at a time when the UK parliament hardly legislated for Scotland at all except in time of War.

    All challenges are opportunities. We as a nation will not be found wanting.

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    Graeme McCormck July 16, 2016 9:04 pm Reply
  • Talking of lying. Salmond said that our membership of the European Community would be automatic and also that he had legal advice to that effect. In the event neither of his assertions proved to be true.
    Of course a lie is only a lie if it comes from your opponents cf Carmichael?
    An interesting concept?

    r

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    Speaking Frankly July 16, 2016 9:34 pm Reply
    • I would respond to your musings however I haven’t a clue what you are trying to articulate,Frankly!

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      A.Salmon July 16, 2016 9:51 pm Reply
      • That’s because you’ve disconnected any wires in your brain that process criticism of your wonderful namesake.

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        Robert Wakeham July 16, 2016 10:23 pm Reply
  • If Mrs May is serious and Brexit unequivocally means Brexit why hasn’t she triggered clause 50? Why has she kicked it into the long grass? Why the unseemly delay?
    For all her tough talk, procrastination seems to be her modus operandi. As Home Secretary it took her years to get Abu Hamza al-Masri out of the country, she never did manage to get immigration down to her target 10’s of thousands, her attempts at data retention and investigatory powers legislation are nothing less than an endless saga of dithering, review, pre-legislative consultation and every other mechanism for inaction possible.

    Apart from Bumbling Boris, her new cabinet, lets face it, is made up for the most part of old-timers, time-serving back benchers who have from time to time been rewarded for their loyalty and compliance with junior ministerial roles in which they were never expected or required to distinguish themselves with conspicuous effectiveness.

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    jake July 16, 2016 10:49 pm Reply
    • Don’t be fooled by Boris’s ‘bumbling’ – it’s a calculated diversionary tactic to disguise an intrinsically amoral and really rather crooked politician.

      A bit like one of those angler fish that dangle a lure in front of their prey, and it’s worked – on the electorate, the press, and even Theresa May, who (whatever her rationale) has appointed a scheming crook to high office.
      Reportedly much to the astonishment, annoyance and ridicule of a growing number of foreign politicians.

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      Robert Wakeham July 17, 2016 11:32 am Reply
      • Certainly Boris has been accused of cultivating a facade of buffoonery and bonhommie to conceal a more devious and Machiavellian self interest. Whatever Mrs May’s reasons for having him in her cabinet, those same reasons can’t surely apply to the rehabilitation of Liam Fox whose standards of probity in public office previously caused such scandal.
        Do you think it’s a considered tactic on Mrs Mays part to deliberately surrounding herself with such flawed characters?

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        jake July 17, 2016 2:44 pm Reply
  • John M said: “Karl, are UK workers rights going to be enhanced or diminished when/if we leave the UK?”

    Somewhat imponderable but part of Davis’ speech the other day shows some intent in that direction; “Cutting taxes and cutting red tape – but protecting workers.

    At home, there is much we can do to make Britain a better place to do business…

    …To be clear, I am not talking here about employment regulation. All the empirical studies show that it is not employment regulation that stultifies economic growth, but all the other market-related regulations, many of them wholly unnecessary. Britain has a relatively flexible workforce, and so long as the employment law environment stays reasonably stable it should not be a problem for business.

    There is also a political, or perhaps sentimental point. The great British industrial working classes voted overwhelmingly for Brexit. I am not at all attracted by the idea of rewarding them by cutting their rights. This is in any event unnecessary, and we can significantly improve our growth rate by stopping the flood of unnecessary market and product regulation.”

    Obviously this is one speech by one minister, not proposed or actual legislation, but he is in charge of Brexit.

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    db July 16, 2016 11:10 pm Reply
    • DB – “Cutting taxes and cutting red tape – but protecting workers.” is a standard mantra for most Tories, have they ever put workers rights before big business?

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      John M July 17, 2016 9:15 am Reply
    • 🙂 couldn’t have written it better myself…

      British workers will get a better deal… for example: they will get more jobs.

      Great news about Australia, more commonwealth countries to follow no doubt.

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      Karl Hughes July 17, 2016 1:14 pm Reply
  • Some bright news on a wet Sunday morning. Robert is going to ask how I can believe this report when I don’t trust the BBC. Well it’s on other sources of the media as well, so it must be true ! ! !
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36818055

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    Malcolm Kirk July 17, 2016 8:48 am Reply
    • That picture from the BeeB reminds me of an incident many moons ago. We were having our break and the talk had turned to gardening. Peter, our manager turned to Bill, an inveterate liar who would have been a natural politician, and asked “Have you ever grown marrow’s Bill?”.
      Bill just leaned back and spread his hands out as Fox is doing in the picture.

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      Murdoch MacKenzie July 17, 2016 9:20 am Reply
      • On the other hand it could be a stock ‘Getty image’ of him describing his last sea fishing holiday !

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        Malcolm Kirk July 17, 2016 9:49 am Reply
        • More likely describing the size of his head.

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          Robert Wakeham July 17, 2016 11:21 am Reply
      • Too much starch ?

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        Karl Hughes July 17, 2016 1:17 pm Reply
  • Well,the comments on here suggest in the most part,that we should all be grateful to wonderful Torys pulling us out of the EU and replacing the expertise with Australia.now,not wanting to disparage our Ausralian friends but what are you going to trade in? Cricket Bats?
    You guys can crack on with your new found friends,Scotland will stay in the EU,come what May.
    Davis,more or less confirmed that Scotland cannot have a relationship with the EU inside UK.Nicola now has whip hand.Watch the Torys squirm now!!
    I suspect a Referendum will happen next year,culminating in a resounding victory for Independence.

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    A.Salmon July 17, 2016 1:47 pm Reply
  • Given all the lies that were told before both referendums, I can see why voters think that both results are not really what they wanted to happen. Catch 22.

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    Dunoon Lad July 17, 2016 3:58 pm Reply
  • It is refreshing to have a weeks holiday away from our Wi-FI addicted world, and SNP zealots on FA. It is amusing to return, and find their mantra-like repetition of misinformation to support their fantasy world,of the SNP taking Scotland into a nirvana of bizarre mythical Independence

    So I will correct some of their oft repeated misinformation

    The EU Issue ;- NO one in the past, nor currently, is blocking/preventing a possible Independent Scotland’s progress to EU membership :-

    1. In the run-up to the 2014 Referendum NEITHER UKGovt NOR the EU disputed, or barred any possible application to join the EU, from an Independent Scotland. David Cameron, at the time , went on record say he would support any possible Independent Scotland’s application. http://stv.tv/news/politics/265247-david-cameron-would-support-an-independent-scotlands-eu-membership/)

    2. At the time the EU merely stated the rules of any EU application. The EU’s interpretation of its own rules was an inconvenient truth for Alex S who had brazenly misled the Scottish electorate on the alledged legal advise he had, or had not taken, to argue ‘successor-state’ status to attempt to fast-track an application from an Independent Scotland.

    3. The current EU position viz a viz a membership application from an Independent Scotland is no different from 2014 ie (1) it must become an Independent State and (2) requires unanimous endorsement of all EU member states(http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/policy/steps-towards-joining/index_en.htm)

    4. Prior to (3) an Independent Scotland would have to satisfy EU criteria for membership. So has the SNP the balls to introduce a draconian budget deficit programme to validate any possible application .. I think NOT

    Currently, following the Brexit Referendum ,instead of Nicola S giving its supporters another referendum, she is only offering hot air and humbug. Why is NS demanding Scotland a place/ role in any Brexit negotiations? Is NS morphing into a Scottish Quisling?

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    Scotnat July 20, 2016 1:58 pm Reply
  • Ok…it looks like a deal is been spun to offer the UK a seven-year migration opt-out which would still give UK access to Europe’s single market… not perhaps exactly what the Brexiters had hoped for…..and France needs to come on board… personally I think the point system would be best for EU economic migrants, all migrants, anyhow… but if it does go ahead… it’ll be bye bye to Nippy and the Gnats for good…. win/win ???

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    Karl Hughes July 24, 2016 1:55 pm Reply
    • I get the impression there are a lot of back room negotiations taking place even though supposedly none until Article 50 is invoked!

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      Lundavra July 24, 2016 2:15 pm Reply
    • Iraqi Karol ,

      What’s your points system to get into Scotland? Marry a local lass? You can still get deported you know. Lol

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      No Cheese Here July 24, 2016 4:58 pm Reply

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