Curiosity of Sturgeon’s late and surprise campaign trailing of indyref 2

with incomfortabe echioelThe major curiosity in the last gasp of the Scottish Election campaign has been SNP Leader, Nicola Sturgeon’s sudden ramping up of the possibility of indyref 2.

Yes, she is still caveating like mad, hoping that the faithful will be gulled by the headlines; and, yes, it is inconceivable that she would move for a second referendum in the near to medium term – but she has started the game of inflaming expectations.

Why so?

Is the SNP’s private polling showing less stratospheric results than they had hoped?

Is RISE splitting the indy vote?

Are the Greens looking likely to steal more electoral crumbs than the SNP would tolerate?

Has the campaign strategy of focusing on ideas, propositions and more uncosted giveaways failed to disguise the fact that the party has had nine years to put ideas and propositions into action  – and nine years to pay for the constant stream of giveaways that has marked their tenancy of government?

Is nine years of inaction taking its toll on the vote?

In that nine years the SNP has done very little except mismanage and degrade performance in the key areas of education, health and policing – and make Scotland an entrenched and divided nation, viscerally focused on a single core constitutional issue that must be resolved if healing and growth are to be achievable.

And in that nine years, far from paying for the headline spending to buy mass votes, Finance Secretary John Swinney has:

  • been revealed in December 2015 by a Guardian investigation, with uncomfortable echoes of Robert Maxwell and Philip Green, to have covertly borrowed billions from pension funds as well as international banks and the UK Treasury. This spending spree is calculated to reach £50 Billion of debt by 2020.
  • run up a deficit of £15 Billion fo Scotland.

The current deficit [£14.9 Billion in 2014-15] is a near record for Scotland – and includes Scotland’s geographic share of North Sea oil and gas revenues.

The deficit figures released in March this year by Scotland’s own responsible body, Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland [GERS]  revealed the deficit that is his deficit is 9.7% of Scotland’s GDP – twice that of the UK whose deficit of £89Bn is 4.9% of its GDP.

The deficit is 17% of that of the UK – where Scotland’s  GDP is around 8% of the UK’s – something of a negative double whammy.

Were Scotland to have been independent in this performance, it would have been in the red by £2,800 per person in Scotland, raising £10,000 per person in tax revenues and spending £12,800 per person.

This is a deficit per head of 28% between earning and spending.

What Scottish household could fail to understand the impact of such a deficit on their own domestic finances?

The cost of trailing indyref 2

The sudden switch of campaign emphasis to trailing the possible imminence of indyref 2 is putting party before country in irresponsible degree.

Uncertainty as to Scotland’s near term constitutional future, ratcheted up by the once and future First Minister herself, could not be more damaging to Scotland’s economic recovery.

Businesses will not invest for growth until they have clarity to breed financial confidence. External investors will be in similar limbo. Meanwhile, jobs leach from the North Sea.

Now we have a specific timeline for indyref 2

This uncertainty took another hike on 1st May, with Ms Sturgeon telling the indy paper, The Herald on Sunday, that: ‘I will lead Scotland to independence’.

So how long can she seriously be looking to be around to do that?  There is the key to the timeline we now have.

Apart from the bathos of the echo of Moses leading the Israelites to the Promised Land, this Sturgeon pledge sets a timeline to which attention must be paid.

The SNP have had nine years in power already and are certain to win another five in the Scottish Election in three days time, Thursday, 5th May.

Margaret Thatcher got eleven years and three election victories.

Her successor, John Major got seven years and one election victory. Like Sturgeon, he inherited his role mid term from his predecessor without the benefit of an election . He went on to win one election on his own account, as she will do this week – and then suffered a cataclysmic loss to Tony Blair.

Blair got ten years and three election victories before handing over mid term to Gordon Brown – who failed fatally at the first attempt to win an election under his own banner.

Nicola Sturgeon cannot count on being First Minister of Scotland for more than this coming five years.

Her party now has no choice but to confront the state of decline their politically motivated inaction has brought about in the loss of direction in key public services; and in addressing a range of important issues they had conveniently buried but which cannot stay down for much longer.

These include managing Scotland’s income tax regime and managing other taxes devolved to Holyrood – and fracking.

The omens are not good.

Scotland’s unemployment rate, its economy and its deficit are unpromising to say the least and do not stand comparison with those of the UK.

Its spending plans are unsustainable.

John Swinney has made something of a cock-up of his first effort at tax creation – the Land and Buildings Transaction Tax with which he replaced Stamp Duty. This has damaged sectors of the housing market and has failed to deliver on the target he set for revenue raising.

It’s early days yet  but it’s been rather a cack-handed first go.

The income tax proposals for Scotland, led by the First Minister as her own, with no credit attributed to the Finance Secretary, sees  the country’s key middle earners facing a tax hike that will make them –  between income tax and council tax- more highly taxed than their counterparts south of the border.

The Daily Mail – the best selling and most successful campaigning newspaper in the UK – continues to conduct a successful campaign to expose the multiple dangers and inoperability of the dreadfully ill-conceived Named Person clause in the Children and Young People [Scotland] Act 2014.

The impact of this campaign – which has publicised this atrociously illiberal and incompetent piece of legislation south of the border – will act as a brake on families with children considering migration to Scotland.

Were they to do so, their children would immediately be placed under the supreme authority of state guardianship through a Named Person, whether or not their parents chose to engage in the process.

And so – the date

The SNP are looking at the 2021 Scottish Election as one in which their popularity will be substantially less – a process that has already begun with even Ms Sturgeon’s gold-plated popularity ratings on the plunge.

As For Argyll has said, this scenario is likely to see the SNP with no choice but to play the indy card in that election, to try to ensure their re-election.

Ms Sturgeon’s announcement in yesterday’s Sunday Herald can only be tied to such a timeline.

The politician who insists that she and her party take nothing for granted in the coming shoe-in election on Thursday, cannot be counting on her and the SNP’s gaining yet another majority in the 2021 election – and considering indyef 2 in that later term.

To do that they would in any case have to make it a manifesto matter in that election, seeking a mandate of a second referendum.

Should Ms Sturgeon and the SNP win in 2021, they cannot with any realism be contemplating now the certainty of their winning again in 2026 – making that decade-distant term the one in which Sturgeon sees herself as ‘leading Scotland to independence’.

The announcement in the Sunday Herald means one thing – that if Nicola Sturgeon is to lead Scotland to independence, the 2021 election is her only real chance of doing so.

In the foothills of endgame

That means five more years of putting off all hard decisions, leaving Scotland in limbo with scant investment, with businesses relocating their registration at least in necessary self-protection; and with yet more freebies by the bucket load, paid for by continuing covert borrowing – towards a deficit on a scale an independent Scotland could never support.

One sure fact is that Scotland will tire of the SNP and tire of Nicola Sturgeon, She lacks the depth of personality and she and her party are too much of a one note samba to survive in a politics always hungry for the new.

They have been that ‘new’ – in major measure.

They are now the establishment in every way.

The spell would appear to be weakening and the feet of clay are visible under the tattered hem of the flouncy skirts that had concealed them.

We are in the foothills of endgame – which will still  be some time away.

Ms Sturgeon’s sudden conjuring of the possibility of an early second independence referendum – expectations of which she has previously striven to cool – is a desperate play to arrest what she must privately see as the start of a decline.

Thursday will indubitably see MS Sturgeon elected as First Minister on her own account.

However, the fearfulness and caution that led her to fail to understand the momentum  the SNP infantry had placed in her novice hands – and that would have secured independence had she had the boldness to announce early that she would make it a 2016 manifesto mandate – may well limit her time at the top.

Hence 2021 is looking certain to be, willy nilly, a last throw of the dice.

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  • I love it when Nicola “Ramps it up”.I wonder who she is Ramping it up?
    I got a good idea though!!
    SNP polling is higher than the GE15 polling as it stands. She will be Happy.
    Yoons,not so!!?

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    Hugh Jazz May 3, 2016 5:07 pm Reply
  • Ps. The Mini Hack desperation has hit new levels.Im actually P!ssing myself laughing at her last will and testament!!!
    #BothVotesSNP for the only game in Town!!
    Indi2 to follow!!
    Who’s leading the No campaign this time.Michael McIntyre?Boris Johnson?
    Elma Fud?

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    Hugh Jazz May 3, 2016 5:11 pm Reply
    • Away and put on some clean clothes, before someone calls Environmental Health (if your pals in Holyrood haven’t destroyed the council in the meantime)

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      Robert Wakeham May 3, 2016 5:21 pm Reply
      • One wheel on yer wagon ………….

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        Hugh Jazz May 3, 2016 5:24 pm Reply
        • HJ

          How’s the oil market today?

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          Scotnat May 3, 2016 5:32 pm Reply
        • Hugh Jazz

          It was no surprise you didnt reply ,

          For your edification take a look at this updated Brent oil forecast ,ie today( you can’t get more updated than that !!).

          It has Brent for Dec in the $35-$39 range.

          http://www.tradingeconomics.com/commodity/brent-crude-oil/forecast

          Which, irrespective of tomorrow’s vote, is why we can all very confidently re-brand Indyref(2) as NEVERENDUM

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          Scotnat May 4, 2016 10:39 am Reply
      • Interesting that you use the phrase,one party state,in about everything you write about.Lets take your spurious claim to an elevated level..
        The U.K. Past Government,the one with the lackey Libdems,had a Referendum which proposed PR as an alternative to first past the post. I recall the SNP backed this idea,and apparently still do. This was firmly rejected thus Democracy was stifled by the UK as a whole.Puzzling to say the least!
        We then had a General election last year whereby the SNP,more or less,swept the board.Curiously,this would not have happened had PR been preferred in the Referendum.
        Now in Scotland,we have a form of PR. This was specifically designed to have a Minority Government at best.Sounds pretty Democratic to me!
        At the last Scottish election,the SNP swept the boards due to popularity with voters,knowing that a Referendum would take place if this happened.
        Now to Thursday. Polls suggest hat should the turnout approach 65%, the SNP will get a Majority again.They will have beaten the system twice,which remember,was designed to avoid this scenario,
        If the SNP repeat by achieving a Majority,it will have been achieved by popular demand.Remember this point!
        You do yourself no favours by constantly maintaining lines like one party state.
        It is perfectly obvious that you and your Union affiliated Party’s are not up to the job,and the electorate of Scotland recognise this fact.
        To say anything else is churlish at best.

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        A.Salmon May 3, 2016 7:26 pm Reply
        • Well said A SALMON.
          .
          REMEMBER SNP BOTH VOTES.
          .

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          Keitho May 3, 2016 8:45 pm Reply
        • Much of what you say ‘A.Salmon’ is fairly reasonable – the ‘one party state’ tag can be discredited – but for one thing.

          Holyrood has proven incapable of holding itself to account under an SNP majority. The committee system has failed, and as a result we have the ill thought out, ill-legislated ‘Named Persons’ scheme. We have the similarly poorly executed Anti-sectarian laws, or whatever name they were given – not worth the paper it’s written on frankly. We had an attempt to remove corroboration from all criminal trials railroaded through almost to implementation in the Criminal Justice Bill – the SNP refused to listen to reason – the legal profession were completely against it, politicians were against it and the public, when explained the proposed changes, were against it. We have Police Scotland – seemingly above scrutiny and unaccountable, able to lie to parliament and get away with it Scot free.

          These are some of the ‘big hitter’s, but there are many more. THe common theme is a majority SNP that will not scrutinise it’s own agenda, legislation, reforms. The SNP abuses it’s majority to force through what it wants and ignores any constructive attempts to improve legislation.

          But don’t take my word for it – Tricia Marwick, when she was standing down was quiet clear on this – Holyrood needs a second chamber. A real shame she had to wait until the damage was less, but at least she spoke up.

          I challenge you to find any significant number of occasions where an SNP MSP has voted against the SNP government on something significant – If you ever get into double figures over the last 9 years, I’ll be amazed.

          The SNP does not countenance scrutiny of dissent within the ranks. It even went to far as to ban it’s own members from publicly criticising the party or SNP government.

          With the above virtually indisputable, it’s quiet clear why the label ‘one party state’ is being used more often. The SNP count on Joe Public not paying too close attention to their activities in parliament – if they did, they’d be horrified at how the SNP act and abuse their power.

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          JB May 3, 2016 9:16 pm Reply
          • I was considering rebutting your repost however when you choose to make Children a Political weapon,I draw the line.
            If the N.P law saves just one child’s life,it will be a good law.
            Today’s Court Case in England should shame us all.
            Just for the record.When I applied for my passport,I had to give a named person,my Doctor.

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            A.Salmon May 3, 2016 9:45 pm
          • Interesting response, were you an SNP politician, you would of course have made a perfect illustration of my point.

            Welcome to debate SNP style!

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            JB May 3, 2016 10:45 pm
          • If the people of Scotland wanted a bigger opposition to the SNP, they would have voted for that. They didn’t, so they don’t.

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            Jams O'Donnell May 4, 2016 6:35 pm
          • No one said ‘bigger’. This is about better opposition. Do keep up.

            The election is held tomorrow by the way – let’s see the outcome.

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            JB May 4, 2016 7:16 pm
    • Huge A. Whom so ever leads the “No” campaign, if there ever is a campaign would immediately lose out on a head count of “fudds” one , Elma ( it’s actually Elmar, but I understand that Bugs Bunny might be a difficult serie of stories for one with a single figure IQ to grasp) lots fewer than the multitudes on “yes” side as evidenced on here?

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      sokay May 3, 2016 8:00 pm Reply
      • Oooooooh! Touchy eh?

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        Hugh Jazz May 3, 2016 8:10 pm Reply
  • Why are our residents Nats so ultra sensitive to ANY comment that is vaguely critical of the SNP? C’est bizarre.

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    JB May 3, 2016 6:30 pm Reply
    • This regular Nat is not “so sensitive” JB
      The reality is the SNP’s opposition cannot lay a glove on them just like the opposition posters on here.
      Not up to the job it seems.
      .
      SNP x both votes
      .

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      Keitho May 3, 2016 8:49 pm Reply
      • well, let’s see how Ruth goes – in the last session, she did pretty well at showing up Sturgeon, who did her usual of answering another question, rather than the one Ruth Davidson asked.

        It’s odd- SNP types seem to revel in poor opposition from Labour – whilst apparantly ignorant to the fact that the only people who suffer from this are the people of Scotland- the result being bad legislation which affects everyone in Scotland.

        Keitho – if, like me, you want a government that is helf to account, then you’ll not get that by voting SNP both votes (obviously). Will you do the right thing for Scotland and vote Conservative with your Regional vote?

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        JB May 3, 2016 9:22 pm Reply
        • Hi JB
          I reckoned Ruth had her poorest debate. She came over a bit like a bullish spoilt child. Her earlier debate was much better.
          The nearer to the election the more anxiety takes over perhaps.
          Good luck to all the candidates, it takes a lot of self belief to expose yourself the way an election foes.

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          Keitho May 3, 2016 10:35 pm Reply
          • *last session of parliament

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            JB May 3, 2016 10:39 pm
        • Anyone who has the stupidity to vote conservative anywhere, at any time, deserves what they will get – which is a metaphorical kick in the guts, and a reduction in their living standards – unless of course they are among the more privileged in society, in which case they will be richly rewarded.

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          Jams O'Donnell May 4, 2016 6:41 pm Reply
          • Really jams? Answer one single question – which party raised the threshold at which people pay tax so significantly that it saves every single person hundreds of pounds per year?

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            JB May 4, 2016 7:15 pm
  • I think the voters will speak, and that they will speak clearly. The electors know what the parties stand for and what they have delivered. Labour will be wiped out and the Conservatives are trying to take comfort in the crumbs. But at the end of the day the Tories and Labour are minority parties.

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    willie May 3, 2016 7:21 pm Reply
    • willie, you seem to ignore the thing all hard working people want, continuity of employment, the scottish economy to grow, job security, ambition.
      I haven’t heard anything about that only tax and more tax, benefits and even more benefits, great economics reducing numbers of tax payers and higher rates.
      Definitely a vote winner

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      Richard May 3, 2016 8:03 pm Reply
      • From someone who regularly posts weak posts that is one is so weak you should apologise to your fellow Tories, eh Tulip?

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        Keitho May 3, 2016 8:54 pm Reply
        • Keitho, I don’t support the Tory party but unlike you I have a business to run and want to see the economy grow.
          I do not support a culture of handouts and low esteem.

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          Richard May 3, 2016 9:11 pm Reply
          • Must be a weird business you have cause you’re always on hereLOL.
            Now get the finger out and make plenty of profit,pay your Capital gains and supplement my Pension.
            On a more serious note,I hope your not one of Hesse lifestyle,ahem,business people.
            They do sod all for Scotland’s Productivity levels but want plenty of grants. Wasters!

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            Hugh Jazz May 3, 2016 9:26 pm
          • Jazz, I live in the real world and pay all UK taxes due on time, it would be a good idea for you to get of your backside, life’s different to your fantasy world.

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            Richard May 3, 2016 9:35 pm
          • Your not the only running a business Tulip.

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            Keitho May 3, 2016 10:41 pm
          • Yeah? I run a business too, but handouts are required for those inevitably disadvantaged by the system we exist under, which is rigged so that the rich and privileged can make themselves richer and more more privileged. People like you who seem to regard running a business as some kind of passport to superiority are an integral part of this system

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            Jams O'Donnell May 4, 2016 6:48 pm
  • The threat of another independence referendum is the only reason why I won’t even consider a vote for SNP. If it weren’t for that lurking in the background, a truly Scottish focused party has a lot of appeal.

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    Jerry McIver May 3, 2016 9:56 pm Reply
    • I have been browsing these pages for some weeks now without comment however your post interested me.
      After much soul searching and discussions with neighbours,I have decided to vote SNP. They suit my circumstances,now I will probably stay in Scotland for the rest of my life. My wife happens to be Scottish and has warmed to Nicola Sturgeon of late.
      I simply couldn’t give my votes to any other Party. They seem devoid of any tangible way forward.
      Anyway,when in Rome…..

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      R.B Stoker May 3, 2016 10:17 pm Reply
      • I truly believe no party is setting out to do anything bad and will each in their own way do what they believe is right and good for the country. As such, there is no ‘wrong vote’. Truth is, there are aspects of each policy of each party I agree with so I am not wedded to one colour or another simply because ‘I’ve always voted this way’. SNP haven’t done a terrible job and have Scotland clearly in focus, they are neither left or right leaning in my view.
        I agree with Labour that if you want better public services you must be prepared to pay for them and Scotland does now have the power, so a penny on tax is fine with me. I agree with the LibDems on some things. I agree with Conservatives that an all powerful single parliamentary party is not good for Government and a strong opposition is healthy. Even the Green’s have some things I like. I get irritated at the constant snipes of ‘Tory Austerity’. Scottish Government have power to raise tax and spend it how they want. Scottish Government have chosen not to raise extra tax and seem to have forgotten how fragile things were a couple of years back, and that the SNP’s independence plan was built on a sand castle of oil revenues that have since evaporated. Austerity now? We dodged a missile, never mind a bullet in 2014.

        Fundamentally, like SNP believes that Scotland should remain in the EU and have play by their rules, I believe Scotland should remain part of the UK. We’ve played that card, the country decided. Move on. I’m not going to lend my support to SNP wanting to have another go. None of the other parties are a significantly worse option to back.

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        Jerry McIver May 4, 2016 7:11 am Reply
      • It is good that you plan to spend the rest of your life in Scotland given that, if you own your own home, the value has stalled in comparison to the rest of the UK, there will come a time when you simply will not be able to sell and buy elsewhere. This is due to a lack of demand caused by the continued uncertainty of possible independence. Also, I hope you are not relying on a state pension because, an independent Scotland will not be able to afford to pay you. These are the simple truths. Further if, you live in a larger than average house, you will be expected to pay a surcharge on your council tax. Is that not bedroom tax?

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        Arfur Sixpence May 4, 2016 8:43 am Reply
      • Well done, Mr Stoker. Assimilation is the way to go.

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        Jams O'Donnell May 4, 2016 6:50 pm Reply
  • #BothVotesSNP
    Nicola answers to Scotland not London.

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    Hugh Jazz May 3, 2016 10:11 pm Reply
    • HJ, Ms Sturgeon thinks she can dictate to Scotland, hence her dismissal of the promise she made on the independence referendum and her statement that she will decide when to hold another referendum .
      Is that answering to Scotland? go away and get some help.

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      Richard May 3, 2016 10:18 pm Reply
      • I thought you had a business to run?
        Is it Ann Winters?

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        Hugh Jazz May 3, 2016 10:23 pm Reply
        • By the way, HJ, who’s your Named Person?.

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          Robert Wakeham May 3, 2016 10:55 pm Reply
          • Dick

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            Hugh Jazz May 4, 2016 11:22 am
  • The people will decide when and if a referendum is to be called.
    Nicola will implement it.
    YES will win it.
    WHEN is the unknown

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    Keitho May 3, 2016 10:48 pm Reply
  • Nicola Sturgeon poses with a copy of the Sun, a Murdoch rag which smeared the name of the Hillsborough dead before their bodies were cold, and all in the same week as a new inquest finds they were wrongfully killed. Stay classy SNP.

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    db May 3, 2016 11:07 pm Reply
  • Having also browsed this site off and on for some time, I find the level of pish and tosh from all sides alternates between amusing and irritating.

    Anyway, I shall not trouble myself to vote. After all, what does it matter who has the majority, in what that Great Scot, Billy Connolly called “A Wee, Pretendy, Parliament?

    I shall conserve my energy for more important constitutional matters. Viz, in the event that the British Prime Minister permits another referendum to be held on Independence for Scotland, I, and the rest of that huge, silent, mass of sensible Scots will trot off to the polling stations to put it to bed, again.

    Deo gratia E2R, in Fidelis Defens.

    God Save The Queen.

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    Proudest Scot in the UK May 3, 2016 11:13 pm Reply
  • There will be no Indy ref. 2.Just watch Sturgeon’s body language and listen to exactly how she talks about it. Slippery politician speak, too scared to tell the truth because otherwise she would lose the support of those who are there purely for the dream of an independent Scotland. Most of them do not care about the running of the state or the consequences of SNP right wing policies.

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    Lowry May 4, 2016 9:05 am Reply
    • Very true. I meet rather a few people who only vote SNP for independence – they don’t care about and will not defend the SNP.

      Sturgeon knows she needs to try keep these people onboard or lose them. Who is using who – that’s the question.

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      JB May 4, 2016 9:37 am Reply
      • Get real JB
        The best party with the best people to run the country, independent or not is the SNP. Just look at the alternatives, its terrifying.
        .
        That is why most people will vote SNP.
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        Remember SNP X Both votes.
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        Keitho May 4, 2016 10:29 am Reply
        • This is as real as it gets keitho – people I speak to. The SNP fraternity have been so busy talking down scottish politics they have forgotten that in doing so, they disenfranchise their own people.

          The SNP may be no better or worse than any other party at running the country – I accept that. But there are some fundamental issues that need addressing – either you accept that or you bury your head in the sand.

          I’m keen for another 5 years SNP – let’s see how that goes. I would say the SNP in their current guise are about the same as New Labour – and look how that ended up. We cannot end this nonsense until they are found out. 5 years will do it I reckon, thenback to coalition.

          That’s the reality – if you can’t see it – it’s not my problem or issue – it’ll be yours once the ‘new’ SNP supporters realise they’ve been taken for granted and the SNP have more in common with the Tories than they do with Labour – and abandon the SNP as quickly as they joined.

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          JB May 4, 2016 10:59 am Reply
          • A desperately stupid post.One of the best.
            Let me spell it out for you.
            Nobody I have met that voted Yes will ever vote for a Yoon Party again.
            No return to “Yoon fed”
            Get it!

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            Hugh Jazz May 4, 2016 11:12 am
          • Regarding the people you meet – I do actually believe you sunshine – I really do 🙂

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            JB May 4, 2016 11:40 am
          • Well JB you have done your best.
            Your latest post? I can find nothing to agree with.
            Are the Tories fit to govern Scotland? I don’t think so.
            Have the Libdems anything to give to a coalition? They only take. Tavish Scott by refusing the offer of coalition from the SNP in 2007 resulted in proving minority government can work. They only have themselves to blame.
            What do Labour have to offer. They are toxic now like the Tories. A party that may have to start from the beginning again.
            The Greens whether you like them or not are a party with a conscious. They may well be the conscious of the next government. I have no problem with that.
            The SNP are way ahead in every department and deserve to be the party of government. The opposition need to get organised and get rid of their “SNP bad”agenda.
            Coalition politics may or may not be what results from tomorrow. Consensus politics instead of SNP BAD would be much better for all including the aforementioned parties.
            They might be too stupid to realise that fact.
            .

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            Keitho May 4, 2016 1:25 pm
        • Keitho, you are correct and the Chancellor loves the tax proposals, a windfall for him and of course the north of england has open doors for businesses and people to relocate and enjoy a competitive tax regime that rewards success.

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          Richard May 4, 2016 2:23 pm Reply
    • Did someone stand on your scone?
      Just go to bed for a few days.less stress!!
      #BothVotesSNP

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      Hugh Jazz May 4, 2016 11:15 am Reply
  • Surely Mini Hack could give us one more SNP Baaaaad before the poll doors open tomorrow.
    It’s worked for us so far.
    I reckon Mini and Kez are working for the SNP.What do you think readers?

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    Hugh Jazz May 4, 2016 11:20 am Reply
  • HJ

    I note you have ‘missed’ my earlier post re the absence of your reply to my enquiry yesterday if you had checked the oil market.

    It was no surprise you didnt reply.

    For your edification take a look at this updated Brent oil forecast, ie today you can’t get more updated than that!!).
    It has Brent for Dec in the $35-$39 range.
    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/commodity/brent-crude-oil/forecast
    Which, irrespective of tomorrow’s vote, is why we can all very confidently re-brand Indyref(2) as NEVERENDUM

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    Scotnat May 4, 2016 11:21 am Reply
    • Too busy ensuring #BothVotesSNP to bother about your pulp.

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      Hugh Jazz May 4, 2016 11:37 am Reply
  • HJ

    Once more, you are so, so, so, predictable. My ‘pulp’ obviously caused you discomfort. Quite a few FA readers noted your discomfort.

    Off you go, ensure your SNP 1&2 and FA readers NEVERENDUM.

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    Scotnat May 4, 2016 11:49 am Reply
    • The only discomfort I will be experiencing will be due to me eating too much popcorn,watching the Yoons on the BBC going Down!!
      Your discomfort will be somewhat different!!!

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      Hugh Jazz May 4, 2016 3:38 pm Reply
      • So let me check – if on Friday we find that the SNP have 48% of the vote and other parties have the remainder – would that be classed as ‘Yoons going down’?

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        JB May 4, 2016 4:10 pm Reply
        • You forgot greens and Rise.
          Total pro indi vote will be 58%.
          Worried,you should be!!

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          Hugh Jazz May 4, 2016 8:17 pm Reply
  • “Jittery SNP fears Sturgeon may not secure a majority” Herald 4 May.

    No smoke without fire – they’ve obviously peaked. I think the slide down the way may not be as comfy or quick as the way up.

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    Lowry May 4, 2016 6:00 pm Reply
    • Don’t believe all you read Lowry – the Herald is an SNP rag, no matter what the comments suggest. It’s a ruse to scare people into voting SNP nothing more.

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      JB May 4, 2016 6:05 pm Reply
      • Oh,That’s nice,as Mrs.Brown Says.

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        Hugh Jazz May 4, 2016 8:13 pm Reply
    • Depends how many sharp rocks there are under the snow.

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      Robert Wakeham May 4, 2016 6:05 pm Reply
    • If you believe
      the SNP will slump,you are in for a very bumpy landing,early Friday morning!

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      Hugh Jazz May 4, 2016 8:15 pm Reply
  • Reading through the Yoon posts,it seems the hallowed veneer is about to stripped bear bollock.
    Nasty little lot,the Bitterfest will reach a crescendo around about 4am on Friday morning ,then it will die off to the sound of a wet fart!

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    Hugh Jazz May 4, 2016 9:15 pm Reply
  • How do the cowards Hugh Jarz and KeithOw explain the conservative success???
    They could start by growing a pair and posting under their real names.

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    Steve Barlow May 6, 2016 7:01 pm Reply
    • I doubt they’ll be back for a while – drones out to try disrupt political debate. Ironically, their input would probably turn more people off the SNP, esp the person ‘Hugh Jazz’.

      Nice and peaceful here tonight – interesting reading back through this in the light of the results this morning. SNP Both votes indeed!They wouldn’t listen to Prof Curtice would they?!

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      JB May 6, 2016 9:34 pm Reply

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