Arrogance and ignorance of ‘SNP chief’ could lose the grassroots

One of the SNP’s two long standing feather-bedded MEPs, Alyn Smith  – described as ‘SNP chief’? [now you have it] – has seen fit in the media today, 20th September:

  • to rule out indyref 2 ‘for years’;
  • to patronise and set aside the forceful drive for independence – the party’s sole purpose for existence –  by the majority of the SNP’s members;
  • to ignore Nicola Sturgeon and criticise John Swinney’s performance with the economy.

This was some gig.

What Smith, a member of the SNP’s National Executive Committee [NEC], said was not even correct.

He declared that no one at the top of the party was interested in or talking about a second independence referendum. Worse, he expressed this in such a way as to dismiss the grassroots beyond some invisible line within which exist those who are ‘in the SNP’.

Mr Smith told the Scottish Mail on Sunday [Ed: our emphases]: ‘There is nobody in the SNP, truly there is nobody, talking about bringing forward another referendum’.

So – in addition to the obscuring of Alex Salmond and Jim Sillars, the view from the summit of Ben Smith does not see Cabinet Secretaries as being ‘in the SNP’ – and certainly not, along with the geat numbers of the grassroots members,  as ‘somebodies’ in the SNP.

One week ago today, two Cabinet secretaries,  Richard Lochhead, [Rural Affairs] and Angela Constance [Education] were revealed to be signed up members of the 10,000 strong Yes 2 Scotland’s Independence, a group established to campaign for a second referendum. Yet the percipient Smith sees ‘nobody in the SNP talking about bringing forward another referendum’?

It is also in the public domain that there is a session for SNP councillors slated for the party’s upcoming October conference, focusing on a second independence referendum. Are elected councillors [who, unlike MEPs, really do have to work for their seats and answer to their electorate more directly than any other elected politician] also, according to Smith, not ‘in the SNP’, relegated with the grassroots, Cabinet Secretaries and legendary party elders to the status of ‘nobody’?

It got worse.

By saying ‘There’s a lot of other things going on in Scotland that we need to be kicking on, like the economy’ [one in the mouth for John Swinney there] – Smith appeared airily to dismiss as of secondary importance the one thing the SNP exists to make happen. Independence. His priority is the ‘lot of other things going on’.

Where has he been?

Ah – Brussels. The cushiest number of the lot for those lacking what it takes to get elected on their own strength. That figures.

And it got worse again.

Warming to his theme and conferred importance as ‘party chief’, Mr Smith said of a second indyref [Ed: the emphases are ours]: ‘I don’t think there’s an appetite for it beyond the 30% of the population that really wants to see this happen – and they’ll always want to see this happen and that is great, that’s my team. But in terms of the others, I don’t think we would be thanked for bringing it forward. It’s only a year.’

But when has there been a year like this in Scottish or British politics?

This has ‘only been the year’ the SNP almost completely obliterated Labour  – Labour – from any representative capacity for Scotland in the Union parliament; not to mention dispatching the Liberal Democrats in the same vigorous mode.

Its easy to see why Alyn Smith has, to date, gone safely to Brussels. This is man clearly given to looking one almighty gift horse in the mouth.

But it might not be a runner?

What horse in this particular field has the SNP’s sort of track record? And you don’t get this sort of  speed out of a distance runner or out of a horse that’s good over the sticks. A seasoned punter would put his money on this one – over a short distance.

It is no surprise that the SNP’s master-punter, Alex Salmond, has been feverishly talking up an early indyref 2 as the current leadership sucks its teeth and wants to wait for a guaranteed win. There is no such thing. Fortune favours the brave.

It is not in the nature of winners to consider ‘the others’ – and it has never been in the nature of ‘my team’ – as Mr Smith so possessively describes the SNP’s mighty grassroots – a team that if he is leading at all he is leading from behind, as they outpaced him long ago.

Interestingly, Smith is not reported in the piece as making any reference whatsoever to his party leader and First Minister. He appears to have been speaking ex cathedra from his own position of eminence.

It would seem that Smith is one of the many who realise that the lack of a clear direction from the leadership is disheartening the grassroots and spooking the business sector. In a spirit which his leader is unlikely to appreciate – he has taken it upon himself to provide that missing direction, hoping to sell the virtues of the long haul to the sprinters that have towed the SNP to its current heights.

The MEP may even have felt that he was being helpful to the First Minister by taking the responsibility to say in public what she clearly wants – but will not say, as she is still trying to play both ends against the middle.

That aside, how could Smith have imagined he was being helpful in providing stability to sectors of the electorate and the business community who are unsettled by the continuing uncertainty?

  • He is a politician who spends most of his working life out of the territory and on a gravy train none of ‘my team’ could imagine.
  • He is making a factually incorrect and misleading statement that cannot even put a number on ‘the years’ he says it will be to a second indyref.
  • He dismisses as unworthy the instincts of the grassroots to whom the SNP owe everything they have today.

Let’s look at Mr Smith’s cited ‘30% of the population’ he says are passionate about wanting independence. He must have been speaking as loosely as he was thinking, since he cannot seriously have been talking about ‘the population’ but the electorate.

If his 30% are the majority of those who voted Yes a year ago, why should the will of that 30% be set aside by the other 14.5% who voted the same way?

If these were the 30% to which the MEP refers, they became 40% of the force that drove the SNP to a numbing wipe out of the opposition in the 2015 UK General Election.

But there is no respect ‘in the SNP’, as MR Smith puts it, for the heart and muscle of that force. Despite what they have done, despite what they are ready to do for the last push for indy, the ‘somebodies’ ‘in the SNP’ who know better are not prepared to empower this community of their own  – but are to require them to wait ‘for years’.

Good luck with that.

Scotland can wait no longer. The country and everyone in it is holding their breath and waiting. No one can plan a life, a job, a business, even a place. It was borderline manageable during the endless three years of the indyref 1 campaign. It seems sadistic and self destructive now.

We have to see an end to the dithering of the SNP leadership, imposing paralysis on Scotland and on those who live and work here.

If it’s going to be indy, let’s get on with it.

For Argyll continues editorially to see Scottish independence as wrong headed, small minded and economically illiterate, putting the most vulnerable at the greatest risk should the enterprise fail. We will continue to make those arguments  on evidence – and if Scotland chooses independence, we’ll be going nowhere but adding our voice to what tattered opposition remains in what will effectively be a one party state.

Although this is emphatically what we do not editorially wish to see, we would be glad of any end to this interminable shadow boxing.

The inability of the SNP leadership to see what is genuinely its own final opportunity, its dishonest playing with the emotions and potency of its own grassroots and its inability to see the economic damage this limbo is doing to business, investment and the economy, is leaving us unnerved about its ability to govern an independent country with no back stop.

If the leadership decides that the best future for Scotland is playing a leading role in a federal United Kingdom, with unparallelled independence within that union – that is an intelligent and honourable conclusion which would have been achieved wholly by the SNP and its redoubtable supporters.

If that’s the direction of travel of those ‘in the SNP’, they owe it to the others whom, according to Smith, they do not quite see as being ‘in the SNP’ and who have fuelled their stratospheric rise – to come clean.

The thing to watch for is the result of the 2016 Scottish election.

However the First Minister may hesitate; however the Finance Secretary is dreading having to take responsibility in exercising powers very much greater than those he has had and has avoided using to date – if the grassroots make their big push anyway and deliver a thumping majority for the SNP next May – on whatever weasel words are in the party’s manifesto; if they show the fearful Sturgeon that she can win, she will have to go for it.

The future of the SNP and of the dream of independence is not now in the hands of the First Minister and the ‘nobodies’ ‘in the SNP; who are ‘truly’ not thinking about it. It is in the hands of the grassroots. It all depends on just what they can make happen in May 2016.

They are the only game in town.

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  • The SNP spent the 2 years prior to the referendum doing very little of anything lest they offend someone and they’ve not set the heather alight in the year since, so

    ‘There’s a lot of other things going on in Scotland that we need to be kicking on, like the economy’

    is pretty much on the money even if it is stating the obvious.

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    db September 21, 2015 12:34 am Reply
  • This is the same Alyn Smith who with our MSP James Mather stood at a packed public meeting in Dunoon promising that the SNP would provide a world class frequent car ferry service between Dunoon and Gourock. We got a couple of tubs providing a designed to fail servise.

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    Ian Mc Rae September 21, 2015 8:52 am Reply
  • Is the Mail on Sunday newspaper still functioning?

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    REIDA September 21, 2015 6:39 pm Reply
  • Pork anyone??

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    Hugh Jazz September 21, 2015 10:23 pm Reply
  • Absolutely shocking allegations that Prime Minister Cameron was involved in putting his private parts in the mouth of a dead Pig.

    If true this is depravity outside all recognised acceptable behaviour.

    There can be no place in our society for bestiality and necrophilia and the fact that it is alleged of a serving Prime Minister beggars belief.

    What if it had been a dead child?

    Cameron must be suspended pending investigation. This cannot, like Jimmy Saville’s rape and molestation of children be swept under the Westminstercarpet.

    This is behaviour that even animals would find repulsive.

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    Bill September 21, 2015 10:29 pm Reply
  • Pork Anyone ?

    I presume by that comment Hugh you are referring to the allegation by Lord Ashcroft that Prime Minister Cameron put his genetalia into a dead pig’s mouth.

    Stomach churning allegations altogether that cannot be ignored.

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    willie September 21, 2015 10:52 pm Reply
    • I could think of all sorts of ‘hot topics’ to divert attention from the SNP MEP in question – how about your views on the VW diesel scam, Hugh Jazz & Willie?

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      Robert Wakeham September 21, 2015 11:40 pm Reply
      • Now now Robert – when it comes to priorities, Cam Bashing comes way ahead of anything else. I mean – there’s not really much else of importance going on in the UK and around the world for people to get angry about, is there?!

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        JB September 22, 2015 7:18 am Reply
        • Oink oink!

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          No Cheese Here September 22, 2015 1:34 pm Reply
          • A pig in boots

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            John M September 22, 2015 2:33 pm
          • Tartan bovver boots.

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            Robert Wakeham September 22, 2015 4:58 pm
        • A possible Cameron explanation allegedly “…Now, I have to go back to work on my State of the Union speech. And I worked on it until pretty late last night. But I want to say one thing to the anglo brit people. I want you to listen to me. I’m going to say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that porkine, Miss Piggy. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the Anglophiles. I vow and pledge my love to her purring Majestie..Thank you.” “.. Where’s Boris?..”

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          No Cheese Here September 25, 2015 11:37 am Reply
      • Pork,Robert!!
        And you think these disgusting Bast&@ds are a diversion!!
        Pork indeed.

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        Hugh Jazz September 22, 2015 8:47 pm Reply
    • Even the people behind the book seem to admit that there is no evidence and that it was probably made up to increase book sales.

      I like the Tweet that Corbyn favourited about him sticking his in something much more unpleasant!

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      Lundavra September 22, 2015 1:34 pm Reply
  • What David Cameron is alleged to have done (and let us not forget it is nothing more than alleged just now) is undeniably distasteful to the vast majority of people. However we once again see the hypocrisy of moral outrage about something that happened many years ago whilst seemingly happy to ignore inappropriate behaviour from prior years by people from within the party of preference.
    David Cameron is apparently verging on human vermin for this alleged act – almost being compared to child molesters and is not fit for office.
    Meanwhile our own MSP, Brendan O’Hara, in the past, has made remarks which suggest he is a sectarian bigot. Surely a character trait which means he isn’t fit for office, especially as he is supposed to represent all regardless of religion or football team affiliation!
    I guess we all have a line we don’t cross. Personally my line is well before sectarian bigotry and also sexual behaviour with animals, alive or dead! Maybe the latter is deemed OK by Bill, Hugh Jazz, and Willie or is it just that they refuse to criticise a member of the SNP?

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    Integrity? September 22, 2015 1:14 pm Reply
    • CORRECTION: That should say ‘former’ not ‘latter’ in last sentence.

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      Integrity? September 22, 2015 1:15 pm Reply
  • Oh dear an allegation published in a book about our Prime Minister putting his genatalia into the mouth of a dead Pig and we have Integrity somehow suggesting that such behaviour doesn’t warrant moral outrage.

    Is it really being suggested that necrophilia and bestiality are acceptable because it was a long time ago.

    Seems that it is.

    Well there are stories about paedophilia rings in Westminster and we all know how Saville was comprehensively covered up.

    Still waiting too for the BBC to say what the allegations against Cameron but of course, the BBC was at the heart of child sex abuse.

    Indeed,just look at the line of BBC stars now languishing in jail – and of course their biggest star Sir Jimmy Saville had a thing about dead bodies.

    A bit like putting your genetalia in a dead Pig.

    Thoroughly depraved and no amount of time ameliorates such behaviour for anyone.

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    willie September 22, 2015 3:33 pm Reply
    • Do you actually read what you’re ranting about before you start thrashing your fingers on the keyboard Willie?

      If you did then you have missed my point ridiculously badly. Or do you just want to avoid the question about whether you are ok with religious bigotry?

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      Integrity? September 22, 2015 9:51 pm Reply
  • In the report re Mr Cameron I saw, the authors qualified their accusation by adding ‘although there is no proof this took place’. Hope he sues !
    However on a much more serious potential accusation, Mhairi Black SNP, as we all know made a headlining first speech in the House of Commons a while back. I questioned the truth of what she said re the pathetic soul mentioned. I asked some MSPs to look into it and was replied to by Michael McMahon MSP as Convenor of the Welfare Reform Committee who said he would see what he could find out.
    His subsequent reply confirmed that nobody seemed to know anything about the poor man who brought tears to the eyes of some, as he could not be found.
    Now ! Do you not think that if this man was real, he would have not found out ,directly or indirectly, that he had been mentioned in a speech at Westminster which had received massive publicity partly because of him ? Do you not think that if he was that badly off he would not have ‘cashed in’ wherever possible on this publicity ? Would journalists from the Conservative bashing news industry not have been banging on his door ? What an opportunity missed.
    However if he did not exist and Mhairi Black SNP MP told ‘porkies’ at her first opportunity then …………….. !

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    Malcolm Kirk September 22, 2015 3:36 pm Reply
    • What are you suggesting? Something like this?

      http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/18/dwp-admits-making-up-positive-quotes-from-benefits-claimants-for-leaflet

      Not the SNP….pure as the driven snow they are!

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      JB September 22, 2015 3:53 pm Reply
      • That appears to be a leaflet of encouragement to go down the right road. If it had been used by a member of the Westminster Parliament in a statement to Parliament claiming it was true, then that is a different matter as I am sure readers will agree.

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        Malcolm Kirk September 22, 2015 4:16 pm Reply
        • ’twas indeed Malcolm – and yet apparently it was unacceptable and pressure was put in DWP to remove these – as seen on social media…Hopefully MB wouldn’t try the same thing lest she incur the wrath of her own supporters who were aghast at the DWP! God forbid!

          I’m sure some SNP spin doctor already has the rebuttal prepared however!

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          JB September 22, 2015 4:47 pm Reply
    • I know the guy she was talking about.
      Now give it a rest,you utter lunatic.

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      Hugh Jazz September 22, 2015 8:50 pm Reply
      • Just fancy that eh?

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        JB September 22, 2015 8:54 pm Reply
      • Do we assume on the lack of evidence offered, that there are liars top to bottom in the SNP

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        Malcolm Kirk September 23, 2015 8:52 am Reply
    • Dearie Me, Malcolm. You think that this poor, poor man would prostrate himself before the press to earn a crust. There are many poor people in this world who have more dignity in their wee toe than all the Red and Blue Tories piled together have in all their beings. I very much doubt if this man wants to open up his private life to the likes of them.

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      Murdoch MacKenzie September 23, 2015 10:35 am Reply
      • Good God Murdoch ! ! Your posts get crazier by the day. You can’t really believe what you have just said – can you ? Constantly making excuses for SNP lies and distortions only lowers your status here – and no doubt elsewhere. Why don’t you sometime suggest to HJ and NCH and others to cut out their low brow comments as they are not doing the SNP any favours. However us non SNP supporters will to be delighted and amused if they continue.

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        Malcolm Kirk September 23, 2015 10:51 am Reply
        • Of course some of my posts are crazy to you. You stated above, “Would journalists from the Conservative bashing news industry not have been banging on his door ? What an opportunity missed.”
          You have obviously never spent much time among poor people, you do not even begin to understand that when all that they have left in this world is their dignity and self-respect these become sacrosanct in their lives. Unlike your leader, they might live in poverty but they live respectable lives.

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          Murdoch MacKenzie September 23, 2015 12:04 pm Reply
          • Another mistake and assumption. I come from a working class town and a while back had a small retail business in a tenement area of Edinburgh. I dealt with 100s of wonderful people, many retired, on a daily basis. Great days with great people. They lived respectable lives within the limits of their income,which as with today, is never enough but there were very few who were ‘poor’ in the way you imply. Living within one’s income applies to all of us.

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            Malcolm Kirk September 23, 2015 1:46 pm
        • You are the best advert for Scottish Independence,known to man!!

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          Hugh Jazz September 23, 2015 4:12 pm Reply
      • I agree Murdoch. I don’t suspect the man in question would stick his Dumbarton rock into the mouth of a dead pig either.
        He would probably use it for Soup! (The pig,not the Dumbarton)

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        Hugh Jazz September 23, 2015 4:16 pm Reply
  • Ah the Tory oinks attack a young women who has more brains than Kirk and JB put together.
    I fully accept that this would not be hard.

    Guys get back to your troughs.

    Oinky oinky lol

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    No Cheese Here September 22, 2015 4:31 pm Reply
  • It is alleged that when Dave was asked if he would consider placing his genitalia in a pigs mouth ever again, he allegedly said yes as long as she dropped any ideas about another independence referendum. Allegedly.

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    Simon September 22, 2015 4:53 pm Reply
    • Nice one Simon – has to become the ForArgyll quote of the year I think. Hope you don’t mind if I put it on facebook and elsewhere. As for NCH – well ! – same old – same old – a perfect example of the intellectual level of the average SNP supporter. Nothing will change them so just ignore.

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      Malcolm Kirk September 22, 2015 6:21 pm Reply
      • Malcolm,you are a silly wee man(Quote of the year contender)

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        Hugh Jazz September 22, 2015 8:52 pm Reply
        • Machmaolain – as our resident silly wee man and soothsayer on future oil prices, any thoughts on the following quote?

          “The Scottish Government is going to keep very quiet about tax revenues from oil over the next few years. Unless you get more exploration, this will damage the case for independence”

          http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/22d8cf50-6129-11e5-a28b-50226830d644.html#axzz3maXKkGp7

          Oops!

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          John M September 23, 2015 8:06 pm Reply
        • I made this video of your ‘ silly wee man’ – Enjoy.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbSlZAzmJCs

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          Malcolm Kirk September 24, 2015 8:01 am Reply
          • Still being silly and immature.Par for your course really.
            Keep taking the tablets,which incidentally,you get for free,from the SNP!

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            Hugh Jazz September 24, 2015 7:11 pm
      • For SIMON AND MALCOLM.
        While Simon’s post is entertaining Malcolm, heh heh, it is interesting to note that the content lacks class. The entertainment value, heh heh, from Malcolm’s response probably indicates that both Simon and Malcolm lack class.
        We are fortunate that the First Minister exudes class at all times.

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        Ali Massud September 25, 2015 4:28 pm Reply
  • Well Malcolm Kirk,
    You must be bored or boring or both.
    While taking a break from shooting windmills Don Quixote style you decide to research and challenge a 4 month old speech by the exciting,
    clever, 1st class honours, young and talented SNP MP Mhairi Black.
    I don’t know Mhairi Black or her friend she mentions in her speech but I do reckon that every other political party as well as most of the media will have tried to undo this speech. It looks like they are unable to do so. Can we assume from that, the speech holds up under intense scrutiny?
    More pressing and in need of comment and scrutiny is the refugee crisis which is about to change Europe as we know it for ever. You gave Agnes a hard time for pressing you on your views. Not a cheep coming out of you now. Too busy shooting windmills maybe or have you changed your views.

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    Ali Massud September 23, 2015 8:29 pm Reply
  • Good piece on the SNP at Westminster in the Spectator.

    The SNP run riot at Westminster

    The SNP’s barmy army are wreaking havoc in SW1

    http://life.spectator.co.uk/2015/09/the-snp-run-riot-at-westminster/

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    Lundavra September 24, 2015 5:07 pm Reply
    • A good piece of fiction.You grasp straws,you will tear your fingers!

      Better luck next time.Up the Unicorn

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      Hugh Jazz September 24, 2015 7:08 pm Reply
    • It will all come to light when the expense claims are published.

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      Richard September 24, 2015 8:33 pm Reply
      • Are you telling PORKies again,Dick?

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        Hugh Jazz September 24, 2015 10:14 pm Reply
        • Ho ho ho! Funny a SNP member like you ‘Hugh Jazz’ talking about telling fibs when Nippy Nicola was caught redhanded telling lies in Parliament.

          In her world, meeting a target once, years ago, apparently means everything is okay and her government are doing well. She had a rather disastrous FMQs today, and looked a right idiot over GM crops. ‘GM crops are not an issue because we’re not doing them!!!’ she proclaimed smugly and to much laughter – however the laughter was at her! She either missed the point deliberately, or accidental, but either way, she looked a complete fool.

          She pointed to other countries apparently doing the same (I suspect they will have evidenced their decision unlike the SNP) but I must remember her tactic on the defensive when it comes to Trident – if Russia, India and China are all upping their nuclear arsenals, that must mean we do the same, eh?! Some logic Nippy has there…

          How long before the population wake up and realise that the SNP are bad for Scotland. As for them all swilling Champers at Westminster….aye…no surprise there. I think some of their MPs will be getting a reality check and suddenly realise that you don’t get paid £72k for nothing…

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          JB September 24, 2015 10:47 pm Reply
        • HJ , I only mentioned expenses because when published we will see what MP’S of all parties have claimed.
          Perhaps you would like to explain where the lies are in that statement.

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          Richard September 25, 2015 9:10 am Reply
          • Richard you said in your post referring to MP’s salaries.
            They are on £100,000 per year
            You even gave a link.
            This is what the link says,

            “The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (IPSA) announced on 16 July 2015 that MPs will be paid an annual salary of £74,000, backdated to 8 May 2015. The change to the salary will take effect from 31 July 2015. The backdated salary payment will be made on 28 August 2015.”
            Don’t accuse others of telling lies.
            When it comes to telling porkies, you are the porkiest.
            Also, when it comes to expenses, your lot, the unionists are much “better together” at the fiddling.

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            keitho September 27, 2015 11:06 pm
        • HJ,maybe we will see a lot more Franks Law political party candidates, it seems people are getting fed up paying for a Parliament who put more importance on macaroni pies than health care!

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          Richard September 25, 2015 9:27 am Reply
  • Independence is “small minded” ??

    Really? To me that attitude is small minded in the extreme.

    We would be restoring political sovereignty to our parliament.
    Right now, we are effectively a region of a much larger UK, and with only 8.3% of the population we have little political influence, and have to accept the decisions of our neighbours, and a focus that is directly targeted on London.

    Independence would be a huge UPGRADE for Scotland, with far greater international visibility, and all the potential that comes with that.
    What seems small minded is restricting ourselves, because we are scared to take risks and reach our true potential as a nation.

    The demand is never going to go away – because it is simply logical and democratic that a nation runs its own affairs.
    The sooner we move forwards the better.

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    DB1 September 24, 2015 6:37 pm Reply
  • The front page headlines in all (5) editions of the Press and Journal this morning – the only Scottish newspaper still expanding it’s readership – says that from their recent survey – 69% say no to another referendum.
    My wee video mocking Salmond seems to be going down well Hughie ! ! !
    PS – Is that the sound you make when you are being sick ?

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    Malcolm Kirk September 25, 2015 8:28 am Reply
    • https://media.info/newspapers/titles/the-press-and-journal/readership-figures

      fully accept this is not Press and Journals figures but who would believe them!! Whats the love in with Aberdeenshire?

      sad- you think having a wee mocking video of the previous First Minister is clever. Sad really
      ps SNP won the General Election despite Alex Slamond got elected as a MP. The people have spoken.
      SNP win next year!! Must grate with the tory/liblies/liebour brit nats!!

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      No Cheese Here September 25, 2015 11:31 am Reply
      • Hate facts getting in the way of your SNP prejudices but the P & J readership is up 11.5% over the last year and the Dundee Courier up 14.4%. ( Take note ForArgyll) The P & J produces 6 versions each day covering all Aberdeenshire and everything in Scotland – West and North – a huge area therefore their survey is fairly full and comprehensive. Survey result – 69% say NO. What did you have in the referendum? A housing scheme in apparently the saddest place to live in Scotland – Dundee and something similar in Glasgow.
        Am amused by the SNP reaction to the fairly wide reporting of the behavior of their MPs at Westminster – so, so predictable – all lies they say ! ! ! Don’t think so ! It’s all beginning to crumble Cheesy !

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        Malcolm Kirk September 25, 2015 12:40 pm Reply
        • And we have a parrot for Justice Secretary. This poor sod can’t even think for himself and deviate in the slightest from the scropt he’s been given.

          Newsroom – what do you know about the spin doctors in the SNP? They put the Blair years to shame – who are they? They’re bloody good, but time to focus on who actually gives them the spin.

          https://audioboom.com/boos/3617620-michael-matheson-gives-the-same-answer-5-times-in-interview-with-connor-gillies-about-police-scotland-and-janet-mckay

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          JB September 25, 2015 6:25 pm Reply
          • And we have a depraved,perverted prime minister

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            Hugh Jazz September 26, 2015 4:48 pm
          • And we have a Ham Faced,perverted prime minister to consider.

            Oh,how I love the Carry on team!!!

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            Hugh Jazz September 26, 2015 4:50 pm
        • Kirk,

          sad video sad lies. You really have to stop taking the tablets. Incidentally Alec is the anglicised form for Alex short for Alexander. Unless of course you think like a posh tory and are born with Alick as your first name. The right wing tory ukippy brigade need to change their record. You read the P&j all you like. North East MP’s are snp, MSP’s are snp, council turned against the previous right wing tory lieboours.

          Things are working out well at the moment. The snp will work hard for a positive vote –the tories liebour and lib who will fight for the scraps. London tories are already fighting for who will be the next tory leader. Any more photo opps straddling a tank?
          As for cheese crumble it on some bread and then toast –lovely. As for your lot pork scratchins are your limit!! oink. Would make you turn vegetarian. Is such initiations normal in your neck of the woods? Rolled up trouser legs, pink bras!! and watching videos of Hilter and Nazi’s. Such is the warped world of the old bitter folk.
          yip the SNP and pro indy parties have nothing to fear.

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          No Cheese Here September 26, 2015 10:16 pm Reply
          • NCH,everything is going so well its hardly worth worrying about the Bank of Scotland having to set aside £500m because Mr Lochead can’t guarantee the farmers will receive their money on time.
            Bank bailing out the SNP!
            All is well,have another bottle of champagne on the idiots that pay your salaries.

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            Richard September 26, 2015 10:55 pm
          • It’s great pressing buttons knowing the drivel that will issue forth. NCH and HJ – keep it going. You are the best advertisement for others to vote for any other political party but the SNP.

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            Malcolm Kirk September 27, 2015 7:59 am
  • Repeating ‘perverted’, HJ, made me wonder about the innuendo behind your choice of alias.
    Getting a wee bit hypocritical, perhaps?

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    Robert Wakeham September 26, 2015 7:25 pm Reply
    • David Hameron will be sweating right now,just like my Pork roast!
      Catalonia tomorrow.this will expose all of his lies!!

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      Hugh Jazz September 26, 2015 9:07 pm Reply
  • A new day dawns and Corbyn is caught “lying like a rug” to the Scottish electorate.
    I’m quite unsure For? Argyll will give an in depth piece on Corbyns Stupidity.
    While you’re at it,give us one on the lone Labour sole,Murray also caught confused today on Politics Scotland!!
    What a shower the Red,Blue and Yellow Tories are!!

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    Hugh Jazz September 27, 2015 1:28 pm Reply
  • For SIMON AND MALCOLM.
    While Simon’s post is obviously entertaining Malcolm, it is interesting to note that the content lacks class. The entertainment value, from Malcolm’s response probably indicates that both Simon and Malcolm lack class.
    We are fortunate that the First Minister exudes class at all times.

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    REIDA September 27, 2015 3:59 pm Reply
    • It’s all in the eye of the beholder hen ! You are obviously smitten but there again you have to be. Not aloud free thinking in the SNP. Form a circle – protect – protect – protect – because if cracks are allowed to open up they will expand and the downward slope, which is surely inevitable, will become public and visible to all. I look forward to 5 / 10 years from now when the factual book on the life and times of the SNP under Salmond and Sturgeon is published.

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      Malcolm Kirk September 27, 2015 6:51 pm Reply
      • So no challenge then Malcolm,
        you agree that Simon and yourself lack class.
        I don’t see much of ‘for argyll” so don’t see very much of Simon.
        Maybe he just thought he was being clever, the benefit of the doubt?
        The times I do see ‘for argyll ‘ it is obvious you lack class.

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        REIDA September 27, 2015 7:35 pm Reply
        • Reida – would you be so kind as to offer your definition of the word ‘class’?

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          John M September 27, 2015 8:39 pm Reply
          • I’ll intervene here, Class,anything that doesn’t involve Britnats! Also can mean a place to teach Students.
            How’s that working for you?

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            Hugh Jazz September 27, 2015 9:54 pm
  • So I and Simon lack ‘class’. Help ma Boab ! ! Obviously your ‘in word’ of the day. Would have been better if you had made a reasonable argument as to why the accusations in my post above were incorrect. Mind you it would have been the first time an SNP supporter had given a reasonable answer / explanation in all the years I have been following ForArgyll

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    Malcolm Kirk September 27, 2015 8:20 pm Reply
    • Malcolm K
      Aren’t you the one who wanted to offer no support to the refugees from war torn areas.
      Real class?

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      REIDA September 27, 2015 8:52 pm Reply
      • Reida , wasn’t it Ms Sturgeon who said she would take a refugee in! What happened? in fact the charities are saying Scotland has taken none over the last year.

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        Richard September 27, 2015 9:28 pm Reply
        • Playing Politics with poor,unfortunate people,Dicky.
          Just about sums your mentality up.

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          Hugh Jazz September 27, 2015 9:51 pm Reply
          • HJ,Ms Sturgeon and the SNP are the people making promises that they have no intention of keeping. Plenty of time between now and the elections to judge them on their actions.

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            Richard September 27, 2015 9:57 pm
      • So you have changed your name. Did I not warn you about making false accusations some time ago.
        I attach a widely used headline from last week – a 100,000 children in England with no permanent home. Of course that won’t apply to Scotland because ‘oor nicola’ will have sorted it, won’t she. She will have been at her desk working hard at that, and all the other problems facing Scotland at the moment, not constantly moaning at others outside the country she represents, just to get headlines. Hells bells – not ‘oor nichola’ surely !
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34346908

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        Malcolm Kirk September 28, 2015 10:46 am Reply
    • I’m sorry if I burst your overinflated ego,Kirky,but you are not Star Fleet Class!!

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      Hugh Jazz September 28, 2015 9:06 pm Reply
  • At 56% of people ready to cast in favour of SNP,you are up a gum tree.
    Corbin just makes our job easier.

    Indie by 2019,would you care to bet against that?
    Put simply,your Britnat lies and subterfuge are spent now!!

    Watch the polls get bigger for Nicola’s team after the new year. You will be voting for them too! We’ll all be doing it tomorrow. LOL

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    Hugh Jazz September 27, 2015 10:06 pm Reply
  • Oh,and I forgot Cataloia!! Watch out for the money men back paddling!!
    If you tell lies,you better have a good memory.
    Don’t forget,people probably will forget the stated lies that all unionist parties spouted forth.
    The trouble for UKOK is that people will never forget how they made them feel!!

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    Hugh Jazz September 27, 2015 10:11 pm Reply
  • It’s getting more and more amusing watching the character ‘Hugh Jazz’ egging himself/herself on! Just like the other character ‘willie’ who’s distinguishing mark was to post once, then again and then a third time in a row.

    I agree with Malcolm – people like ‘Hugh Jazz’, NCH, ‘willie’ and the rest really are the very best advertisment for the United Kingdom. Their type of politics is not really a politics at all. It’s just tittering, snickering, bitching, moaning, finger pointing, name calling – be hell be the day they come up with anything of substance of of their own thinking. I was watching the sheep dog trials on Countryfile last night and was reminded of the SNP supporters I come across. What one does, they all do, no matter what. THat’s a shame because there are some SNP people who genuinely care about their country and have a real knowledge and insight, but they are far outweighed by the sheep, to whom logic and reason are an unknown concept.

    I was talking to a very well known and loved Scottish politician on the train the other day. She was amazed at how the crash in oil prices has done nothing to diminish support for independence. She gave an example that if you were going to buy a house very near a river and your surveyors warned that whilst everything was good, there was a real risk of serious flooding, then the canny person would probably give it a miss. Three years later when the house was completely flooded, you’d be thanking your lucky stars you took the advice. Yet not so the oil prices – the question was asked countless times, and never answered by the SNP – ‘scaremongering’ they cried. And look what happened…

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    JB September 28, 2015 8:35 am Reply
    • An Independent Scotland’s economy was never going to be built around the oil price.
      Oil prices were always going to vary.
      The revenue was always going to be a bonus.
      The variations were always going to be how big the bonus would be.
      Remember Thatcher used the oil money to destroy manufacturing in the UK. What ever happened to “Silicon Glen “?
      Blair and Brown and Darling squandered more money and deprived so many of opportunity their parents had worked hard to provide.
      Illegal wars? Weapons of mass destruction? The Millennium Dome? MP’s expenses fraud? The Channel Tunnel has more debt than some nations and was never going to be viable. Remember the bonus it was to make to the Scottish economy?
      I can supply you with an expanded list if required. Food Banks?….
      Scotland’s voters are seeing the demise of a society they once cherished.
      This was the British dream. For many people this dream has turned into a nightmare. Under Westminster rules and systems this has been a painful process for many.
      While other parts of the UK feel the same pain they will find difficulty
      changing it.
      Scottish voters roughly split 50/50 according to most polls have an opportunity to at least try to change this demise of society with Independence. I feel they are moving closer to making that change.
      JB you and I could have a sensible debate, but on a forum like “for argyll” there is no chance. This is car crash TV stuff promoted by the management. Debate level very low, promoted by the management.
      Why don’t they just use it as a news forum without pushing there opinion down our throats.

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      keitho September 28, 2015 10:18 am Reply

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