Syria: are we back in warmonger-prompted WMD territory?

UK Prime Minister David Cameron wanted to go to war against Syria before – but could not find the political support in the UK for such an excursion.

Now he has revived this ambition, in the wake of the tide of refugees  flowing across Europe.

Suddenly, the 6pm news on BBC tonight, 10th September, was full of stuff on the use of chemical weapons against civilians by the Assad regime – and the access and use of chemical weapons by Daesh.

Hmmmmm.

Coincidence?

Once bitten.

Tony Blair, Alastair Campbell and John Scarlett’s dodgy dossier confection on Saddam Hussein’s fictional ‘Weapons of Mass Destruction’ comes easily to mind.

So does a night in February 2003, ahead of the war in Iraq – to which Blair had already signed up the UK to curry favour with American President,  George Bush.

On that night, then Home Secretary David Blunkett indulged in quite the most risible and high profile piece of manipulative political theatre.

He sent tanks to Heathrow airport on the grounds of undefined immediate threats to national security.

Were they expecting an Antonov packed with Iraqi warriors and their own tanks making an emergency landing at Heathrow and rolling out to play?

Quite what tanks would have been responding to at the airport remains as much of a conundrum as the credibility of the threat to which the protagonists of this stunt swore. They would, wouldn’t they? And they did.

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  • It might equally be said Syrians(and others) have been drowning in the Mediterranean for 4 years; why start getting especially exercised about it now and why is it a good thing for Germany to encourage more refugees and migrants to risk the same drowning, further filling the coffers of criminals?

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    db September 10, 2015 11:47 pm Reply
  • “Syria: are we back in warmonger-prompted WMD territory?”
    We are not the warmongers…there are no hidden agendas, the warmongers are baiting a hook that we must swallow.

    How can you even suggest that Cameron has some form of warped “ambition” some form of narcissistic need or want when it comes to supporting attacks on IS… WMD or otherwise ?

    WMD…? who needs WMD as a reason ?…we have IS..have you not noticed that IS is a weapon of mass destruction ? the 7 million or so displaced people ??? the mass rape of children and women, torture, beheadings…homophobia…all in some warped “name of Allah”…

    If you are saying there is no justification for the eradicate of this IS vermin…and then dealing with (if necessary) Assad later… then you should seriously be thinking about your moral stance and if you should be running this blog at all.

    This is not a game Newsie… please don’t fall into a tone of political point scoring here… simply to gain reaction from the reducing number of posters you have left…

    Why not go back to focusing on Argyll ????

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    Karl Hughes September 11, 2015 8:50 am Reply
  • Such a bloody shame there is no edit function on this site anymore….

    It obvious that whoever wrote this initial post is using gutter press “light blue touch paper, stand well back” tactics… and needs to do some personal soul searching…you cannot expect a rational discussion about an irrational human mutation such as is IS…and their supporters.

    Cameron is building up a case to add to the coalition that is already fully operating over Iraq… maybe building a case to put more troops on the ground ?… he’s having to do this because a few leftwing pseudo humanitarians still seem to think we can deal with IS by waving olive branches, singing peace songs and marching towards these nutters in our home spun hessian body armour… we can’t… these people would have hung, drawn and quartered Ghandi and ensured the video went viral….

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    Karl Hughes September 11, 2015 9:21 am Reply
  • This article gets a plug on Craig Murray this morning from Ba’al Zevul at 0903. I’m sure I saw him post on here before under his old nom de guerre.

    I would encourage everyone to read this post from Craig and all the comments that follow.
    Craig is the man that the SNP barred from being an SNP candidate at the General Election. They have now told him that he is also not to stand as an SNP candidate at the Holyrood election.
    Yes voters must be watching Craig’s brave stance against the Establishment and wondering what’s going on as another of their SNP leaders goes to sup with the devil at The Privy Council.
    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/09/exclusive-i-can-reveal-the-legal-advice-on-drone-strikes-and-how-the-establishment-works/comment-page-2/#comments

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    Murdoch MacKenzie September 11, 2015 9:57 am Reply
    • I’m not sure if you agree with Craig Murrays article or not ? you don’t make your views clear?

      In summing up he states “So the state, with its neo-con “opposition” and media closely in step with its neo-con government, seamlessly adopts a new power to kill its own subjects based on secret intelligence and secret legal advice, and a very weird definition of “imminent” that even its author admits to be outside current legal understanding.”

      These targets gave up their position as ” British subjects” the moment they joined IS…. would you not pull the trigger if Jihad John was in the cross-hairs ? these parasites were legitimate target QED.
      The only “imminent” we need to take into consideration is if they were, active within, a threat, or supporters of IS… I for one support anybody who would like to see this world free from the likes of IS.

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      Karl Hughes September 11, 2015 10:39 am Reply
      • These “targets”, as you call them, were in Syria when they were murdered. I am not aware that the Syrian Government asked the RAF to attack them as enemies of the Syrian state, so they were killed illegally. The UK is now trying to make article 51 of the UN charter fit the action. There were three “targets” killed, was the third one killed in UK self defence as well?
        Your last sentence is self-contradictory at least in my view. The UKUSIS governments have no wish “to see this world free from the likes of IS”. Are you trying to tell me that a battlefield aircraft or helicopter could not wipe out these Hi-lux trucks in one pass? Where do you think their weapons come from?
        The tests have been run in the past two weeks and our people have been proven as duped into accepting “boots on the ground”. They will get their wish very soon, unless Russia gets there first. These oil pipeline routes have a lot to answer for.

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        Murdoch MacKenzie September 11, 2015 1:52 pm Reply
  • “These “targets”, as you call them, were in Syria when they were “murdered”. I am not aware that the Syrian Government asked the RAF to attack them as enemies of the Syrian state, so they were killed illegally. The UK is now trying to make article 51 of the UN charter fit the action. There were three “targets” killed, was the third one killed in UK self defence as well?”

    In case you haven’t noticed…They were targets… what else would you have them call these sociopathic nutters “morris dancers” ??? What Syrian government ? Assad ??? a government govens…what on earth is he governing at the moment except the annihilation of his own people by himself, IS .
    Article 51 ??? jeeze you have lost the plot…UK, Europe, Middle East…who on earth cares, they are a murderous plague… and need eradicating…

    “Your last sentence is self-contradictory at least in my view. The UKUSIS governments have no wish “to see this world free from the likes of IS”. Are you trying to tell me that a battlefield aircraft or helicopter could not wipe out these Hi-lux trucks in one pass? Where do you think their weapons come from?”

    You are in a bit of a muddle aren’t you… Hi-lux trucks ??? wipe them out…??? You have just said that its illegal… and given that the majority of these insurgents shelter up in homes of a captive, or the capitulating terror ridden population do you really want to see more innocents killed in the cross fire ??? Every body and his dog has a bloody hi-lux in the middle east… do you not think that the reason the existing coalition forces operating in the area are not opening fire on every hilux could be to do with again, the issue of killing innocents ??? these are targeted individuals, they are targeted by on the ground intel, they are watched from contact to initiation of the strike…the drones simply reduce the necessity for a group of “friendly” personnel to end up in a high risk fire fight….it reduces our and other coalition forces losses… reduces the risk to local inhabitants.

    In regards to whos providing the weapons, well just in case you haven’t noticed every Iraqi military base was overrun by this swarm of nutters… it’s not like I can’t just pop down to the souq here and not buy an AK47 or RPG for a few bucks…

    “The tests have been run in the past two weeks and our people have been proven as duped into accepting “boots on the ground”. They will get their wish very soon, unless Russia gets there first. These oil pipeline routes have a lot to answer for.”

    There will be boots on the ground but I fail to see what the “test” is you are talking about??? The British military has been in the country with the Kurds and Iraqi’s for nearly 2 years….and whos been duped ???
    What oil pipelines ???? from where to where ???? and why the hell or how the hell would any oil company afford or even bother investing in an oil pipeline given the amount we have at the moment and the existing on land pipelines…it’s not like it’s going to bring the price down LOL…
    Now I have answered your diatribe now…Answer the question… would you let the murder Mohammed Emwazi aka Jihad John out of the cross hairs if you were operating a drone ? I know I wouldn’t.

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    Karl Hughes September 11, 2015 4:37 pm Reply
  • Pin this on ya TV or your bottle Mackenzie…

    “Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security. ”

    “inherent right of individual or collective self-defence” QED

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    Karl Hughes September 11, 2015 4:43 pm Reply
    • The TV and the bottle have long since become redundant in my life. In this age of texting, twitter and so on, it is understandable that the standards of English comprehension has dropped. It allows your government to twist the meanings of any laws that stand in the way of it’s abuse of power.
      Maybe this explains it better,
      Charter 2/4 UN Charter.

      4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
      Flying an armed drone in the skies of Syria, without consultation and permission, is a use of force against the territorial integrity of that country.
      Going back to your other post, I would not be able to identify Jihad John in the very unlikely event of me piloting a drone. Video and computer images are seldom true so I never look at them with any belief. I would probably know Spiderman and Batman better as I remember what they looked like when I used to watch TV.
      I should have said Gas Pipeline routes, that is a major part of the big picture for control of Syria, read these words from William Engdahl ,
      “Today the US-backed wars in Ukraine and in Syria are but two fronts in the same strategic war to cripple Russia and China and to rupture any Eurasian counter-pole to a US-controlled New World Order. In each, control of energy pipelines, this time primarily of natural gas pipelines—from Russia to the EU via Ukraine and from Iran and Syria to the EU via Syria—is the strategic goal. The true aim of the US and Israel backed ISIS is to give the pretext for bombing Assad’s vital grain silos and oil refineries to cripple the economy in preparation for a “Ghaddafi-”style elimination of Russia and China and Iran-ally Bashar al-Assad.

      In a narrow sense, as Washington neo-conservatives see it, who controls Syria could control the Middle East. And from Syria, gateway to Asia, he will hold the key to Russia House, as well as that of China via the Silk Road.”

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      Murdoch MacKenzie September 12, 2015 10:08 am Reply
      • MM, I read this quickly and thought “what’s MM on?”, but then I read it again and saw that you were just quoting William Engdahl.
        Who he? I had to look him up, and in all honesty I would advise you to steer clear of nutters, MM.

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        Robert Wakeham September 12, 2015 6:26 pm Reply
  • LOL…….your killing me ……..LOL

    William Engdahl ??? the guy who sated global warming is a scare tact to reduce the living standards for the majority of the world so the rich can get richer,

    same fella who says the Arab spring is a US conspiracy… LOL….

    he who follows the idea that fossil fuels are not fossil fuels at all and and are of abiogenic origin ie; 16th century alchemists made the stuff…

    I will give you this much Mackenzie, you are good at wind-ups ( or maybe you believe this stuff ???)

    Yawn…I have spent far too much time reading and answering your ranting absurdities.

    Please do not sit next to me on the bus !!!

    Live long and prosper…
    Beam me up Scotty

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    Karl Hughes September 12, 2015 2:05 pm Reply

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