Really Robert, you must try and read things …

Comment posted Sir Ian Wood: Young voters must know Scotland will have little oil and gas output when they are middle aged by Murdoch MacKenzie.

Really Robert, you must try and read things first. I can understand that it upsets you that people have different views from you but please don’t jump in with such invective.
I said that my experience in “smaller and less oil rich countries than ours” told me that Wood Group and the Oil Industry would adjust. Nothing to do with Offshore.
I never said that Sir Iain was talking through his arse.
I have also never said that the sun shines out of Putin’s arse. I have said that Putin is Putin, he’s the leader of Russia, a country that is being attacked for standing against the Neocon Zionist world hegemony, a country that sacrificed much for all of humanity and in my view is doing so still.

Murdoch MacKenzie also commented

  • Willie has his finger on the pulse, he can recognise a naysayer when he sees one and this site is a magnet for these types.

    Sir Iain Wood is not an oilman in the true sense of the word. His company provides services to the oil industry so when they say jump he asks how high.
    He was born with the proverbial silver spoon in his mouth with the family owning a fleet of deep water trawlers and a shipyard in Aberbeen. The arrival of the oil industry came at an opportune time for them as the loss of the Icelandic fishing grounds was biting and a lot of trawlers ended up as the first offshore safety vessels.
    They had a lot of different companies from day one and I remember a guy I knew from Edinburgh telling me that he had been for an interview. They offered him a job with the John Wood Maintenance and he refused because of the low rate offered. As he was leaving they called him back and asked him if he would work for OPM at the Offshore Agreement rate. When I met him on the accommodation barge in the Brent field, both companies had men on there on separate contracts. They were affectionately called the Woodentops.
    They made some very good moves, into niche markets like fire and gas safety, maintenance joint ventures with major machinery manufacturers and as the years passed they took over some well known service companies including Mustang in Houston.
    Wood Group are obviously quite comfortable in the status quo, it’s the people who are not and want to have a say in the future of their country and where their children will live and work that will matter on referendum day.
    Once we vote Yes the oil industry and Wood Group will readily adjust. I know, from experience,that they both do in far smaller and less oil rich countries than ours.

Recent comments by Murdoch MacKenzie

  • Time to stop to think – as the cult sweeps into Campbeltown
    Shock! Horror! Scot’s being taught to speak in Scots, what next. We’ve just got used to all these Gaylic/English road signs and now this.
  • ‘And how much would this have cost an independent Scotland?’
    UK debt Good, Scottish debt Bad.
  • ‘And how much would this have cost an independent Scotland?’
    How much of the oil price goes to the government. The price would need to drop to that level before it became more economic nationally for a producing country like Scotland to consider cheaper imports. What makes economic sense for foreign owned Petro Chemical companies with plants in Scotland is a different issue but domestic oil supply prices could be negotiated for them as well. Scotland could easily refine it’s own fuel oils and cut back on export production until prices firmed up again.
  • ‘And how much would this have cost an independent Scotland?’
    Thank God indeed, many typical Scottish persons of my generation and background are pushing up daisies instead of having the good fortune to continue to work and bolster the uncaring Westminster Exchequer.
    If not being typical means caring about the well being of those less able, or less fortunate in the struggle to live meaningful, working lives then I prefer to not be typical.
  • ‘And how much would this have cost an independent Scotland?’
    Mathematics and budgeting suggest to me that I have been loaded with a share of the national debt of at least £70,000 under Westminster’s governance since we paid off their last debt with our oil money less than fifteen years ago.
    The only way out for those of us who have worked and saved all our lives is to see the value of our wealth de-valued.
    The people who voted to keep us tied into this self destructing system of wasteful borrowing are the biggest problem we face and not the price of oil. Having our own oil and gas means that we are self sufficient in energy no matter what the spot prices are. It’s how we would have used that energy for our own benefit that makes the difference. A springboard for development in an Independent Scotland, or a cushioning buffer in our headfirst, debt creating, present existence at Westminster.

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34 Responses to Really Robert, you must try and read things …

  1. Oh dear, another horror story about our oil being relatively worthless as we approach the referendum

    Dear, oh dear oh dear. This couldn’t be another scare story now…. could it?

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    • I don’t know what ivory tower you live in, or what universe you revolve around but having read your asinine contributions over the last few weeks I have concluded you don’t exist, but are in facta computer virus emebedded by the cybernats on the FA w/site.

      Your bile and consummate ignorance is on a ‘loop’

      So, Sir Ian Wood who built up his OIL and GAS service company, from small beginnings in the 70′s, into one of the very few Scottish commercial enterprises of any international presence is spreading a “horror” story?

      Get into the real world

      Sir Ian Wood reserved his critical invective for the consultants to this report. The same consultants in 2012 produced a report for Scottish G on the earnings potential of offshore renewables.Its conclusions were also shear fantasy

      Alex S and Fergus drooled with excitement and anticipation as they,like Chamberlain returning from Munich, waved the report about.

      At the time in my capacity as chairman of No Tiree Array (www.no-tiree-array.org.uk) I asked Scottish Government,and the consultants,for their detailed analysis.

      No reply was forthcoming.

      Scotland still awaits any earnings from offshore renewables, and now Alex S has conceded that an independent Scotland will be dependent rUK’s subsidy to develop any earnings.

      Sir Ian Wood has got it right

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        • Longshanks – he isn’t contradicting what was said in the report. The group review had to decide on a point of reference to include in the report. The group agreed to reference a report from the DECC. From this report the review group agreed on a lower estimate figure of 12 billion boe and a higher expectation figure of 24 billion (the figure the SNP have chosen as a ‘true’ representative figure).

          Wood has now suggested that in his opinion the notion of 24 billion boe as a realistic figure is too high and there were about 15 billion to 16.5 billion barrels of recoverable oil left. Which is still within the range as that referenced in the review.

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    • Willie has his finger on the pulse, he can recognise a naysayer when he sees one and this site is a magnet for these types.

      Sir Iain Wood is not an oilman in the true sense of the word. His company provides services to the oil industry so when they say jump he asks how high.
      He was born with the proverbial silver spoon in his mouth with the family owning a fleet of deep water trawlers and a shipyard in Aberbeen. The arrival of the oil industry came at an opportune time for them as the loss of the Icelandic fishing grounds was biting and a lot of trawlers ended up as the first offshore safety vessels.
      They had a lot of different companies from day one and I remember a guy I knew from Edinburgh telling me that he had been for an interview. They offered him a job with the John Wood Maintenance and he refused because of the low rate offered. As he was leaving they called him back and asked him if he would work for OPM at the Offshore Agreement rate. When I met him on the accommodation barge in the Brent field, both companies had men on there on separate contracts. They were affectionately called the Woodentops.
      They made some very good moves, into niche markets like fire and gas safety, maintenance joint ventures with major machinery manufacturers and as the years passed they took over some well known service companies including Mustang in Houston.
      Wood Group are obviously quite comfortable in the status quo, it’s the people who are not and want to have a say in the future of their country and where their children will live and work that will matter on referendum day.
      Once we vote Yes the oil industry and Wood Group will readily adjust. I know, from experience,that they both do in far smaller and less oil rich countries than ours.

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      • willie has his finger on the pulse – seriously!!! God help us (other Gods, religious leaders & deities are also available) if we do vote Yes.

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        • And Murdoch MacKenzie’s offshore experience qualifies him to tell us that Sir Ian Wood is talking through his arse – and this from the man who thinks that the sun shines out of Putin’s arse.

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          • Really Robert, you must try and read things first. I can understand that it upsets you that people have different views from you but please don’t jump in with such invective.
            I said that my experience in “smaller and less oil rich countries than ours” told me that Wood Group and the Oil Industry would adjust. Nothing to do with Offshore.
            I never said that Sir Iain was talking through his arse.
            I have also never said that the sun shines out of Putin’s arse. I have said that Putin is Putin, he’s the leader of Russia, a country that is being attacked for standing against the Neocon Zionist world hegemony, a country that sacrificed much for all of humanity and in my view is doing so still.

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          • Whether Wood Group could adjust is not the issue and totally inconsequential. Well done Murdoch for trying to divert attention but you’re not fooling us!

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    • Oh YeS. Willie is not a fanatic but passionate. The usual attack mode. So predictable.

      For the oil that is left based on experience who would not waste the resource. Wastemonster or the Scottish people.

      Nor ways oil fund is how much?

      UK is 0,

      This time the Scots will say it is our turn.

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  2. Ah, another proud scotbut comes out for NO with a wee pressie for the campaign – some authorised, expert gloom.

    This is of course the same Sir Ian Wood who said in his report last year that we could realistically expect to extract nearly all of the estimated 24 billion barrels still remaining underneath the North Sea.

    From the Scotsman 21st August last year:

    “A radical overhaul of the North Sea oil industry can deliver a £200 billion injection to the economy over the next 20 years, a major report has concluded.

    Oil tycoon Sir Ian Wood has led the biggest independent review of the North Sea oil and gas industry in its history, and said yesterday that production could increase by four billion barrels over coming years if major changes to the operation of the oil and gas sector are made.

    Such changes would put the UK in a ‘stronger position’ to extract nearly all of the estimated 24 billion barrels still remaining underneath the North Sea.”

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  3. Sir Ian Wood’s report from February this year can be read in full here.

    It references the 24bn figure at least six times.

    In itself that seems rather conservative, because a footnote on page 5 of the document says that the UK government’s own Department of Energy and Climate Change puts the “high case expectation outcome” at 35bn barrels

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  4. And while we are on the subject, let’s not forget those weasel words North Sea oil and gas reserves, which will, I am sure, at some future date provide a handy wee get-out clause for those proud unionist scotbuts determined to mislead us about the state of our oil reserves.

    Technically the West of Shetland fields are not in the North Sea, so the huge production expected to come from the likes of Clair Ridge and Lancaster can be excluded from ‘North Sea’ figures.

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  5. Of course, none of the above is really to the point.

    Everyone knows oil is a finite resource, and that a plan is needed for the day when it does run out, even if that day is still 40 or 50 years off.

    Other oil-rich countries have dealt with the issue by creating huge oil funds, something the UK government (almost uniquely in the world) chose not to do.

    Thanks to petroleum riches, Norway’s sovereign wealth fund is minting money. Their challenge is how to spend it all.

    But Scotland has been given a second chance. It’s well-placed to cope despite that UK failure, being blessed with enormous renewables resources and decades in which to use oil money to exploit them.

    We can see the problem coming a long way down the road, and we have all the tools needed to address it, but they’re currently in the hands of incompetents who are interested only in bleeding the oceans dry and blowing the proceeds on weapons and wars and more tax cuts for the rich.

    Westminster has wasted the last 40 years of oil money with nothing to show for it, but it doesn’t have to be allowed to waste the next 40 as well.

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    • ‘Wasted’? – I thought it was used to soften the economic blow of the demise of old heavy industries and underground coal mining, but that’s not to say that there shouldn’t also have been investment in a sovereign wealth fund.

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  6. Even the BBC got hold of the new, and quite massive, finds in the Clair field. Or do you really believe David Cameron took time out from his Ww3 crisis to fly out to Shetland to visit a handful of No voters and have a wee peek at some puffins? Plenty of evidence for this if you bother to look.

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    • I don’t know if it’s a question of semantics – whether the Wood comments were specific to the future of the North Sea, or also referred to west of Shetland prospects, like the Clair field.

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    • The question you should really ask before you swallow this charade is – were it true, would DC head up there for a look knowing that any attention drawn could in thoery be used by the YesNP? Come on, he’d stay a mile away and let the nationalists create a fuss about ‘secret’ visits AFTER the No vote!

      The visit was not secret, it wasn’t a big deal, but the local media were there so impossible it was kept secret! In fact, one of the Nat propaganda sites reported it as being secret but told us they were there waiting for the place….doh!

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    • The Claire field was discovered in 1977, new technology has made it viable to recover more oil than originally predicted, but it is not a new Oil Field.

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    • To be accurate, people in the North and Southwest of England want much more control over their destiny.
      What they don’t want is divorce, and the fragmentation and isolation that would ensue.

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    • John, There is nothing new in this, Salmond has not only caused a rift in Scottish society but has alienated people South of the border, from the beginning he has tried to dictate the terms, much as 5.5 million Scots dislike being told what to do the 55 million+ in rUK don’t like it either.
      Salmond’s bullshit about Scotland being r UK’s best friend doesn’t wash, any negotiations will be hard ball, Wales has already shown it’s hand, now the rest will.
      whoever is in Government next the rUK electorate will give them a hard time.

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  7. John.

    I wouldn’t call 5,000-15,000 page downloads a day a minority following.

    Perhaps For Argyll should publish last months viewing figures.

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      • Surely NEWSIE is trying to appeal to the bitter no surrender brigade like septic, Ricardo , Jamie black, Robert Wakeman, Karl ? Whatever happened to the saviour of Iraq?

        Back to local things I think they must Cllrs Walsh, McIntyre McCuish and Morton.
        Is nothing happening in Argyll

        Where’s all the NO meetings– are you hiding.

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  8. Heard Sir Ian Woods on radio this morning and he came accross very fair. Cleared up the way his figures had been manipulated.

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  9. Were doomed I tell you, dooooomeeddd!!
    Oh the despair of our country marching towards a yes vote.
    Keep us all safe from the darkness forargyll, we shelter in your light

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  10. A senior Scottish Government adviser has now stated that in his opinion Sir Ian Wood’s estimate was accurate, he also went on to clarify

    “With current uncertainty, ageing assets, spiralling costs and the challenges of improving production efficiency and attracting investment, we will be hard-pushed to achieve the mid-range scenario of around 15-16bn let alone the holy grail of 24bn barrels.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28894505

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  11. Nch… ‘Willie is passionate’, don’t be giving your relationship secrets away. Attack mode? That’s the now recognised m.o of yourself and your associates. Comes with the territory though, if u can’t play the ball you have nothing left other than to play the man. It’s sad as a positive vision underpinned by some hard policies which were based on fact and not half truths or misrepresention and a few more of us floating voters might have bought into the vision. A major failing and missed opportunity which having folllowed you and your associates posts on here have contributed to. Better luck next time.

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