SNP Group Leader wanted to take them straight into opposition

It transpires that Derek Mackay, Minister for Local Government in the SNP Scottish Government advised that the SNP group of councillors – elected to lead in the political management of Argyll and Bute Council – should voluntarily go directly into opposition, rather than the coalition they eventually chose to enter as junior partners.

This was one of several options discussed at today’s meeting of the group, in the presence of two party minders.

Group Leader, Sandy Taylor, wished this to be the option selected and personally backed it.

Don’t laugh – but the ‘reasoning’ was that being in opposition would give them the chance to ‘regroup’.

‘Regrouping’ will certainly be forced upon SNP candidates at the next local authority elections after the prolonged political suicide of the past 15 months.

Many of Councilor Taylor’s colleagues in the group rejected opposition for the comfort of paid senior jobs as junior partners in a coalition – itself a bizarre political move, detailed below . In truth, it makes no difference, except to some of their individual pockets for as long as this coalition lasts.

The immediate hurdle the incoming political management leadership will face is that Councillor Duncan Macintyre has demanded the Transport Brief and Chair of the Area Committee for Oban, Lorn and the Isles.

This has been agreed by his own group and by the SNP ‘negotiators’, inappropriately led by the Provost of Argyll and Bute, Councillor Isobel Strong. She is said to have had the sole objective of retaining the Provost’s position for herself. [Audit Scotland must surely take note of this failure to deliver the objective responsibilities of Provost.]

However, Councillor Macintyre will not find popular support in either role.

The Oban business community is openly aghast at the possibility of his return to power in the town as Area Chair. Under his aegis the town saw the collapse, in evidenced machinations, of the town’s CHORD project. It also saw unrest over the management of the Oban Common Good Fund, with the respected late SNP Councillor, Donald Macdonald openly disturbed by this matter.

Councillor Macintyre’s management of the Transport brief was singularly lax. Who has forgotten the state of Argyll’s roads – like, for example, the vital A83 south of Kennacraig; the A819 from Inveraray to Lochawe; and pretty well all of Mull? Who has forgotten that, after this inexcusable neglect, money was thrown at our roads – in the run up to the 2012 council elections? And who can forget the mess made of Oban Airport?

Representations from Oban are known to have been putting pressure on the trusted Councillor – and Council Leader for three more days – Roddy McCuish, not to ‘abandon’ them to Councillor Macintyre.

This puts Councilor McCuish in a difficult position where his personal integrity may come under challenge if he lets the new coalition go ahead without his overt objection.

His support is crucial to the incoming coalition because of the high degree of personal trust placed in him by voters across Argyll. In this culture of deals, he is therefore likely to be offered all sorts of inducements  in exchange for his support – and may be tempted to try to find one that would assuage the anxieties of his own town in respect of Councillor Macintyre who was only just elected last time.

In our view, the Oban business community must openly act in its own interests – if it feels strongly enough – rather than put pressure behind the scenes on a councillor who has already been on the frontline in internecine warfare from his own party for 15 months – as he defended probity and honest government.

At today’s meeting, Councilor James Robb and Councillor Mary Jean Devon are known to have voted against the coalition, both instead voting for ‘No change’. This was an option to see the SNP continue as a minority leadership, surviving on an issue by issue basis, which, as their own party demonstrated at national level in  in 2007, is quite feasible. Councillor McCuish is said not to have supported this option because it would have meant him carrying on as Leader and he has really had enough of trying to herd cats.

Councillor Louise Glen-Lee abstained.

Looking back in anger

In passing – and no one should forget that what is passing is the hope for better that drove legions of now betrayed voters to give the SNP the largest number of councillors in May 2012 – let’s look at where we are and what has brought us here.

The SNP has thrown the voters’ trust back in their faces – hard.

The greatest damage from this is that their full flight from the responsibility of power leaves many Argyll folk ready to abandon that hope for better – and accept that the best available to them in local political management  is disciplined incapability.

Who outside its members cares if a political party destroys itself? How many more care that an entire area, Argyll, unbelievably beautiful and almost overwhelmingly challenged, is left exhausted, despairing, cynical and hope-less?

We can think of no precedent for what has happened in local politics in Argyll since May 2012.

We have seen a political party group, the SNP, campaign hard for election and power [to bring change] and majoring in their campaign on the multiple failures of the outgoing Alliance of Independent Councillors.

We have seen that same SNP party group, under external party pressure, destroy itself from within, lose members and see divisions and disloyalty amongst the rest – bringing down, all by itself,  three council leaderships of its own.

We are now seeing that same party group voting to put back into power – and support – the very same group of councillors [with some added window dressing from the damaged Argyll First Group and a few stray independents] who they had campaigned to replace.

They had accused that group, with some reason, of culpable mismanagemnt and of breeding a diseased culture of fear – but now they intend to support it back into power.

Local MSP Michael Russell, in pressuring some sceptical SNP councillors to support the return of the undead, is said to have assured them that ‘they’ve changed’. Make what you can of that.

The long political cost

This mess has come about because of external intervention with elected councillors to protect a vote in the interests of a party about to ask the Scottish people for the ultimate power of all – to lead the country into independence and away from a 300 year union.

Realistically, with the Argyll proof of a yellow streak a mile wide down their backs, who would trust the SNP?

Supposing they got a Yes vote and found the actual job a difficult one involving unpopular decisions, many of which they have sworn not to take – all of which is inevitable: why would they not – job done – bolt again and leave it to Labour to make what sense it could of an irrevocably independent Scotland and take the flak as it fell apart in their hands?

The SNP cannot say that they would never do this when we have all seen what they have persisted in doing in Argyll – even when a knowing public was forewarned and was watching them work through their script in full view.

The cost of this mad gig has a long way to run. It is not impossible that the vote for independence has been squandered in Argyll and Bute.

Someday, somewhere, there will be an inquest into this and somehow, someone will be found to have been the source of what others incredibly supported as a smart wheeze.

The honour roll

This is the time to pay tribute to those who tried to do the best job they could for Argyll and Bute as a whole, to take their elected responsibilities seriously – and to stand against the SNP’s politically unhinged will to compel their local councillors to bolt from power.

Councillor Roddy McCuish: first and last leader of the SNP Group in its ‘political management’ of the council. Roddy McCuish has done all he possibly can – and arguably much more than he should – to prop up his party in the hope that some of his colleagues would find reason and a straight spine in time. Many repaid him by voting against him. He did what he did in the interests of Argyll and Bute and out of shame at his party’s betrayal of its voters. He also kept faith with those who offered support in the interests of stability of government for Argyll – and for no negotiated personal reward. These were the councillors from the Liberal Democrat, Conservative and Argyll and Bute Independent Councillors groups – and independent Councillor Elaine Robertson – who together form the Argyll, Lomond and the Isles group.

Councilor James Robb: whose leadership was sandwiched between Councillor McCuish’s leaderships and who has paid the greatest personal price for insisting on reason as the guiding principle for decision taking. Councillor Robb’s principled approach was a jump too far for a culture of political horsetrading based on giving local fiefdoms their head. Many people have cause to examine their consciences in the public vilification Councillor Robb suffered – to which they actively contributed or supported by their silence. This was a political low point for the already bottom-feeding politics of Argyll and Bute.

Councillor Mary Jean Devon: the Mull councillor who has been in and out of the SNP before but who is renowned for putting the needs of her constituents above all things and carrying a ferocious workload. Councillor Devon has lived through this period of chaotic internal politics, in her second experience as an SNP councillor. She has taken the stress of it – watching colleagues behave like jumping beans, leaping in and out of positions according to the dictates of others – and all the while dealing with the debilitating Multiple Sclerosis with which she is afflicted. She has steadily supported Council Leaders McCuish and Robb in their efforts to withstand their party’s manipulations.

Councillor Louise Glen-Lee: a first time councillor, thrown into the blaze of a party group in full self-destruct mode, who found her feet and her way in turbulent times and who persisted in refusing the pressure to run away from power. She too supported both of her party’s Council Leaders, McCuish and Robb.

Councillor George Freeman and Councillor Elaine Robertson: Councillor Freeman leads the two-man group, Argyll and Bute Independent Councillors and Councillor Robertson is a stand-alone independent. These two experienced councillors steadfastly supported the leaders of the SNP group with whom they were in coalition, through three leaderships and more attempted coups and upheavals than the most inflamed imagination could credit. Their quiet competence in doing their jobs and in offering consistent and principled support has been exemplary.

The Liberal Democrat and Conservative groups: whose obvious competence shone by comparison with the group about to lead in power. This was most evident in the full council meeting in June which eventually voted to set up the now undermined Short Life [ironic?] Working Group on Political Management Arrangements. These councillors suffer from the supposed toxicity of their parties. Their conduct during this period has made such a dismissal unevidenced in terms of Argyll and Bute.

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40 Responses to SNP Group Leader wanted to take them straight into opposition

  1. What an outpouring of vitriol.

    You have so much hatred toward the SNP it is destroying any credibility this site once had. Frankly, we’d get more sincere news coverage by buying the Sun.

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    • Or from the accommodating Herald?
      Try ‘contempt’ in place of ‘hatred’ if it makes you feel any better – and it is accurate.
      You have to remember that we supported the SNP until it taught us better.
      What has been going on in Argyll and Bute will go in to the political case studies – to the top of the list – as an unparallelled act of deliberate self destruction, inexplicable for its total lack of political judgment.
      We have seen the SNP WORK to lose the power electors gave it. No opposition lifted a finger. They just drew up their deck chairs, reached for the pina coladas and watched the show with jaws ajar.
      And so many of us voted for them.

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      • “It is not impossible that the vote for independence has been squandered in Argyll and Bute.”

        HaHa: your hubris knows no bounds. As to this being a unique situation, have you cared to take a look at what goes on in, say North Lanarkshire or Glasgow?

        I have to agree that this has been a sorry tale but to try and leap from this to a polemic against Scottish independence is just silly. No-one outside Argyll gives a stuff about this.

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      • Had the electorate given the SNP a majority then you may have had a point. That, of course, is not what happened. The electorate wanted a coalition and that’s exactly what they got.

        You, on the other hand, clearly have a third or fourth hand source. Either that or whoever talks to you is only giving one side of the story.

        You report on meetings you were not at as if you were.

        You report gossip as fact.

        And, frankly, that is an embarrassment to journalism and to Argyll.

        There’s going to be some shift in power. That much is clear. Obviously when that happens there are going to be political ramifications. I am at a complete loss to understand why you think such ramifications should be without discussion or debate amongst those affected.

        More than that, I find it hard to conceptualize why you believe, ardently it seems, that anyone whose views deviate one iota from your own is wrong, treacherous or both.

        When a so called news site becomes so blind-sided from what what is happening by its author’s personal agenda it transforms itself into nothing more than a blog. What is more insidious is your continued pretense that this amounts to journalism.

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  2. The response by Russell and the other Russell/SNP trolls to follow shows the rot in the core of Argyll SNP. They believe their own publicity and their own infallibility.

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  3. NEWSIE an OBN for you now.
    Out of the roll of honour who was sending you the private correspondence?
    Do not assume that Argyll and Bute is typical of other local authorities. Well we know that already. Plenty of snp councils work well, even the Scottish Government has done well so it is and has been down to the individuals who have made a mess of the past year and which I would hope will now turn around and keep the senior council officials at bay. One warning certain councillors should be kept well away from any enquiry dealing with Toward. Of course this is the previous administrations scandal to be.

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    • And how do you account for the fact that what is obviously your party group is now promoting and supporting that very administration back into power?

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  4. H20 – You say that the SG has done well, would you like to elaborate as it is not my understanding of its performance.

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    • Continuing public support mid-term is usually considered to be an indication that a government is doing well.

      What indicators are you using, Jim?

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    • Open your eyes and ears

      University fees banned so helps the poorer families and those with more than 1 child who have the capability to achieve a University education
      Prescriptions charges removed. For many who have recurring need for medication this has helped those in need
      Having been left with a dogs breakfast in transport the slow but improving work in dealing with the “Rest and be Thankful”. After 40 years the final part of the M74 is joined up with the M8 to improve communications between Argyll/Inverclyde and Lanarkshire.
      Move away from carbon based pollutants to new energy resources.
      Ferry Campbelltown to Ardrossan is welcomed
      Despite the increasing pressures on our NHS compared to the privatisation in England there has been improvements in healthcare including the major reduction of I health acquired infections – even Jackie Baillie must be happy at that — or maybe not.

      Much more to do but only if you have the means to control your resources.

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      • University Fees – Has benefitted well off people as low income students could always get grants so they are no better off. Free of fees for EU students but not English ones. Clearly unfair on those from south of the border.

        Prescription charges abolished – Same as Uni fees only benefits the well off.

        M74 link – overdue and welcome but only a crumb to the west as most of infrastructure projects in the east.

        Windfarms and they are everywhere. I used to be an ardent supporter but now I am less sure.

        Campbeltown – Ardrossan ferry. Probably a colossal waste of money but it showed up the SNP lie about there being no suitable ferry for Dunoon.

        Healthcare improvements. Welcome but they appear to be in hospitals. The weak links in healthcare are GP Practices where the appointment system only serves to feather bed GPs and sick people have to fall back on the call centre.

        You talk about controlling resources (Income Tax you could change) and yet the SNP propose a tax on poly bags with the money raised to go to charity.

        You talk about controlling resources and yet the SNP proposes to set a minimum price for alcohol with the money that could be raised going instead to the retailers. RESERVED I hear you shout and quite true but the most beneficial way to acheive this would have been through your MPs as there was/is considerable support in England but that I suppose is out of the question.

        What does an SNP MP actually do?

        I could go on but I might turn it into a newsie length article.

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        • Rubbish I am not well off nor my friends but have students at university. They could not attend but for this support.

          To introduce means testing only adds to the admin costs. Can’t see the Duke of Edinburgh cashing in his pass pas or hil Rolls Royce. But aside the royals why shouldn’t someone who has worked hard all their life have some benefits?

          Oh forgot council tax freeze —- who wants to pay more ?

          The alcohol price – we have major issues with supermarkets etc discounting. Ask the publicans who at least provide social drinking along with food. Westminster controls where the money goes that is saved but personally if it reduces assaults and civil disorder then in the short term I can put up with that. No Westminster we can ensure the monies can go to the AA etc

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  5. Totally embarrassing.
    The Scottish Government Cabinet is in Campbeltown today and tomorrow. Welcome to Argyll! Any comment on the local SNP Council Group First Minister?

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    • That would be an interesting one – and to the point.
      Derek Mackay has some direct questions to answer.
      We are so appalled at the mess made here in Argyll that we’re not going anywhere near them.
      There are no grounds whatsoever for helping in what is no more than a PR exercise for the driver of the car crash that has been made of Argyll and Bute Council.

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  6. I’m just back from a visit up North (Wester Ross) and found that the main topic of debate regarding independence was about the poor performance of the SNP and anti-independence. This was from businessmen, businesswomen and locals in pubs etc.

    However, I also happen to have some friends who live in Glasgow and who are usually very sensible folk but they seem to be under the impression that a yes vote is simply letting Scotland have a go at independence and if it goes wrong rUK will have us back. I wonder how many others may be thinking the same.

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    • Lowry — Glasgow !? Now there is a well run unbiased local authority. Nepotism rules, links with the criminal fraternity

      As for rural areas just like Argyll full of business men and women who believe they should rule the proletariat! And have wee deals going — even better if your a cooncillor sitting on the planning and licensing committees!
      Interesting that the people you meet didn’t talk about Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq collapse of the banks and financial system. Are they happy the Uk banks were nationalised? Investment as far as Birmingham for a high speed train? Ok with that? Clegg and Cameron doing well with the NHS, reduction in conventional defence forces, poorer education attainment in schools?

      Obviously Lowry you circulate with the wrong people.

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    • This is quite worrying because it suggests that voters in Glasgow and possibly elsewhere may be getting private assurances that independence is a revolving door.
      It absolutely is not and could not be.
      The enormous setting up costs for an independent Scotland alone mean that if we’re out, we’re out.
      We would have incurred a very substantial level of debt to pay for the vast set up challenge – the UK could not contemplate taking Scotland back, carrying a new debt burden on its back to add to the UK national debt.
      We’d be left to swing. There would be no alternative.
      And how would we even attempt to get back?
      That would have to mean two more referenda, one here and one in the UK. In the circumstances of failure and debt, why would the UK vote to have us back?
      This is why the Scottish Government’s White Paper is crucial. No sensible person should vote a country into this sort of single-ticket challenge and uncertainty on a wing and a prayer.
      One can only vote Yes on the basis of a specific proposition that has detail robust enough to satisfy the most knowledgeable scrutiny and silence the fiercest critics.
      We have been promised that this is what the White Paper will be – and it has never been more necessary.

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  7. NEWSIE – do you believe Lowry ? How sad. What is his source? Someone in a pub ! lol.

    Incidentally if Scotland gains independence there is no UK. The UK of Gt Britain and Ni was formed by 2 parliaments. One takes the step to control its own affairs then you will administratively have Scotland and England and the rest . Maybe NI would see closer links with their RoI colleagues as a way forward.

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  8. The vindictive rants by SNP supporters like H2O and Short and Sweet do more to help Better Together than anything Duncan MacIntyre can dream up.

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    • rants ?! I will leave that sort of thing from you j cloth. Your mind has already been made up years ago.
      The fact is that you would prefer to be governed by Clegg and Cameron and if that is your wish so be it. But as a BT supporter tell me the benefits of sticking with your lot
      How many armed conflicts?
      How many cuts ?
      No NHS?
      Education but for the wealthy only?
      Out of the EU?
      Means testing and more tax breaks for the big companies and wealthy –in it all together –aye right
      More nuclear weapons?
      More Dames and Lords in the unelected chamber?
      tell me what your future looks LIKE for this new UK because your past has been a disaster
      Go on please tell.

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      • My thoughts on this debate are echoed in an earlier thread regarding…a Cameron/ Salmond debate on the matter;
        If Indy goes through…simply due to the kudos, the SNP will win another election…a nationalist government is inherently divisive, it highlights perceived differences between people, emphasizing an individual’s identification with a nation. The ethos is oppressive, it buries individual identity within a national whole, ultimately this hands on a plate political leaders with the potential opportunities to manipulate or control the masses…in a dictatorial manner…much as Salmond does now…come the time come the man…Einstein said “Nationalism is an infantile disease…It is the measles of mankind.”….As a British citizen I concur with his history based logic…in regards to political change…be that local or national I am afraid for now at least…its in the hands of a discredited ” professionals” ( and Iuse the term lightly)….. Bankers and politicians…! the corrupt and the corruptable…

        Better together.

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        • Karl: It is a national government not a nationalist one (there is a clue in the name). The membership of the SNP is about 10% English and with plenty of other ethnic minorities in there as well. The remarkable thing about the movement for Scotland’s independence is that it is so inclusive and committed to democracy. You seem to wish it was otherwise.

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          • So now we have the English quoted by you as an Ethnic minority….There is a clue in the name…LOL….there is a clue in your comment sir…..QED
            “The central political tenet of ethnic nationalism is that ethnic groups can be identified unambiguously, and that each such group is entitled to self-determination.” lead on if you wish to go down this path…but I know exactly where you will end up. ;) I was refering to nationalism…not national- socialism !

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        • Without Einstein no nuclear bomb.

          So what are you Karl an internationalist, british nationalist oh sorry subject.

          If there has been any subjugation of people’s over the past 300 years look at the Empire. Personally I would quote Ghandi rather than Einstein when it comes to philosophy. I would hope you would find better.

          The_greatest_gift_you_can_give_your_children_are_the_roots_of_responsibility_and_the_wings_of_independence

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          • • I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
            Without Einstein most likely a nuclear weapon in the hands of the national- socialists….physics was not invented by Einstein…it was explained by him !

            As written on Jura “Nationalism is not to be confused with patriotism. Both words are normally used in so vague a way that any definition is liable to be challenged, but one must draw a distinction between them, since two different and even opposing ideas are involved. By ‘patriotism’ I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force on other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally.
            Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality.”

            and on Gandhi : you might want to look into the partitioning of Pakistan…and its legacy in Afghan/ Pakistan & Indian relations…throw in Kasmir and Sikkim while you read it over. And if you have worked or visited any of these countries you might want to reflect on the disparity between the have’s and have’nots….your quote refers to individual freedom…something that is not perfect but certainly not lacking in current British society…but something that continues to plague Indian society via the caste system.

            PS….I am English by Birth …. parents are both welsh … I have a Scots wife and two young gaelic speaking sons and an older welsh speaking son….I speak french and arabic….I would say I British….and that is why I hold a British passport….you could also throw into the pot that I see myself as a white european….with no particular ties to one single country….no allegiance to a political party, religious faith or particular football team…neither westminster or holyrood have done anything (recently) that makes me ultimately not feel happy to be british…mind you I do base that on working in Iraq LOL

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  9. Why the talk of rejoining the UK after independence?
    History suggests there will be NO desire to be ruled from Westminster again, once we have a taste of running our own affairs.

    Sure we could mess it up at times, but we would do what other normal country does- vote in a new party at the next election, not go begging back to London.

    In any case, the plans involve retaining very close links and cooperation – and sacrificing monetary policy by keeping the pound for ease of trade.
    It will be sensible to retain close military links also.
    Both these things are in the interests of the rest of Britain also, despite any scaremongering from ‘Project Fear’

    So we can have the best of both worlds with the type of independence on offer.
    Close links with the rest of Britain, and a Scottish parliament that raises its own money, with far more powers and responsibility.

    Personally, I think we have enough smart and hard working people here to make it a success story.

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    • Yes we have enough smart hard working people…but unfortunately they are not the politicians based within the SNP… and they will, if the YES vote is carried, rebound back into the driving seat….and deliver us to a location we had not expected, or indeed had any choice over. The SNP blew Scotlands best option…devo-max…ask yourself why ?

      Better together !

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      • Why do you think unionist parties were determined to leave Devo-Max off the ballot paper?

        Because they have no intention of ever delivering it.

        The only chance we have of getting more significant powers is to TAKE them, by voting YES.

        Not by begging Westminster for them.. in the hope that they will choose to give Scotland an competitive advantage over English regions.

        Scotland is only another region to Westminster, counting for 8% of the vote.

        Anyone who believes Scotland will get major economic powers is a total dreamer.. They will try to fob us of with ‘Devo-Plus’ and some insignificant new powers such as controls over air rifles… while power and wealth continues to flow to London and the South East..

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      • Ask the lib dems why after 100 + years they suddenly stopped using the term federalism.

        They could have worked with the snp but chose to work with the centralist parties in London. At all stages they could have said that they wanted a 2 question referendum. They chose not too as did labour. As for the Tories they are in a time warp. They would if they could return to Westminster dictat with the governer general SOSS telling Scotland what they need ie what England SE wants.
        If Scotland votes NO retribution will be swift.

        Yfs

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  10. @ Karl: Edinburgh Agreement not including devo-max option in referendum (devo-max wasn’t an SNP idea, someone in Labour if I remember right) was really to suit unionist side in order to get more people voting no

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    • Comments aside and a general question for all…
      When will the ” YES” campaign release the fundemental document on which to base an approved nation….constitution…yes their is a draft, which includes the queen as head of state etc.
      I am suprised this document is not at the forefront of a campaign for indy ????

      http://constitutionalcommission.org/blog/?p=30

      check the link…given that this is the fundemental document for establishment of an independant country…I am alarmed…amused and baffled that there are but 3 comments…the last in 2011… which raises the question…is the YES campaign simply based around financial gain/ control…

      This further supports the fact that the SNP are not fit to take Scotland forward to indy…they are too tied up and blinkered in their quest for political power to focus on the fundementals….“If [Scotland] managed to get a good constitution to develop, it could really be an example and a real beacon of a good, clean, functioning government, that could be a model for the world.”..

      A year or thereabouts to go and we don’t have a constitution….laughable !

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  11. Independent or not I wouldn’t want a written constitution. I welcome the fact that the UK is one of only two or three countries not to have a written constitution.

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