Ferryman- I bet Alex Neil has told Archie …

Comment posted Gourock-Dunoon ferry: the authoritative position by DunoonLad.

Ferryman- I bet Alex Neil has told Archie Robertson to use the Coruisk for the winter. Not before time, lets hope they get it in place before the Cowal Games.
Maybe this is a ridiculous comment, but if you remember a streaker was used last year, but for passengers only!

DunoonLad also commented

  • From the Dunoon Observer – ARGYLL Ferries confirmed this week that troubled passenger ferry Clyde Clipper will be leased to supplement AliCat and Argyll Flyer on the Dunoon-Gourock route’s busiest day of the year – Cowal Games Saturday.
    However, the news has been met with dismay by ferry campaigners.

    Not a rosy decision!

Recent comments by DunoonLad

  • CalMac awards state-of-the-art ticketing and online booking contract to Worldline
    Although Western should possibly look at alternative methods for purchasing tickets when all their shop outlets are closed. There is no means of purchasing a “discounted” ticket if you had to catch an 11 pm or midnight ferry, or an early morning ferry. Travellers are getting used to purchasing tickets via their mobiles, or what about ticket machines at their terminals?
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    And of course suitable ferries for Dunoon, Gourock, Kilgreggan, Helensburgh etc. including suitable all tide pontoons etc, at all the locations.
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    And Newsroom, you forgot to mention the very welcome support Western Ferries give to the local community, in way of sponsorship, and free travel to local clubs and individuals, year on year. Some will no doubt say that the travelling public actually pay for this, in way of their fares, but Western don’t have to do this, and could instead give these payments to their shareholders, and a lot of clubs I’m sure would suffer without this extra help. Some people should really think what they wish for, and the overall consequences of their actions. The very real reality, is if another operator had a monopoly on this route, they may not be at all community focused, and grab every last penny of their profit, keep it to themselves, and only run at most, a two ship service reducing to one during annual services, and breakdowns. Yes, Western are busy, but nothing like the Isle of Wight services with 100′s of passengers, and vehicles sometimes having to wait hours to cross.
  • Where now for Dunoon’s town centre ferry service?
    @George – there are numerous reasons why Western only run to their own terminals. As they own their own terminals, they don’t have to pay any landing fees to other parties. The route they run is half the distance of the town centre to town centre route. Hunter’s Quay is the most sheltered terminal on the Cowal side, and McInroys Point can be more sheltered than Gourock, but not always. As they can run every 15 minutes at peak times, I’m sure they would require constant access at any terminal they would consider using. Not sure if either of the town centre linkspans are totally suitable for their boats either.
  • Where now for Dunoon’s town centre ferry service?
    Why, oh why, are there 11 dislikes, on Robert’s most sensible suggestion, which has already been suggested in various reports over the years. Saying that, an almost all weather reliable passenger service should be set up first, and any spare capacity used to provide other services over the years, with all tide pontoons installed at Kilgreggan, and other places thereafter.

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28 Responses to Ferryman- I bet Alex Neil has told Archie …

  1. More waffle from Newsroom (aka soapbox).

    The MCA are obviously toughening up on operators using small boats ill suited for the provision of regular ferry services.
    This can be seen at Kilcreggan as well as by the fact that they are now going to be monitoring AFL regularly. The fact that the MCA is going to be looking for strict compliance with certification indicates they take quite a different view to Newroom over the importance of the regulation.

    Once more Newsroom repeats the incorrect statement about there being a “lack of current paperwork” for the AliCat. The paperwork is all in place, the MCA made it clear the boat-Masters were operating in ignorance of the restrictions imposed upon vessel. Also Newsroom (aka soapbox) is confusing passenger certification and classification of waters.

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  2. It makes me wonder, how the other local blog could run such a false and misleading piece.

    For those running about Dunoon, convinced by the Cowal Courier piece, are they guilty of naivety or is it gullibility? To be fair it is more likely that the politicians are just exploiting their desperation. I have been in Cowal long enough not to get my hopes up, as it is spin, spin and lies.

    I would have more respect for the politicians if they could be straight and honest, however I realise that this is an oxymoron. The feasibility study is just a further smoke screen for delay, and others should not get their hopes up. If the Deloitte and Touche report was correct why 14 years later has this not been sorted? Since then there have been legal changes, the EC report, the over-capacity and the current financial pressure, really what is another feasibility study going to show.

    If the SNP could have made good on their promises, then they would have, simple. The legal and financial barriers are too great, simple. Come on Mike Russell be honest with us.

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    • Why do you conclude the other article is false?

      The other site is run by a journalist who has worked for several papers and won awards. On the other hand ForArgyll makes it clear that it voices its own biased opinion, not news, and it does not seem to have any status as a news and information service.

      There always seems to be a bit of hysteria from Newsroom (aka soapbox) if the pro vehicle ferry campaign makes headway, Newsroom would not be getting sponsorship from somewhere would it?

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      • “On the other hand ForArgyll makes it clear that it voices its own biased opinion” what’s wrong with honesty, If they said they do not have a biased opinion would they be dishonest. What’s wrong in acknowledging your “faults”.

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        • Agreed, For Argyll has the ability to voice its own opinion. As has everyone else.

          Ferryman has a different opinion, that is what makes a debate. However you should play the ball not the player, i.e. deal with the issues and stop making personal attacks on the person.

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          • There are two websites giving different opinions I asked why you chose one over the other.

            The Cowal Courier, though I don’t like all that they publish, seems more credible to me.

            One reason for this is that Newsroom seems quite happy to misrepresent facts. In a previous thread Newsroom clearly said that the AliCat did not not have an Exemption Certificate (it did because I have seen one with my own eyes). Newsroom then went on to try and claim it had not said there was no certificate – despite what was written in the article.

            In this article Newsroom is refering to “a lack of current paperwork”. What paperwork is this, or does Newstrrom just not know what it is talking about?

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      • Newsroom (aka soapbox) campaigned for a passenger only ferry service. We got one but the bathtubs are just not up to the job. Does Newsroom say sorry, I was wrong, nope. Instead it carries on almost seeming to argue that we don’t need a passenger only service, too much capacity etc. Any progress made by people arguing for larger vehicle ferries is met by slightly hysterical and inaccurate articles.

        When a third bathtub is put on for Cowal Games newsroom unbelievably welcomes this!

        When I posted the comment above I expected newsroom to respond with howls of protest abouts its editorial independence and journalistic integrity. Instead there was silence – perhaps newsroom did not read the comment?

        So newsroom do you have sponsors, do you get grants from the Council? If you do have sponsors who are they?

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  3. I think Alex Niel did tell Archie Robertson to use a vehicle ferry on the route.

    He had just seen the Flyer off for several days in June and the MCA slapping an enforcement notice on AFL which is going to be strictly monitored. Winter is fast approaching (sorry) and with it the prospects of days on end of disrupted service.

    If he gives CalMac money for another bathtub boat he faces being sucked down the plughole of a PR disaster when it too fails to sail. The solution sits at Roseneath each winter, the Coruisk.

    I bet Alex Neil has told Archie Robertson to use the Coruisk for the winter. Not before time, lets hope they get it in place before the Cowal Games.

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  4. Ferryman- I bet Alex Neil has told Archie Robertson to use the Coruisk for the winter. Not before time, lets hope they get it in place before the Cowal Games.
    Maybe this is a ridiculous comment, but if you remember a streaker was used last year, but for passengers only!

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    • Yes, the Saturn was used last year. Silly just to use it for passengers, but very sensible to have it on the run for the games.

      What would have happened last year if heaven forbid the wind had come from the East and the Flyer could not run, or it was a bit choppy and both the Ali Cat and the Flyer were off.

      A lot of foot passengers come to the Cowal Games. If the bathtubs don’t run it is going to be a big issue so it makes sense to put a decent ship on the route.

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  5. From the Dunoon Observer – ARGYLL Ferries confirmed this week that troubled passenger ferry Clyde Clipper will be leased to supplement AliCat and Argyll Flyer on the Dunoon-Gourock route’s busiest day of the year – Cowal Games Saturday.
    However, the news has been met with dismay by ferry campaigners.

    Not a rosy decision!

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    • This is entirely consistent with the statement we were given by Transport Scotland.

      It is a relief to see this particular action taken. It is playing a straight bat with Dunoon, not sending mixed signals and giving rise to expectations that cannot be satisfied.

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      • In what sense is this a relief newsroom?

        Cowal Games is of major importance to the local economy. We are now going to be using three bathtubs and gambling on good weather.

        The Clyde Clipper was used on the passenger only service for a week or two at the start, she kept breaking down. The Argyll Flyer cancels if the wind comes from the east. The AliCat can only sail if its clear. None of them can sail once the water gets choppy.

        If we are lucky the weather will be good. If the weather is bad there could be a lot of disgruntled travellers and they may well think twice about coming back in future years as well.

        This is a huge gamble.

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        • The world is simply just fully empty for you. Always negative, always with the scaremongering.

          “we’re doomed captain mannering”

          I don’t know ferryman it just seems as if you need to find some joy.

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          • I don’t like incompetence. I disagree with a passenger only ferry but if they put one in in needs to be one that works.

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  6. The Observer showed a picture of people streaming of the Saturn for last year’s Cowal Games. The car deck and ramp look full and people are queuing to come down the stairs onto the car deck. There are a lot of brollies up.

    Saturn carried around 500 passengers. The Clyde Clipper and the other bathtubs only carry about 250 people each. So this year the capacity on the route will have been reduced by 25% from 1000 to 750 passengers – assuming the bathtubs run ( with possible prosecutions in the offing that is a big assumption ).

    The Saturn also had two substantial saloons as well as covered deck spaces. The bathtubs will be much more cramped if it raining.

    This seems a very blikered approach, just looking at ferry costs in isolation and ignoring the risk to the Cowal Games.
    Maybe the weather will be good this year, but this solution is going to come unstuck one year.

    Decent sized ferries that can cope with the weather are needed on this route.

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  7. 1020 Argyll Flyer has just gone off the Dunoon -Gourock run winds are 7-12 Mph and bright and sunny, rough at Gourock berth.
    Fail to see how any pontoons is going to improve this situation.

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    • Yes, it is bright and sunny weather we would be pleased to have for Cowal Games. But one of the bathtubs cannot cope with the breeze! If this happens at the Games the capacity on the route will have dropped by 50% compared with last year (more if the other bathtubs cannot run). Large numbers of people cannot simply make their way Western because they too are limited on how many passengers they can carry.

      Maybe the weather will be good, maybe it will be bad, but this is a ridiculous gamble.

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      • It is now 12:00 and that is the Argyll Ferry service suspended, to be reviewed at 15:00!

        I have had a look at various websites and the wind does not seem to be more than about 20mph.

        Neither of the current bathtubs are fit for the purpose of running a regular ferry service on the Firth of Clyde. As has been said all along larger vessels are needed.

        What is your solution for this newsroom (aka soapbox). You were in favour of using the bathtubs for the Games, where do you stand now?

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  8. My wife was going for the 12.50 ferry as she had an appointment at Inverclyde Hospital, needless to say ferry cancelled, so appointment had to be cancelled at short notice. This is the second time this appointment has been cancelled for the same reason.
    Western still running, and from my living I have just watched a yacht sail passed !

    Those coming for Cowal Games will have problems if the weather is as Agryll Ferries call it ” strong easterly winds” – what anyone else in there right mind would call a “breeze”

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  9. Argyll ferries still seem to be off.
    This is really farcical.

    The weather is not so nice now, but its well within normal for this part of the world.

    Had this been Games day it would have been a total disaster.

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