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Comment posted A83 closed due to another landslide – now reopened by ferryman.

Are you going to wait for a tunnel under the Arrochar Alps ? You are going to have a long wait.

I would be delighted with a tunnel under or a bridge over the Firth of Clyde. However there is absolutely no chance of either thing happening in my lifetime.

ferryman also commented

  • S.White wrote “maybe we will come to see the inconvenient stretches of water which separate us as potential highways” – absolutely.

    Unfortunately we don’t invest in these highways.
    Sea crossings are actually part of the experience for visitors. It is really enjoyable to stand on the deck of a ship and watch coast go by. It also makes much more sense to put HGVs carrying everything from timber to turbine towers on ships and keep them off the roads.

  • I am all for people taking the ferry but visitors do get a shock when they find out the price.

    We need real competition on the ferry route something we have never had. There was a big song and dance over tolls on the Skye bridge I really fail to see why a private monopoly ferry service on an important route is considered acceptable.

  • You get nothing for free. The ferry users will pay for the ferries and the taxpayer will pay for the destruction of the Cowal economy.
  • Wakeham you wrote “I didn’t realise that the Gourock vehicle ramp was being put to foot passenger use – it’s presumably a temporary measure”

    Precisely! You have been prattling on for ages about services you don’t use and know nothing about. No it is not a temporary measure, that is what was specified in the tender.

    The use of linkspans is of course superior to pontoons for embarking and disembarking because unlike pontoons they are not affected by wave motion or the wash from vessels and can be adjusted to accommodate for the vessel using the facility. In your earlier posts you showed your ignorance of the need for pontoon design to take into account the freeboard of the vessel using it.

  • For £25M you could get three ferries for Dunoon.
    A very modest amount.

    You are a proponent of tunnels, how many billions would that cost, as much or more than the free to use Forth Bridge?

    The whole Scottish ferry fleet only needs about £160M to bring it up to date. So yes it is extremely modest compared with what has been spent elsewhere.

Recent comments by ferryman

  • Responses to Scottish Government’s Information Day on potential Gourock-Dunoon ferry service
    As usual newsroom bends things by quoting the MVA report as saying the vehicle service ‘could be feasible’.

    In fact the reports states; “This study has therefore demonstrated that, given the assumptions made and analysis
    undertaken here,a passenger and vehicle ferry service IS feasible.”
    [ see section 9.1.10 http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/files/documents/reports/j278759/j278759.pdf ]

    I am not surprised that Serco are interested in what is Scotland’s busiest vehicle ferry route particularly when the competition turns such a massive profit margin from poorly located ports.

    If Serco have wider ambitions for ferries in Scotland, as it seems they do, then Dunoon Gourock would make sense.

  • Scottish Government moves on Clyde and Hebridean Ferry Services provision
    “A lifeline ferry service is required in order for a community to be viable.”

    So Dunoon is lifeline then – good.

  • Scottish Government moves on Clyde and Hebridean Ferry Services provision
    Newsroom says that Dunoon Gourock is “not a lifeline service”.

    I think Dunoon Gourock is an essential lifeline service but obviously Soapbox aka Newsroom does not.

    So where is the definition of “lifeline” so that we can decide who is correct?

    The answer is that there is no definition – Transport Scotland shall decide, route by route, to whom that applies.

    As to contractual terms, look at Dunoon Gourock, anybody can run anything there is absolutely no contractual need for the service to be reliable. So if your route is goung to be tendered in this way you are totally unprotected.

    Of course Dunoon Gourock is only a piddling little route – well no, according to the Scottish Government it is the most important Scottish route for vehicle transport and significant even on European terms, but that of course is not enough to make it lifeline in Newsroom’s eyes.

  • So what will Transport Scotland talk to Brussels about on Dunoon-Gourock ferry?
    Read the report.

    The taxpayer and the people of Dunoon/Cowal can have a passenger only service and pay a subsidy for it.

    Alternatively they can pay the same subsidy and get a passenger and vehicle service.

    Of course if they choose the vehicle service then the subsidy is paid back via berthing fees both to the Scottish Government and Argyll and Bute Council – in other words to the public purse it is for practical purposes free (which the passenger only service is not). Not only that but the operator of the vehicle service makes a larger profit.

    All of which in a Scottish Government produced report meets all EC requirements.

  • Lairds powering on to get Western’s boats completed
    So they are not actually as promised going to be in service for the games this year?

    If they were in service what would the additional car carrying capacity and people carrying capacity per hour have been?

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