Fair comment. There is genuine expertise of long …

Comment posted Crown Estate Commissioners hang on like limpets to Scottish rights by newsroom.

Fair comment. There is genuine expertise of long standing in those who work for the Crown Estate Commission. We hear favourable remarks on this on a regular basis.

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  • We doubt if anyone would see a departure from Charlotte Square as anything other than a corporate diminution – which was allied to a change in accounting practice,removing the previous separate accounting for the Scottish operation. Together these sketch an indicative story that needs to be told.
    We take it that you are not suggesting that the Bells Brae Crown Estate Commission establishment remained identical in number and level in the aftermath of the move from Charlotte Square? You might care to detail both.
  • Thank you Andrew. We understood that they had produced separate accounts for Scotland but, in the early days after their decampment, they merged the accounts – although they did later move to disaggregate them in the way you describe.

    Your Excel table sounds a very valuable exercise. When you’ve added the 2012 figures, if you would like to email the table to me (lm.henderson@powdermills.com) we could put it in pdf format and add it as an downloadable attachment to this article under your name – along with an explanatory paragraph from you. This wold make it universally available.
    Lynda

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  • SNP shuts down local branch Twitter proving witch hunt against Carmichael
    Did you read the piece we wrote the night the Carmichael lie was revealed?
    It was utterly excoriating.
    But what is going on now in the SNP’s vicious gangland-style hunting of Carmichael is primitive, sectarian and fully fascist.
    No civilised person could support it’ and no civilised society could tolerate it.
  • The Carmichael lie: another grubby pot condemns the leaking kettle
    We have no idea.Has the MSP given the year of his graduation? If so,the Glasgow University records for that year would put this matter to bed.
    If people have been unable to establish whether Mr MacKenzie graduated from Glasgow University, we are sure that he would respond to any direct questions on the matter.
    For us, life’s too short. There have always been inadequates and crooks who, for whatever reason, claim qualifications they haven’t got.
    We take people as we find them, on evidence of performance and capability, regardless of qualification or rank.
    However, this doesn’t really work when it comes to surgeons. Or does it?
    Does anyone remember the story – accurate – of a milkman from Leeds who spent his spare time reading about anatomy and general surgery in the local library, applied for job as a surgeon, got it, carried out operations with no apparent bad outcomes – memory says one was the a finger amputation and one an appendectomy – and got caught out, not through any surgical error but some paperwork glitch a keen eyed administrator eventually noticed.
  • SNP shuts down local branch Twitter proving witch hunt against Carmichael
    A witch hunt is described as an investigation carried out ostensibly to uncover subversive activities but actually used to harass and undermine those with differing views.
    QED.
    If you look at what is being planned by these mob-handed tweeters, they are wholly focused on hounding a man out of everything he can be hounded out of – and this is bringing the merciless harrying of the man’s family – who have done nothing.
    Alex Salmond’s lies were of far greater substance, far more dishonest, far more profoundly serious and would have been far more expensive for Scotland long into the future if over 55% of the voters in September 2014 had not recognised the dodgy indy prospectus for what it unquestionably was. You would probably have called it ‘mince’ – if it had been a pro-union document.
    The vindictiveness with which Carmichael is being harried has got nothing to to with any care for the truth. From comments here, is it clear that Mr Salmond’s direct lies can actually be believed to be fictions concocted by pro-unionists – even though he admitted the biggest of them to Andrew Neil on national television? You Tube carries a much visited permanent record of that event.
    The vindictiveness against Carmichael in today’s one party Scotland is driven by a genuinely worrying form of sectarian ethnic cleansing.
    He is the last Liberal Democrat in Scotland. That is not permissable. We must have none.
    David Mundell is the last Conservative in Scotland. We must have none of those either. And Il Magnifico himself has already set off in panting pursuit of Mundell, blunt instrument in hand.
    Something will be concocted to ramp up a mob against Ian Murray in Edinburgh South.
    These last remnants of pluralism standing against what is ever more noisily the jackboot tramp of the SNP brigades, are an endangered species.
    And if normal human beings buy into this culture, we will every one of us reap the whirlwind the SNP is sowing.
  • Supposing CalMac lost the Clyde and Hebridean ferries contract…
    Argyll Ferries is a subsidiary company of Caledonian Macbrayne Ltd, whose parent company is David MacBrayne Limited.
    The brand name’Caledonian MacBrayne’ is owned by CMAL. Apologies for using the shortened version.
    However, we will find out if CalMac is also a registered brand owned by CMAL and will add the answer to that when we get it.
    UPDATED 29 May: Caledonian MacBrayne and CalMac are trading names of CalMac Ferries Ltd (CFL). Caledonian MacBrayne , CalMac and the lion rampant device are registered trademarks of Caledonian Maritime Assets Limited (CMAL)and are used under licence by CalMac Ferries Ltd.
  • The Carmichael lie: another grubby pot condemns the leaking kettle
    Good question.
    The issue at the time was addressing what one could call a persistent local persecution of some ferrymen – and the council’s failure to offer robust protection to their employees.
    The conduct of the abusers was such as to fall clearly within the council’s own criterion of vexatious complainant. They had a written protocol for dealing with such complainants yet had never employed it in relation to these behaviours designed to harrass and damage their employees. On some occasions these behaviours were very much in the extreme, like pack animals ganging up on an individual.
    Several Easdale ferrymen treated in this way developed stress symptoms and had periods where they were unable to work.
    We were anxious to keep readers’ attention focused on what was an issue of serious importance.
    We felt that were we to identify this particular participant, whose behaviours were worryingly threatening, that could have become the main issue; and the less high profile issues of the undefended ferrymen could have got buried.
    The harrassment and abuse that went on, delivered by a specific group – much of which we published – was utterly unprincipled and calculated to be as personally damaging as possible. That was the heart of the matter and that was what we wanted to keep in focus.
    That was the judgment behind the anonymity used at that time.
    That need no longer exists; and the deliberate predation of Carmichael is unpleasant, self-serving and hypocritical.

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12 Responses to Fair comment. There is genuine expertise of long …

  1. Good to see that you are still pursuing and publishing on the Crown Estate. But one variation from the article. The Crown Estate’s Annual Report and Accounts do provide material for the whole UK under each of its main budget areas. Its Scottish Report provides data about Scottish income and expenditure under the same budget headings, so it is possible to analyse its performance in Scotland on its own and against the position for the UK as a whole. A year ago I created an Excel table to complete a Scottish/UK analysis and comparison for 2001 and 2011, and will update that with the 2012 figures – happy to provide that to anyone interested in the statistics if they e-mail me on: andrewmreid@btinternet.com;
    andrew

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    • Thank you Andrew. We understood that they had produced separate accounts for Scotland but, in the early days after their decampment, they merged the accounts – although they did later move to disaggregate them in the way you describe.

      Your Excel table sounds a very valuable exercise. When you’ve added the 2012 figures, if you would like to email the table to me (lm.henderson@powdermills.com) we could put it in pdf format and add it as an downloadable attachment to this article under your name – along with an explanatory paragraph from you. This wold make it universally available.
      Lynda

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  3. While supporting the thinking that monies collected by the Crown Estate in Scotland should remain in Scotland and that administration of Scottish waters should be based in Scotland, I have concerns about what sort of body will replace the CEC should its powers be taken over.

    As a seafarer and mooring holder, I dread to think what would happen if the likes of Argyll and Bute Council got hold of the rights to collect the rent. A system of sea bed administration which works well, however unfairly from a Scottish perspective, will be demolished at a stroke to be replaced by inept, short term political greed – seeing every mooring as a cash cow. Chaos and anarchy would ensue as rents would be unpaid, moorings laid anywhere without control and there would be a complete lack of policing. The cash cow would quickly become a burden to the council tax payer.

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    • Fair comment. There is genuine expertise of long standing in those who work for the Crown Estate Commission. We hear favourable remarks on this on a regular basis.

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    • It would be interesting to know what happens in places like Norway or the Aland islands, where the pattern of activity in coastal waters must be similar to that in Argyll.

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    • Not sure if this is usefull to the discusion or not but in Dundee control of the shore was handed to the local council who then upped the rent local sailing clubs were paying for their slipways by around 400%.

      Tony Gill raises a very good point and I dread to think what would happen if the councils were given control of the seabed as well.

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  5. I do think it matters if responsible jounalists get their facts right when writing critical articles of this nature. The Crown Estate Office in Edinburgh has never been closed. It merely moved premises from Charlotte Square to Bells Brae in 2003. True some functions -control of the urban estate-moved to London but that is an entirely different matter.

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    • We doubt if anyone would see a departure from Charlotte Square as anything other than a corporate diminution – which was allied to a change in accounting practice,removing the previous separate accounting for the Scottish operation. Together these sketch an indicative story that needs to be told.
      We take it that you are not suggesting that the Bells Brae Crown Estate Commission establishment remained identical in number and level in the aftermath of the move from Charlotte Square? You might care to detail both.

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  6. I’m looking forward to a continuation of the story. I must admit when I formulated a reply to the Crown estate Consultation on behalf of the Scottish Islands Federation, which is available in full as a book and as far as I know online, the conclusion I drew is that although the Crown estate where perhaps not fully transparent, the formation of an independent Scottish advisory board to act according to Existing Scottish law on behalf of Scottish people. I mean people who are perhaps retired but who have a great knowledge of the various subjects to be considered, particularly maritime affairs, but who are independent of businesses. In September the Scottish Islands Federation (SIF) are hosting the AGM of the European Small Islands Network (ESIN) on Mull so we could gather together information on how it’s done elsewhere. The independent islands seem to be more empowered. Unfortunately local authorities have often disempowered local coastal inhabitants.

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  7. Your article stated quite clearly that the Crown Estate had shut its Edinburgh Office. Why can’t you admit you were wrong instead of trying to muddy the waters? Who cares where their office is so long as they have one and as for staff numbers they like many other organisations have flucuated through the years.
    You make some perfectly reasonable points in your article and then spoil it with a lack of balance.Why not mention some positive points? Without the Crown Estate fish farming would never have seen the light of day in Scotland and many fragile West Coast communities would have died along with the deep sea fishing industry. Secondly the tenanted farms on the Crowns’s rural holdings are the best equipped anywhere in Scotland as any visitor to Glenlivet or Fochabers will tell you.But you don’t want your readers to know that do you?

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