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Comment posted Time to ask what the people will stand: striking GPs have it all ways by Dr Douglas McKenzie.

Are the GPs’ pension schemes contributory? (in which case the issue is at the margins) or are their contracts like civil servants non-contributory? (in which case, I agree there is an issue here and ranks up with lots of other benefits medics get – such as Consultant “A list” supplements.)

The big elephant in the room of course is the possibility that all medics leave the NHS and we end up with a private heath service (that, going by the experience in the USA, will be much, much more expensive than the NHS even with these perks).

Dr Douglas McKenzie also commented

  • Thanks for that BFOandC – though it depresses me further with the thought that our public sector pension liability is even higher than I imagined.

    There is a good article on this here:

    It confirms that the only major public service pension fund that has capital behind it is the Local Government Workers scheme.

  • Thanks for pointing out that civil servants pensions are now contributory – albeit at a very low rate (less than 4% at the highest levels). They, of course, always had a widows and orphans contribution of 1.5%. The classic pension is still a final salary scheme so much better than pretty much anything available in the private sector.

    The point about the Civil Service pension scheme is that it is not fully funded so future tax payers have to pick up the tab.

    I completely agree that we have to be careful about separating out the Civil Service Pension schemes from that of other public sector workers, most of whom have fully funded, contributory schemes.

    Back to the medics: is their scheme fully funded or not?l Probably yes, in which case our only concern is whether the employer (ie our) contribution is proportional to the benefits produced.

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