Comment posted Scrapping metal theft: Justice Secretary’s steely measures against the rip off merchants by Jim B.
There have been several mentions of unlicenced scrap metal dealers being caught in Argyll & Bute (Dunoon Observer). Some were offering a good service to the public but they were stopped from trading all the same.
Recent comments by Jim B
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Why should UKIP not come to Scotland? Is it because the vote for indy is a vote for rule by
the EU? Become independent and become citzens of the United states of Europe (for that is where the EU is clearly heading) is to me totally illogical. Maybe Mr. Farage highlights a weakness in the SNP case.I for one look forward to the promised referendum, bring it on, the sooner the better and lets get away from what is a corrupt organisation that cannot even sign off on its accounts.
As for the furore about immigration, it is all very well when you live in Argyll which has few immigrants and those we do have seem to have integrated quite well. There are other areas of the UK where locals feel like strangers in their own land. Is this not a social problem and should the likes of UKIP not highlight it?
- Argyll and Bute Council: the horsetrading begins
Gosh Fletcher you had better watch your halo dosen’t slip and choke you.You say,”What people want is what they voted for: the SNP group to form the administration and do a good job of governing Argyll” but the SNP clearly has not done this in any way shape or form. Everbody else can see this. What is wrong with you?
- New council administration appears not to be what it seemed
Is For Argyll behind the times on this one?
I saw on the BBCnews/scotland website that the A&B SNP group have been suspended by the party for entering into a coalition without the party’s consent.
You could not make this up.
Just shows how centralised the supposedly democratic and transparent the SNP really are. - Struan and then some: the revelation of planned elderly care provision in Argyll and Bute
There was an article on tbe BBC/scotlandnews website last week about similar power play problems happening in another SNP council. I forget exactly which council it was but I think it was to the north of the country.So, A&B council is not a lone example.
- Struan and then some: the revelation of planned elderly care provision in Argyll and Bute
It might also be worth remembering JT that another option, raising Council Tax to increase income for the Council, was taken away by the SNP government.Or have I got it wrong and is it the fault of Westminster too?
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I’m a bit mystified, what about the dealers with a turnover GREATER than £i million? Don’t they too need a license?
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It turns out: in principle, all metal dealers (of any size) do need a licence.
But LARGE dealers, with a turnover above £1M (currently £100k) — who can be assumed to be well-run businesses — can apply to be exempted from licencing, and (if in possession of an exemption warrant) would not require a licence.
SMALL dealers cannot be exempted, and require to be licenced, no matter how small the turnover.
I was as mystified as you — or more so. (As may be apparent from my other comments on this story.)
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Raising an exemption limit from £100,000 to £1M would seem to INCREASE the number of exempt dealers, rather than bring more under control. Are you sure the story is the right way up? (Yes, this does seem to be what Mr MacAskill said, and Mr McMillan welcomed. I think I am missing something here.)
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This is a very good point, with immediate logic.
We will seek answers on this and make them known here when we get them.
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Stuart McMillan has sent us this note on what the Law Society say in their response to the consultation:
“The Sub-Committee notes the policy intent of this proposal which, by increasing the Exemption Warrant where a dealer has a turnover of over £100,000 to £10 million would, of course, significantly increase the turnover level required in order for a warrant exempting a dealer from licensing to be obtained and accordingly have the effect of drawing many more dealers into the licensing system.”
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Ahah, I may have got it now. (But it has taken several cups of coffee to get here.)
My interpretation: ANY scrap metal dealer (no matter how small) must, in principle, be licensed. But small dealers may apply for an exemption warrant, exempting them from licencing. Any larger dealers must be fully licensed. The definition of “small” is being changed from £100k to £1M, so a dealer with a turnover somewhere in the £100k-£1M range will now be subject to the full licensing regime (whereas previously warranted) and will not be able to clain the small trader’s exemption warrant.
Have I got this right now?
I say that the publicity about this matter has not been entirely clear.
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No, I still don’t understand it.
Previously, a “small” dealer (who could apply for a warrant) had a turnover up to £100k; now, a “small” dealer with a turnover up to £1M can apply for an exemption warrant. Really? I still think this will exempt more dealers, rather than bring more into the full licencing system.
I am sorry to go on and on about this, and I would be grateful if anyone can give me an explanation in words of not-many syllables (because, as Pooh said, “big words bother me”).
Variation: will someone please explain what the licencing / warrant requirements were in the past, and will be in the future, for dealers with turnovers of say £50k, £200k, £2M. One of these has changed — but in which direction?
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It is I who have got it the wrong way up. I would have assumed that an exemption process would be available to small dealers. That assumption was wrong — exemption from licencing is only available to large dealers. As such, increasing the threshold does indeed bring more businesses fully into the licencing net.
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If the current level of exemption is above £100,000 then by raising it to a million and above you would have a greater catchment number by introducing a licence system at 1Million and below you will eradicate the criminal element within small dealers.
Just look how successful the driving licence is! we have no accidents involving licensed drivers the alcohol licence is even better we have no underage drinking and no more alcoholics.
I think we need even more forms of licensing maybe a walking licence or a sickness licence just think about it if we had a sickness licence then no one could take a fake sickie without first applying for a licence
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How about a blogging licence? Any childish insults, rubbish presented as fact, and/or talking gibberish, and you’re OUT. Not you personally, mind.
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Interesting thinking,licence people and they will all of sudden stop stealing our property or selling it on.Well are the courts going to issue licences to all the criminals.Who will pay for the extra police to investigate the dealers if this business is so lucrative.Thats it lads we need a licence to go on the roof for the lead we better just stay in and watch cornation street instead.I am sorry I just don,t see a piece of paper working.
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There have been several mentions of unlicenced scrap metal dealers being caught in Argyll & Bute (Dunoon Observer). Some were offering a good service to the public but they were stopped from trading all the same.
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