Comment posted Scrapping metal theft: Justice Secretary’s steely measures against the rip off merchants by Keith McMillan.
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If the current level of exemption is above £100,000 then by raising it to a million and above you would have a greater catchment number by introducing a licence system at 1Million and below you will eradicate the criminal element within small dealers.
Just look how successful the driving licence is! we have no accidents involving licensed drivers the alcohol licence is even better we have no underage drinking and no more alcoholics.
I think we need even more forms of licensing maybe a walking licence or a sickness licence just think about it if we had a sickness licence then no one could take a fake sickie without first applying for a licence
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H20 “Scotland is a nation and a country. The UK is not a county but a political state” are you having a laugh?
Scotland is a legal fiction, a procurement phantom or legal entity; it does not exist except in the minds of the people who buy into the idea of it. The same goes for your society crap.
As for the European Union what can be said about the unelected troika! That cost the people on this island 52Million pounds per day, what was it the Russian president guy said “it reminds him of the old Soviet Union”
The illegal wars are set by the Bilderberg and UN group so even if “Scotland” was independent the “Scottish” troops would be sent! (three countries which are not part of the central bank IMF system, Syria, Iran and north Korea, Still need to be bombed and given EU democracy) (lots more illegal wars)
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Well done Mr McCuish - First Minister’s choice not to condemn mob behaviour proves Farage point
H20: no raw nerve my friend! Just spelling out some truths to the whole multiculturalism subject, but guess in the PC world the corporation “Scotland” some people just don’t want to see the dark or down side of mass immigration.
Guess in your world there are no bad people or bad immigrants, I guess we should all make complaints about our new state police corporation, Their Oban department have just in the last week been totally racist by raiding several premises in Oban and rounding up some 17 immigrants
These 17 people were nice and productive members of the Oban community, but by the actions of the police these poor people have been discriminated against.
Now as for my comments about Kim Jung Fats Salmond I stand by them. Is it not funny this is the turd which brought in a ban on buying raw milk, the public smoking ban, the ban on displaying cigarettes? Yet he has done nothing about the quality of food on the market or the “growing” obesity problem in this corporation (or as you claim country)
You keep on about this Scotland crap can you tell me what this Scotland is? You also jump between people and citizens well which is it? Or are you trying to coerce me in to believing a people are citizens? Are you trying to con me into believing Scotland is a country? Can you prove it?
Yes I fully agree with you we are all people sharing a planet or land mass, all earthlings you could say! but is it not you who is supporting a divide between people with you claim of being “Scottish”
Are you not the racist with you implied “Scottish” superiority in compassion, I think my friend you have bought into the illusion of living in a society a citizen living on the citizenship spouting all the little labels and titles.
Are you letting a bit of your bigotry shine through with your reference to the origin of the name Farage? - First Minister’s choice not to condemn mob behaviour proves Farage point
h20: maybe you should spend some time in England and see how wonderful your love of gimmiegration works!
try moving about in areas like Birmingham with their non white area, area of the city that not even the police will go in to. What about the area of England with sharia law vigilante groups roaming the streets harassing British People?
Loony right wing let’s look at the all loving all hugging loony left with their multiculturalism
The NHS can’t cope with the increase in patients and their variety of languages the police are stretched not to mention the public schools, But we don’t talk about it because the tree hugging left will call us racists
At a certain point of bending over to accommodate immigration and accepting their culture, The people of the host country will be forced to lose their own culture
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I’m a bit mystified, what about the dealers with a turnover GREATER than £i million? Don’t they too need a license?
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It turns out: in principle, all metal dealers (of any size) do need a licence.
But LARGE dealers, with a turnover above £1M (currently £100k) — who can be assumed to be well-run businesses — can apply to be exempted from licencing, and (if in possession of an exemption warrant) would not require a licence.
SMALL dealers cannot be exempted, and require to be licenced, no matter how small the turnover.
I was as mystified as you — or more so. (As may be apparent from my other comments on this story.)
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Raising an exemption limit from £100,000 to £1M would seem to INCREASE the number of exempt dealers, rather than bring more under control. Are you sure the story is the right way up? (Yes, this does seem to be what Mr MacAskill said, and Mr McMillan welcomed. I think I am missing something here.)
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This is a very good point, with immediate logic.
We will seek answers on this and make them known here when we get them.
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Stuart McMillan has sent us this note on what the Law Society say in their response to the consultation:
“The Sub-Committee notes the policy intent of this proposal which, by increasing the Exemption Warrant where a dealer has a turnover of over £100,000 to £10 million would, of course, significantly increase the turnover level required in order for a warrant exempting a dealer from licensing to be obtained and accordingly have the effect of drawing many more dealers into the licensing system.”
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Ahah, I may have got it now. (But it has taken several cups of coffee to get here.)
My interpretation: ANY scrap metal dealer (no matter how small) must, in principle, be licensed. But small dealers may apply for an exemption warrant, exempting them from licencing. Any larger dealers must be fully licensed. The definition of “small” is being changed from £100k to £1M, so a dealer with a turnover somewhere in the £100k-£1M range will now be subject to the full licensing regime (whereas previously warranted) and will not be able to clain the small trader’s exemption warrant.
Have I got this right now?
I say that the publicity about this matter has not been entirely clear.
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No, I still don’t understand it.
Previously, a “small” dealer (who could apply for a warrant) had a turnover up to £100k; now, a “small” dealer with a turnover up to £1M can apply for an exemption warrant. Really? I still think this will exempt more dealers, rather than bring more into the full licencing system.
I am sorry to go on and on about this, and I would be grateful if anyone can give me an explanation in words of not-many syllables (because, as Pooh said, “big words bother me”).
Variation: will someone please explain what the licencing / warrant requirements were in the past, and will be in the future, for dealers with turnovers of say £50k, £200k, £2M. One of these has changed — but in which direction?
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It is I who have got it the wrong way up. I would have assumed that an exemption process would be available to small dealers. That assumption was wrong — exemption from licencing is only available to large dealers. As such, increasing the threshold does indeed bring more businesses fully into the licencing net.
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If the current level of exemption is above £100,000 then by raising it to a million and above you would have a greater catchment number by introducing a licence system at 1Million and below you will eradicate the criminal element within small dealers.
Just look how successful the driving licence is! we have no accidents involving licensed drivers the alcohol licence is even better we have no underage drinking and no more alcoholics.
I think we need even more forms of licensing maybe a walking licence or a sickness licence just think about it if we had a sickness licence then no one could take a fake sickie without first applying for a licence
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How about a blogging licence? Any childish insults, rubbish presented as fact, and/or talking gibberish, and you’re OUT. Not you personally, mind.
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Interesting thinking,licence people and they will all of sudden stop stealing our property or selling it on.Well are the courts going to issue licences to all the criminals.Who will pay for the extra police to investigate the dealers if this business is so lucrative.Thats it lads we need a licence to go on the roof for the lead we better just stay in and watch cornation street instead.I am sorry I just don,t see a piece of paper working.
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There have been several mentions of unlicenced scrap metal dealers being caught in Argyll & Bute (Dunoon Observer). Some were offering a good service to the public but they were stopped from trading all the same.
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