Comment posted on Pilots concerned on wind farm generated air turbulence by Karl Hughes
Who said I approved…you again jump to the blinkered conclusion.
I believe that mankinds actions have and are contributing to changes in our atmosphere…a smiley can quite as easily mean I am laughing at the site…I will edit my post. cheers…
Anyhow back to real issues:
I don’t suppose you could dig deep for an answer to my previous two questions could you ?
To refresh and simplified:
On a Global % basis how much CO2 will be reduced from the atmosphere if Scotland meets the 2020 targets?
Globally, name one industrial wind powerstation that can stand on its own fiscal feet or foot and say it is not subsidised. ?
Edit: Ok..just had a quick look at the site Webcraft…they are “sceptics”, which means they are in want of more proof, far more not “anti- anything” than you are pro-industrial wind. Some of the articles are quite funny.
What is wrong with the below ? it is their mandate.
“We are sceptical. This doesn’t mean we are “anti” anything; it means we are in favour of basing policy on evidence and not on the viewpoint of any individual or group. All real scientists are sceptics, or as the Royal Society motto puts it, we “take no one’s word for it”. So, we are neither pro, nor anti man made global warming, just as we are neither pro nor anti wind, nuclear or any other climate or energy issue. instead we want all the evidence to be available government policy based on the evidence”.
Karl Hughes also commented
- Tim rewind:this was the catalyst
Karl Hughes says:
July 2, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Agreed…but we also have to change in a sustainable manner…like you say, we are a small, in geographical terms, nation…and as such, we are far less able to absorb large physical changes (industrialisation) in the way we deploy instruments of change industrial wind power stations
Local up is the obvious answer…not state down…and definately not state sponsored commercialism down. This methodology has a proven track record in some developing nation,,,for example, many of the rural areas of Western Africa…even her in Scotland…
We can lead by example…but deployment of large scale industrial wind power stations is a plinian victory in the face of massive and ever increasing energy use and co2 release related to China, India and the US, etcetera…seriously, what do we gain except empty moral high ground, the destruction or damage of our own environment…for the sake of $$$$$$$$$$ in foreign pockets.
Is this so wrong ? We are leading the way in a reduced hydrocarbon use and thats admirable…and we can go back historically and say sorry we did not know an industrial revolution would kick off global warming and accelerated climate change…much the same as we can say sorry for slavery…it gives some close-out to historic events, but does not achieve anything if developing nations are not willing or unable to stop themselves doing the same
…it’s cyclic driven by want rather than need.China and the US etc may not have been the big poluters in the past…but they are now, and they will be in the future…1.3billion Chinese are looking to have the same lifestyle as we have in the west…and why not…the big difference is they have already noted the cyclic elements of development = pollution
” between 1791 and 1831 the population of England and Wales grew at an unprecedented rate: from about 7.7 million to 13.2 million and it was to double again to around 25 million by the 1860s. The Scottish population grew much more slowly doubling from around 2 million to 4 million during the whole period from the 1780s to the 1860s.” now put this into the contex of growing industrialisation in for example: China… http://www.ehs.org.uk/industrialrevolution/PH_index.htm
If the commercial giants of wind want to make a change…they should look further a field…and make a real change. Using Scotland as a Shop window is wrong for Scotland (and I refer in total only to commercial windustrial wind)
China is already doing it’s own thing (state owned in entirety of course)…so why do folks feel we will lead the world by example…they already accept we messed up.
- Thanks Cpt Kirk, I rarely look at the site,…quite an insight and definately on par with the worst articles I have seen on such spoof websites…
Off for a cuppa. “beam me up Scotty renewables”.
- “Another place, another argument with a Scottish anti-wind activist who wants to know how much CO2, on a global percentage basis, will be removed from the atmosphere if Scotland meets her 2020 targets”…
I simply can’t let this go…you are the author of spurious mis-information on your website. Now this can either be down to your inability to accept an individual does not agree with commercial wind, and is yet at the same time able quite easily to actively supports community wind; to the point where he was actively involved in building a turbine…(come to Tiree, it’s the large grey structure with 3 blades)…or a blatant lie brought about by your inability to tell the truth….
On this basis alone you have no credibility as a useful or indeed honest source of objective information.
If anything your website is totally counterproductive to the renewables cause.
The article you have written then continues to be riddled with mis-information that the ill informed could be fooled into actually thinking is objective fact. Is this the way you expect to be able to change the current problems we find the world in Webcraft…who are your mentors ? it certainly is not the renewables industry, they show far more intellect in their arguments.
In future and free of charge would you like to forward me such articles and I ensure you they will become objective/informative/ and above all truthful and indeed useful.
Your are also lacking a total for your cumulative emissions what happened to the other 28+%…oh, don’t answer that…it’s too blatantly obvious !
(edit: Scots Renewables/webcraft subsequently removed inflamatory references.)
- Thanks..saved me the trouble…note China V USA webcraft. QED
Aye webcraft…”excellent data” for the case against industrialisation of our “least damaged most natural places” I would say…
I suggest you print this out and place it above your laptop. Errr where is Scotlands co2 out-put…oh there it is… that misplaced pixel off out towards the Iceland !
As for historic data…excuse me but there seems to be something at odds here…are we not trying to reverse current trends to gat back to pastures once green… Webcraft ? or is the entire renewables campaign and search for alternative power sources wrong in your books…f
Anyhow there I go again wasting another nano-second..
off to pastures new , Take 2
- When does picking a fight equate to asking for an answer from a supporter of industrial wind power ?
“Scotland’s overall global contribution to CO2 reduction will be a very small number as a percentage. It will however be disproportionately large compared to her population.”
Yes I agree, out of scale in comparison with both it’s land mass and population…the problem is even though we may meet our targets…the global CO2 emmissions still rise. As a further break down you might want to take other renewables out of the pot..and focus solely on wind…after all is this not what this discussion is about.
In regards to China…please get your facts right…they are the fastest growing producers of CO2 and are expected to over take the USA’s emissions within a 10 year period. The USA will also continue to produce more CO2..(trends up in both cases)
“I don’t intend to enter into a discussion with you about subsidies, except to say that most authorities agree that onshore wind will be competitive without subsidy by 2016. It seems strange to me that you and your fellow travellers want to scrap a new technology just before it becomes competitive.”
It is not like industrial wind has just appeared ! go take a look at a time line. There we go…ZERO. and also you revert again to the economist spin of “competitive”…and have the gall to seperate onshore and offshore wind…they are the same industrial/commercial beast.
Please do not tell un-truths, it does nothing for your credibility…. I have never mentioned scrapping a new technology “wind” (not that wind is that new eh ) I have always and always will support community wind/renewables ventures…I suggest you re-read all of my posts..and note that common thread.
I will revisit the issue in 2016…I think you will find that this, if not before, will be the year in which the coffin nail will finally be driven home…
Time to move on to a new issue.
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Tiree has had a baby boom over the last 5 years…seems the intake in pre-5 is on the up…don’t have exact figures…but certainly the school is sustainable
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This is an article on re- processing…not generation ! FYI the Argyll Array estimated cost is 7.6 billion….thats before a milli amp is generated.
And there is Gas plus Englands own wind industrialisation…drive
The fact remains why would the rUK buy from Scotland when they can get it cheaper from across the Channel or their home market….we don’t even have the grid to export…who will pay for that…England, naw…dont think so.
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Scotland gets indy from the rest of the United Kingdom….and then outsources governance services across the border or to the EU….we pay more. DVLA and Currency just small ( LMAO ) examples….lets face it we are joined at the hip…the nationalist dream is built on insecurity and greed for the black stuff….what a burach…
When the oil goes…for whatever reason…Salmond thinks we can export electricity to the UK and EU from our swaths of turbines….why would anyone pay for this when they have secure energy in nuke.
The SNP are digging a large black hole that will be populated by quangos and empty promises, and capped by handouts and begging letters….LMAO
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MR RUSSEL ,
Seems to me that the you have not made any point at all…simply squirmed your way into the political vacous speel that you and your ilk always revert to…Simply correct anything you see as subjective….Politics and politicians … your self included seem to have forgot you work for us…the folks who pay your wages…so earn your coffers and put some meat on the NEWSIE post……
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And lets thank all junior doctors in Oban and further afield for working long hours for a pittance of reward…the helicopter crews for acting with continuing professionalism…and Tesco’s for their wonderfull prime pork sausages…..
Suggest MM reads the following before he blows a gasket.
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