When paying for expenses should we be looking …

Comment posted Senior opposition members of council not obviously keen to work by John Sinclair.

When paying for expenses should we be looking for “Best Value”, car sharing and using public transport. Video conferencing would open up the democratic process to the people and an audit trail of participation of elected and paid members of the council. Has there been a fees-ability study done on this.

John Sinclair also commented

  • “There will be many times where the additional time lost using public transport outweighs the additional cost of taking a car instead of the bus.”
    Totally agree with what you have stated, an individual transport vehicle will always be more flexible than public transport and may be more appropriate at low volume times. If public servants had to rely more on public transport,would this not have a positive effect on improvements on the system which many of us have no option but use. Video conferencing would seem to be a very positive option.
  • “These are unpaid positions” are councillors not paid.
    Expenses, say no more.

Recent comments by John Sinclair

  • The independence campaign: personal gains and loss
    Read my older posts Karl, you might just get a inkling of were I am going from were I have come.
    And for you Richard grow up for once, grow a pair of yesticles, your antics no longer have any amusement value left, enjoy snuggling into your processions. And finally this comment is for Robert, just go out and buy a bigger car, and then buy a bigger car, you will never ever be happy, you have no love in you, no happiness. They are not my words they are from a man whose house is
    filled with happiness and caring and love for everyone.“I lost the friends that needed losing / found others on the way.”
  • The independence campaign: personal gains and loss
    Karl what do I deserve, come on spit it out, if I give it I should be able to take it. Come on then what do I deserve, let everyone known, is your true personality coming out now. Just say it you will feel a lot better.
  • The independence campaign: personal gains and loss
    “now stop your nonsense”
    Strange, the Yes movement has driven that change you are talking about, without it the ruling hands of Westminster would still have a firm grip round all our throats, we are prising them away to let us all breath clearly once again. Some people are so selfish, just me,me,me.
  • The independence campaign: personal gains and loss
    Got to go, enjoy working abroad and using Scotland as a hotel and play thing when you pop back. We want change, we want a good future for the generations to come. We will put a stop to the export trade of the youth because there’s no hope left in their home nation. This is due to the greed of Westminster. Change is here, the yes movement has driven it, there is a society here we need each other we are on that road.
  • The independence campaign: personal gains and loss
    “Remember the silent Jnr…which way will they vote YOU do not know…”
    Talk of 97% register to vote, talk of 80% plus voting, a big block of people who didn’t even have a voice have registered to vote, many for the first time in their adult life. They are not going to stay silent for much longer.

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18 Responses to When paying for expenses should we be looking …

  1. My, how the worms have turned. Remember when the LibDems joined with the Alliance of Evil and they all couldn’t wait to get positions on these committees…

    or was it just about the cash?

    Argyll & Bute Council have advanced my cynicism to epic proportions :)

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  2. I don’t think that I’d want to be at the forefront of yet more criticism after being relegated to the position of opposition. Time for them all to take a back seat and watch how easy the new administration find things.

    Let the fun begin!

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    • So what you’re saying is they should say ‘we are not going to fulfil the role we have been elected to fulfil unless we get to be in charge.’ Sounds to me like a pretty appalling attitude for an elected member to adopt.

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  3. I wouldn’t start crowing just yet newsie. There are potentially a few years(?) of this administration to go. I’ll betcha on two things – you’re going to get a far more effective opposition than you’ve ever seen on the previous council, and, there will be fractures in the ‘rag-bag alliance’* because of the ambitious and able being held back by the less-than-able-but-party-apparatchiks. And that’s without mentioning the serial flippers who have sold their principles for positions and money.

    We’ll see shall we? :)

    ps did you get your media accreditation yet??? :) :)

    pps When do you start your campaign to get private roads and water works adopted by the SNP-led rag bag alliance*?

    *copywright newsie.

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  4. Why the clamour for a position on the Planning Committee? Could it be that sitting on it is a more rewarding experience than on other committees?

    Perhaps many of the others are too boring – or complicated.

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  5. Newsie just how you equate your fatuous claim to integrity (“Whether or not we are always ‘right’, we are always working to be honest, objective and evidenced in what we say”) with your unsubstantiated claim that “Councillor Vivien Dance, reputedly hanging out for the bestowal from Buckingham Palace of Deputy Lord Lieutenant…? Mmm?

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  6. Councillors sitting on the Planning Committee probably feel in a more powerful position than sitting on some of the other committees.

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  7. Simon
    Right to point out the in-accuracy of reports on the royal campaign of Lord and Lady Dance – the royal wee understands an OBE would be acceptable to.

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  8. It is factually correct to say they are unpaid places because sitting on, or not sitting on, these committees makes no difference to the salary of a Councillor (unlike some other posts which do receive an additional premium).
    That said I am of the opinion that the standard councillor salary is paid for fulfilling the role of a councillor and part of that role should be to take a place in one, or more, of the necessary committees/groups etc. Any councillor refusing to take on a role should be asked to explain why they are doing so and if that explanation isn’t appropriate then they should be asked to reconsider their position as a councillor.

    I do think we need to differentiate pay from expenses though. Councillors rightly receive expenses for personal cost incurred carrying out their duties. If what they claim for is within the rules set out by the Council then I have no problem with that whatsoever. There will undoubtedly be occasions where a councillor (and I mean in any council) fiddles their expenses, just as there are employees in just about every business in the country who will do likewise and what we hope is that the appropriate processes are in place to catch material breaches (and minor ones to too if possible) and then appropriate action is taken.

    Whether all the journeys etc are necessary is a different discussion and brings us back to issues such as video conferencing.

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  9. When paying for expenses should we be looking for “Best Value”, car sharing and using public transport. Video conferencing would open up the democratic process to the people and an audit trail of participation of elected and paid members of the council. Has there been a fees-ability study done on this.

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  10. John,

    I find it hard ot believe anyone would disagree that councillors (and all public sector staff) should be looking at ways of reducing expenses. Car sharing is an obvious one and I would hope that every public sector body promotes it (many have car sharing schemes established within the workplace). Video conferencing is another obvious area to explore and it has been discussed on here before, and suggested by some councillors. I would hope to see this progressed.

    Public transport obviously depends on geography and timetable limitations, something which is a big factor in A&B. There will be many times where the additonal time lost using public transport outweighs the additional cost of taking a car instead of the bus.

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    • “There will be many times where the additional time lost using public transport outweighs the additional cost of taking a car instead of the bus.”
      Totally agree with what you have stated, an individual transport vehicle will always be more flexible than public transport and may be more appropriate at low volume times. If public servants had to rely more on public transport,would this not have a positive effect on improvements on the system which many of us have no option but use. Video conferencing would seem to be a very positive option.

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  11. Is not about time that these members of the “Old Regime” started serving the people of Argyll and Bute and put their own narrow self interest on the back burner. I see Ellen Morton in a letter in the local paper is claiming credit for the money raised for Mary’s Meals by the School dinner system effort throughout the area. Shame on You!

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