Good evening from Eden Doctor:
Firstly, you may have noticed I do not get involved and rarely comment on the numerical side of wind, ROC’s, subsidies and the likes…that because my head space is not designed for such things, I understand and comprehend but my persona is better suited in dealing with the wellbeing of people and the environment, both in my professional status and my status within the ranks of the No Tiree Array Campaign…Robert my brother in arms is the man in that respect. So I will address what I choose to address
“Besides, the SG isn’t so green in its targets as it likes to portray itself as. Our overall energy targets are much less bullish than our electricity targets. Coal remains a big part in Scotland’s future energy mix but this requires CCS technology otherwise there is no way we can meet our carbon reduction targets. The First Minister has always been very vocal in his support for the oil industry. He is careful not to kill any of Scotland’s golden energy geese. It’s not that the SG is being hypocritical – it wants Scotland to lead Europe in renewables (particularly marine) but maintaining jobs and the economy means being nice to the fossil fuel sector as well as to renewables.”
KH: Agreed…and a balance between damage to our existing environment and economic return is like walking a tight rope in a gale, wearing herrings on your feet. My personal feeling is that the Scottish Government are bias towards commercial and political interest which in turn takes priority over the aforementioned environmental repercussions. Marine Energy will also have massive problems at a latter date, it is simply that marine has yet to reach levels such as wind (Saturation point)
“I think that you are correct that the UK will miss its 15% target – which will make the UK the worst member state in the EU as far as renewables is concerned. The Scottish target is very ambitious but probably easier to achieve than the UK target. It is also a hostage to the weather as reaching it in terms of generation (rather than just installed capacity) requires windy and wet weather (no change there then). Whether or not it is achieved, it has propelled Scotland to the forefront of international attention with. regard to renewable investment which is a good thing”
KH: Alex Salmond has propelled Scotland into the fore front of renewable investment on the home front only…do not accept that the rest of the world sees us at the forefront of renewables …this is spin, they do not. The investment is because we are in many ways easy prey for the multi-nationals because of poor planning and an emphasize on commercial return rather that environmental preservation and management. Our legislation is way behind our drive for wind…and this for one is a cart befor the horse situation…and this view is supported by Marine Scotland and SNH.
“I also don’t understand your comment about cart and horse. There are a whole raft of wind projects that are not progressing because of grid connection issues. There are a lot of wind farms in planning before grid connections are sorted out but I’m unaware of may being built before the grid connections have been secured (that would be silly). If you look at where wind farms are being built as opposed to where people are talking about building them you will see that they are all places where grid connections are assured.”
KH: Granting of permissions is both coming before grid connection is available or before solid environmental guidelines are in place…more cart before horse.
“I have less problems with your comments on the Tiree array. Personally, I have difficulties in seeing how this can progress as there are severe environmental difficulties with the site. NTA are right to press for night time visualisations (though there is a big difference between a company who has not produced such visualisations yet and one who is refusing to) but in the end I suspect that economic factors will kill this proposal long before environmental considerations will. I am hopeful that we will see a more sensible proposal being developed and eventually built as Argyll could use the jobs that such a major project would bring.”
KH Few points: Daytime Visualizations were promised but only delivered after NTA presented their own visualizations (which even according to SPR’s own consultant were accurate given the available information). Kintyre visualizations came first and caused a stir, and subsequently assisted in rejection of that project. Once the Kintyre Visualisations were on the scene, the Tiree Array visualizations were on a number of occasions “…inadvertently left in the office…” prior and during to consultation days on the islands of Tiree & Coll.
Night time visualizations were promised in a similar fashion but have yet to materialize…an issue we will address…given that SPR have produced daytime visualisations and that the CAA/MCA etc already have guidelines for lighting, surely it cannot be that difficult to produce night time visuals from the daytime visuals. Fact is the SPR daytime visuals in general and when shown to island visitors or any islanders that have not seen them simply drive folk into our camp.
Your comments on jobs in Argyll…fall out of any relationship to the information presented by the developer SPR…jobs would be few, and lossess could be high (on Tiree)…Should a developer decide to place a similar array in the Firth of Lorne or nearer to Oban, it would be fair to assume jobs may be created…so far few if any operational and sustainable jobs of any quantity have been generated outside of the office space of the SG or the commercial energy company officeswithin Scotland…please correct me if you have any figures.
Karl Hughes also commented
RS: So you are saying it is important to be precise ??? The wind power companies are not capable of producing accurate images or visualisations, and they are multi million/billion $ industries….? not one of the SR, not one of them…is it simply that they feel aesthetics are not important…or is it that they realise that aesthetics are so important to the folk who have to live with mega industrial sites…with a surface area many times larger than any coal/nuke or gas powerstations and in areas that are not already industrialised will not be accepted by the majority… so with a bit of jiggery’pokery they LIE ? and the SNP SG not only accept and support but actually advise these behmoth companies TO LIE !!!
On a lighter note: Ref Scotsman “Panda declines cake on first Scottish birthday”…whereas we all know, two Pandas wee eck would want all of the cake…birthday or not. Seems to me humble pie will be on the menu soon enough.
Like the above link RS ????
- Moray windfarm’s potential impact ‘being played down’
The Press and Journal 24 August 2012 ~~
Members of a Moray community group have claimed the firm behind plans for a controversial windfarm are “playing down” its potential impact.
Representatives of Innes Community Council have produced a 15-page document on proposals for the 19-turbine development at Brown Muir, three miles outside Rothes, off the A941 Elgin to Rothes road.
The public have until August 31 to lodge representations to the proposals, which have been tabled by German firm Vento Ludens. A petition against the project has attracted hundreds of signatures. Due to its scale, the plans have been submitted to the Scottish Government rather than Moray Council.
Innes Community Council’s report highlights a raft of issues.
It criticises online documents published as part of the planning application, claiming they “do not give full and proper information on every stage of the development and construction of the site nor the full decommissioning programme”.
It claims the reports of the plans are “of poor quality”.
Community councillors said they were also concerned that Vento Ludens had not explained what would happen to peat being moved from Brown Muir, or given detail on the carbon footprint of construction vehicles.
The report adds: “No mention is made of views from the A96 AberdeenInverness road, especially that part between Fochabers and Elgin.” It also claims thatdiagrams in the planning application are “not accurate”.
“In our opinion the consultants for the developer have used their photography and writing skills to play down how big an impact this development will have on the landscape and skyline of the northern portion of Moray,” the report adds.
Community councillors also voiced concerns about the heavy concentration of wind turbines in Moray and Aberdeenshire, the impact on wildlife, and any permanent scarring which could be left on the hillside after the development.
Dr Jay Butler, of Vento Ludens, said last night:“We have taken careful note of Innes Community Council’s representation to the Scottish Government and will review the comments made in full and provide a detailed response to the ScottishGovernmentas the planning authority for this application.
“In the meantime, we would wish to emphasise the exhaustive process of preparation and pre-application consultation our application has gone through prior to submission and the great care we have taken to ensure the application complies with all relevant guidance and best practice.”
Karl: The spin, greenwash &corruption of the facts is obviously totally in line with the current SG new guidelines…if it wasnt so blatant and desperate it would be laughable.
Just give me one example of an open and transparent foreign wind energy company set on industrialising our wilder places…?
- The rapid spread of wind turbines across Scotland could accelerate, after SNP ministers issued new guidance promising a ‘smoother’ planning process.
A new ‘good practice guide’ has been developed as part of a Scottish Government-led project, containing tips about how to overcome opposition to the schemes.
Ministers say the guidance is designed to ‘make planning applications for wind energy developments run more smoothly’.
It includes a section on ‘optimising social acceptance’, which features advice on how to communicate the benefits of any scheme to the local community.
Campaigners say the document is the latest attempt by the SNP to ‘fast-track’ new wind farms as quickly as it can, to help achieve its green energy targets.
Fears have been raised that a smoother process will benefit developers at the expense of local communities, where there are concerns about the impact that the spread of unsightly wind turbines will have on Scotland’s countryside.
Susan Crosthwaite, chairman of the Communities Against Turbines Scotland pressure group, said: ‘This is a huge concern because they are putting pressure on planning departments and councils to make more areas available and push things through. The whole system is being pushed in the developer’s favour.
‘The Scottish Government is pressurising all the councils about passing more wind turbines and the sad thing is it will push more people into fuel poverty and it’s all for nothing.
‘The Scottish Government put out its renewables route map for consultation earlier this year and we found it to be a wanting document. They are pushing out all these things to try to fast track them but they are not making sure the environmental i mpact work and ground works are done properly and it will lead them into a lot of trouble.’
The guidance has been issued following the Good Practice Wind Project, an EU-funded scheme that was led by the Scottish Government and looked at how to address the barriers to wind energy development in order to meet targets aimed at increasing the amount of renewable energy produced in Scotland.
The Good Practice Guide urges developers to take part in ‘effective, meaningful and early communication’ about new schemes.
It recommends promoting the features of a wind farm that are attractive to tourists, such as a visitor centre, as ‘an original way of contributing to the optimisation of social acceptance’.
The SNP has previously been criticised f or ordering all councils to set aside more land suitable for wind farm developments. Already, up to a third of some council areas have been earmarked for wind turbines.
Scottish Tory energy spokesman Mary Scanlon said: ‘While it is welcome that the Scottish Government wants a planning system which runs smoothly for all, at some stage developers and communities will disagree, and it is not clear how this will be overcome.
‘Other than reiterate its ambitious renewable energy target, the SNP has not said what it will do to ease the fears of communities across the country. Guidance may be useful but the fact is the SNP wants to continue developing wind farms across Scotland, often in the face of strong local opposition.
‘Spinning the facts to make it sound positive is not a solution.’
The SNP Government is desperate for more turbines to help it achieve its target of the equivalent of 100 per cent of Scotland’s electricity needs coming from green energy by 2020. But opponents say it is focusing too much on onshore wind and not enough on offshore wind and other renewable energy types.
Energy Minister Fergus Ewing said: ‘I’m delighted to launch these materials, which aim to make the planning process for wind developments go more smoothly for everyone involved.
‘The Scottish Government wants to see the right developments in the right places and this guidance will help to ensure that – while also making sure there are fewer unsuitable applications and that communities are properly consulted and informed.
‘We have set an ambitious, but achievable, renewable energy target and we are determined to ensure that communities all over Scotland benefit from our renewable energy revolution, which is already bringing jobs and investment.
‘But we are determined that this should be done in a sustainable way, sympathetic to the needs of communities and protecting the environment and our f antastic natural heritage.
‘This project supports our drive to promote engagement with communities from the very beginning of a plan’s development.’
Walk the talk Alex…Walk the talk Fergus
- I think I covered that by with this comment…” if they were in the uk ” …I never said they were in the UK.
The thing is some people are now without jobs. (it doesn’t matter where they are)..just as sad as the folks in Argyll who do not have jobs (heather company)same as the folks that were laid off in Campbell Town after the ongoing saga with turbines there too.
Hopefully the folks from Vesta will find other fabrication work…
Anyway Malcolm you are chasing something thhat is not of relevance to the original article….
As for answering emails….you sent me a screen capture of a comment I made, somwhere further up on this page…no question was asked…if it was (?) please ask me again…given I can get 50 plus a day on my private email and around a 100 or so here at work I answer my emails by priority, I always answer my emails if there is something to answer.
Recent comments by Karl Hughes
- Patron of Northern Lighthouse Board incredulous at Tiree Array proposal
Why do you have to be a Rich Nimby ?….I am quite happy been a nimby without any financial stickers applied.
- Patron of Northern Lighthouse Board incredulous at Tiree Array proposal
I have heard that the main developer…can’t remember if it is Vattna or the likes is looking at now selling its 75% share in the development proposal…
I don’t have the info to hand…but a search around on the web might shine more light on mr Trumps smarmy grin…
- Patron of Northern Lighthouse Board incredulous at Tiree Array proposal
Frankly, I don’t care about Princess Anne’s status in society…that she drives a 4 x4 , Sails, rides horses etc, etc, What I care about is that she has spoke up against inappropriate industrialisation of a beautiful place, the destruction of a least damaged most natural environment…yet another nail in the Argyll Array farce, hopefully this white elephant will soon be consigned to knackers yard.
Some things are worth fighting for…and I am sincerely thankfull that HRH has vented her disaproval for the Argyll aka Tiree Array.
I note with equal glee that The Islay array has also now been put on hold…and that Mr Trump is now also happily laughing his cashmere socks off at the slow collapse of the Aberdeen inshore wind farm proposal…all good news.
- Islay Array offshore wind farm put back to Q4 2014
One has to wonder just how much public time and taxpayers money has already been wasted on these white elephants ?
It is a sad state of affairs that only following continual pressure from NTA that MS and other quangos are willing to enter into any form of the often mentioned “transparent public consultations” process…
- Troubling responses to the death of Margaret Thatcher
What was illegal was the violence…on both sides. policing techniques have changed, some might say for the worse…some might say for the better…I would say that given the amount of instant video now (mobiles/tablets even the plague of CCTV) that this helps combat or at least catch guilty parties…again on both sides. But ask yourself was this really a Thatcher era legacy or simply evolution of policing and rioting…demonstrating.
It’s common place to see police officers with Heckler & Kochs in our streets and airports, Central Station, etc…was this a Thatcher era legacy ? no…again its an evolution of policing for our safety (so we are told)
I hope whoever wishes to express their feelings tomorrow does it peacefully…
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