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Comment posted Was no Scottiish University capable of doing the mathematical model on the impact of minimum pricing of alcohol? by newsroom.

For ‘Scotch Whisky Association’ you can effectivey read ‘Diageo’ – whose buying power in the lobby is unparallelled.

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  • Joan McAlpine’s parliamentary days should be numbered for this latest (and sixth such absence) of a series of varied errors that point to high degree of juvenile irresponsibility and lack of judgment. But she is the First Minister’s aide, is said to have been lunching with him today, so, although this calls Mr Salmond’s judgment into question as well, the betting on her survival has to be off.
  • Of course you do. It is just a surprise that no Scottish University had the required level of expertise in mathematical modelling.

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  • Alan Reid, Jamie McGrigor and the righting of a serious wrong
    Don’t be silly.
    We simply did our bit, as best and as resourcefully as we were able.
    Some highly knowledgeable and angry people clearly thought we were a worthy contributor to the campaign and gave us help – which allowed us to be a much more effective component of a very wide ranging campaign than we would otherwise have been.
    In effect, what they did brought the heart of the actual evidence home to a source emanating from Argyll, where a specific audience would pay attention to it.
    We feel – but cannot know – that these people were the effective heart of the entire campaign and judiciously managed it; and that we were picked up as a strategically useful element.
    But whatever anyone does, it takes politicians and governments to be willing to listen – and, cruciallly, to act.
    We asked politicians relevant to Argyll – Alan Reid And Jamie McGrigor- to get pre-election assurances from their parties that if they were in power they would commit to getting the evidence in the open and the dead pilots’ names cleared. The pre-election period is always the best time for this sort of pressure.
    They got those assurances – and we published at the time that they had been given.
    And Liam Fox delivered for right as well as for justice for Jonathan Tapper and Rick Cook – a month or so over 17 years after they died.
    The standard bearers are those shadowy champions of right somewhere in the defence sector whose persistent campaign support over so long a period of time eventually succeeded,
    Everyone else, at whatever level, was a committed bit player. It is to this group of people that the families of the pilots owe so much of the relief of an unequivocal reprieve for their innocent lost sons.
  • Alan Reid, Jamie McGrigor and the righting of a serious wrong
    It didn’t have to fly through fog at low altitude. It had to get to Fort George and was online for there.
    The navigational controls of the Mk2 Chinook were also known to be unreliable.
    The likelihood is that the pilots were starting the climb to clear the south west of the Mull of Kintyre when FADEC did what FADEC had done on several previous occasions and threw the engine into sudden uncontrollable speed. With no manual override on main or back up systems – that was it for all 29 on board.
    Remember that the pilots had not wanted to fly this aircraft. They did not trust it. The helicopter was seen heading over to the Mull by a yacht before it reached the coastal fog – and was flying normally and at normal speed.
    It is inconceivable that two experienced pilots would deliberately accelerate once they were within heavy fog – and to the speed the aircraft must been flying at when it crashed. The debris told that story in a general sense, for lack of any flight data recorders.
    The ‘game of golf’ story is improbable as these people were from a range of different forces and would not have been likely co-socialisers. It is logical that they were together for an intelligence conference at Fort George; while it is not logical that the MoD flew them there all together in a single aircraft.
    This crash wiped out a major swathe of the UK”s top military and police intelligence service at a time of internal war.
    Even if the ‘game of golf’ yarn were correct, does it mean they deserved to die? What is the point of it?
    The issue is the crash, the cause of the crash and the meticulous assembly and analysis of evidence by civilians over a period of years – by default – in the face of the RAF’s and the MoD’s self-interested determination to keep it cloaked and let the dead pilots take the blame.
  • Alan Reid, Jamie McGrigor and the righting of a serious wrong
    We hold no brief for the MoD.
    They told us a direct lie on an occasion [MACC's community buy out of the former RAF base at Machrihanish] when we had documented evidence to the contrary to hand – from documents of their own we had got under FoI. When we quoted this, they simply went silent and hung up.
    And that’s before we look at their sending soldiers to Iraq and Afghanistan, known to be wholly ineffectively kitted out.
    And that’s before we look at their incompetent, inadequate and extravagant procurement record – including the Nimrod AWACS replacement mess.
    Then there is Police Scotland’s damaging record here – arming wthout notification to government and stopping and searching children when this practice was alleged to have stopped – shaming the Scottish Government.
    Perhaps there are certain types of power that inevitably corrupt, wherever they are?
    It is juvenile to attempt to make this very different issue into part of a convenient binary opposition of a squeaky clean culture of a would-be indy Scotland versus an unrelievedly nasty dirty UK culture – from which the virgin Scotland coincidentally wishes to create apparent reasons to separate.
  • Gallipoli: An Irish voice sings of Australian casualties on a Turkish peninsula in a western war
    And 20 year old Private Robert McLaren of the Black Watch from Kintra on the Ross of Mull was killed in Helmand four weeks after joining the Regiment, fresh out of training.
    The procession of the repatriated military dead in Iraq and Afghanistan through Wootton Basset painfully underlined the enhanced vulnerability of the young in warfare, almost always in the forward positions.
  • Gallipoli: An Irish voice sings of Australian casualties on a Turkish peninsula in a western war
    Thank you for this.

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38 Responses to For ‘Scotch Whisky Association’ you can effectivey read …

  1. I think there is a group at Sheffield who for years have been researching this area. They have expertise in the epidemiology, public health, mathematical modelling and economics (plus perhaps further sub-disciplines) necessary to do this work.

    Likewise, we have lots of expert teams in our Universities that get used by organisations – public and private – in other parts of the UK and abroad. Think aquaculture at Stirling, political polling at Strathclyde (think how often John Curtice is used by media outlets UK-wide) … you get the idea.

    If they went for the people with the right experience and expertise, I have no problem with that.

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  2. Imagine what the Scottish media and politicians would say if a national newspaper criticised the UK government for using a Scottish university to produce a report. Surely the best policy is to use the people with the most experience in a particular field.

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    • Of course you do. It is just a surprise that no Scottish University had the required level of expertise in mathematical modelling.

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  3. I’m all for keeping it local but that’s a wee parochial, newsroom. The study needed to be robust and beyond reproach, so best for it to go to where the research is being done. Horses for courses.

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  4. The very essence of Universities is that they do research – pushing out the boundaries of human knowledge. That wouldn’t happen to the same extent if they all research the same things. So proper expertise is always going to be dispersed.

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  5. I think its a moot point anyway. The whole exercise is useless. The people they want to target with minimum pricing, will not stop drinking – they will just do without other things.

    Everyday people who don’t abuse alchohol will be the ones that stop buying the odd bottle of wine etc now and the industry will be the true bearer of the costs.

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    • I found the “partisan” blog from Morag to be interesting and a suitable counterblast to the approach to this proposed legislation of the Scotch Whisky Association and their friends in high places.Moderate drinkers have little to fear from this.

      Trying to do something about the problems that Scottish society has with alcohol is surely preferable to doing what past administrations have done up till now.

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      • For ‘Scotch Whisky Association’ you can effectivey read ‘Diageo’ – whose buying power in the lobby is unparallelled.

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    • I think you’ll find the ‘partisan blog’ was a response to Crazy’s cynicism, Mairi. No need to be quite so touchy.(Crazy, I would add I defend your right to cynicism although I agree fully with Ken above.) :)

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      • Thank you Alison. I am afraid having spent most of my life in proverty-striken and deprived areas ie the Land of Neds, I have cynicism deeply rooted in my bones.

        However, in this case, I wasn’t really aiming to cynically dismiss the government’s attempt to curb the after-effects of drink – I was just stating the facts as I see them. Knowing lots of people who this whole exercise is aimed at and knowing it will not change a thing for them.

        Except of course, some might decide to switch to drugs when they realise that drugs are cheaper than booze.

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  6. LOL More of your liberty and wealth getting stolen by the Scottish Nazi Party,
    how Kim Jung Fat salmond and his green shirt colleagues have embraced the EU version of Hitler’s plan from 1941 lets punish all the people for the sake of the few, Here is a novel idea lets lower the drinking age say (15) set up 15-18 year old educational pubs have responsible “adults” to monitor the consumption guess what maybe our children would learn to drink sensibly, rather than sitting outside with a group of their peers drinking till the stuff is finished

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    • How offensive can one get.?

      If Keith McMillan believes he is a “sensible adult” then if you don’t mind I will seek out someone who does not call their fellow human beings by such gutter words. Should be ashamed.

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      • Hamish100
        You get the award for being the most sensitive poster LOL now what gutter words have I used? Damn Argyll has got so PC? Maybe we should pass a law banning words that people don’t like (demolition man comes to mind “John Sparta you have been fined 100 credits for using inappropriate language”)
        In the UK as a whole we have 68,835 statute laws not including the UN, EU or HSE enforced statute laws look at the way your police are dressed (safety for them or intimidation) is that a free democratic society?
        Our government is created and operated as a for profit corporations (look it up on D&B business solutions) our police force, courts, NHS, DVLA and any government agency is set up as a profit making company (here is a link D+B http://www.dnb.com/) try looking up Oban court house or Strathclyde police.
        Hamish we have all been stitched up sold on the ticket of “this is for the safety of our country” yet your money and wealth has been stripped and sent abroad for the banker’s enjoyment.
        The Scottish people will let the SNP introduce this law and the price of drink will go up, but guess what the people that drink will continue to drink, it won’t stop underage drinking, it won’t stop binge drinking, but you will be happy because you have a new law
        Why not just make the drunks pay for their hospital treatment, or the police time dealing with their bad behaviour, What a silly idea of trying to make people responsible for their actions

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  7. Bad day somewhere , that’s for sure!

    “Scottish Nazi Party”, “Green shirts”, “EU versions”, “Hitler’s plan from 1941″.

    Where is this fantacist coming from?

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      • Robert; sometimes in politics the people fall asleep and listen to the polimagician crap and guess what when the truth comes out they don’t want to hear it

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        • ‘Falling asleep’ reminds me of that MSP who was brought to book in Holyrood today for three times failing to attend questions in parliament – most recently preferring a very nice lunch indeed that was described in loving detail by the BBC. I wouldn’t be surprised if she’d fallen asleep afterwards, and I think that her parliamentary days might be numbered.

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          • Joan McAlpine’s parliamentary days should be numbered for this latest (and sixth such absence) of a series of varied errors that point to high degree of juvenile irresponsibility and lack of judgment. But she is the First Minister’s aide, is said to have been lunching with him today, so, although this calls Mr Salmond’s judgment into question as well, the betting on her survival has to be off.

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          • For the avoidance of doubt, in the interests of accuracy, and because it’s worth recording for posterity, it was actually the sixth time she’d skipped class; Ms McAlpine started with smoked venison with a Strathdon blue cheese dressing and red wine pear, followed by breast of Scottish chicken with grilled asparagus chorizo, olives and Parma ham. (apparently she didn’t photograph her meal and put it on her blog, and I think the BBC lost a comma). No mention of any drink partaken or pudding course consumed might support the fact that Ms McAlpine was preparing for Health and Wellbeing Question Time. An opposition MSP accused her of being a newspaper columnist, but that smacks of character assassination.

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          • Update, courtesy of today’s Herald: There was indeed drink taken, her meal was ‘washed down with a bottle of Pinot Grigio’. Could explain the lack of photos or blog. The Herald goes on to describe her as ‘a former newspaper executive’ – so she could have brought her lunching habits with her to her new school, or it might just have been a run-of-the mill lunch for the pupils at this particular establishment.

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    • Bad day somewhere , that’s for sure! (a great day actually)
      “Scottish Nazi Party”,(look at the laws these people have put in place) “Green shirts”,( have a look into the treaty of Rio and SNP plan for a one size fits all police force) “EU versions Hitler’s plan from 1941″ (try stop watching east enders for one night and have a look into the history of the EU)
      Where is this fantacist coming from? (Everything you have quoted is correct mate well documented just a case of you researching it.)
      But here Ken if I have it all wrong tell me about Alex Salmond SNP and the cover up of the “Abuse of Hollie Gregg” you know the case that when the mother found out the truth and exposed it she was sent to a mental hospital or the lawyer representing her getting his office and home raided “case papers and some other evidence being taken” tell me when was the last time you heard of someone being locked up for a year on a breach of the peace
      Fantasist yeah that’s me mate so guess that must make you one of the sleeping sheep

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