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- FABULOUS result.
We couldn’t be more delighted – or more respectfully grateful to readers who have gone around some inventive corners to help Pierre Primot in his quest for Taiseer V’s plans.
Thanks to all of you.
- We’re sure our readers will keep thinking about this for you.
And we’re delighted that David Hutchinson was so quick to reply to you.
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We appreciate that it is inconvenient for a light to be shone on doings your party would prefer to keep hidden in shady places from those it asks to vote for it.
That is a dishonourable contract.
As the former Alliance of Independent Councillors [which had nothing at all do with Michael Russell ] knows very well, when it was damaging Argyll and Bute by its conduct during the 2010-11 schools closure wars, we were even more vigilant in keeping them under scrutiny and publishing on their manoeuvres.
We had to be even more vigilant because they were skilled at keeping things under wraps – where the SNP has conducted its acts of political genocide en plein air. All anyone has had to do is draw up a chair.
It should be obvious from our stance in recent weeks that we have no ‘vendetta’ against Councillor Dick Walsh, whom we dealt with arguably more harshly than we have done with Mr Russell.
A central function of our role is to contribute to the holding to account of those elected to serve the people. We do our best to fulfil this fairly – and hard. But we have no vendetta against anyone.
In Mr Russell’s case we simply feel he is a hot air balloon who has imploded over Argyll and done a great deal of harm – profoundly so to his own party, which we used to support. The evidence for our view is in the public domain. - Radically new council group changes all the dynamics: party politics dead in Argyll
The fact is that the SNP councillors in the Argyll and Bute for Change group are not ‘SNP councilors’ in council group terms – as rules forbid membership of more than one group.
So the ‘Russell camp’ is definitely no longer in the council’s SNP group, although presumably they will personally vote in elections according to their preferences.
And IF the other 8 SNP members have actually joined [as opposed to supporting [the Argyll, Lomond and the Isles group, there is no formal SNP group at all in Argyll and Bute Council.
If this has become the situation, it means that the SNP as a party has no right of purview over the behaviour of ANY of its originally elected councillors, none of whom would now be SNP councillors.
You have to say this is fun. It's not politics but it is a laugh. - Argyll and Bute Council: Councillor McCuish leads again
As given in one of the recent updates above - the missing person is Councillor Strong - from the, as of this morning, Argyll and Bute for Change Group. This would leave that group with 18 members but only 17 present to vote - which would not be enough to carry them to administration IF all other 18 councillors voted together.
This has to be likely but in the current situation the finessing is so arcane that one cannot be certain of anything until it's done. - Argyll and Bute Council: Councillor McCuish leads again
The fact is that they were quite prepared to work with the Liberal Democrat and Conservative groups - but were ordered by the the SNP to face expulsion from the party or to leave the administration that was planning just such a coalition.
We do not yet know what the SNP party position is today - although in our 14.15 update above, we have laid out the range of possibilities - but we do know that the 8 SNP Councillors have not resigned from the party. - Argyll and Bute Council: Councillor McCuish leads again
Sincere apologies for the temporary error - now corrected - and thank you for the prompt.
We are doing our level best - live - to get changing situations out to people as fast and as best as we can.
When we inevitably have the odd muddle [like cloning Mary Jean Devon], it is corrected very quickly.
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David Hutchinson, if there is someone who’s where you would get plans it will be David, he has a outstanding knowledge of almost every boat that came out the yard and will be a great help to you restoring it.
Enjoy the project great to see historic boats being cared for.
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Many thanks for this very helpful advice. We have drawn M Primot’s attention to it.
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Thank you very much.
I sent an Email, I’m waiting for the answer impatiently…
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The answer just arrived. Unfortunately David Hutchinson has no plan concerning Fair Judgment III ex Taiseer V.
I keep my quest.
Many thanks
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We’re sure our readers will keep thinking about this for you.
And we’re delighted that David Hutchinson was so quick to reply to you.
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Might want to try contacting Toward Sailing Club. There are a few members of the Robertson family there that may be able to point you in the right direction.
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Many thanks for the advice. I’ll contact the Club.
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If Taiseer V was built to Lloyds 100A1 (which is likely, but I don’t have my old copy of the Lloyds Register with me to check)(or even a lesser Lloyds Classification) then plans will have had to be submitted to Lloyds who would have overseen the construction.
It is very likely these plans are still held by Lloyds.
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I’ll contact Lloyd’s Office. Thank You
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I was suffering in the rain around Tower Hill, lunch time today, and decided to pop into Lloyds Register to have a look in the library, and get out of the wet.
Yes Taiseer V/Fair Judgment III was registered +100A1 at Lloyds, until the suvey due in May 1978 was missed.
Unfortunately that ends the goods news. Lloyds say that they don’t have a copy of the plans….they were very helpful.
Fair Judgement III was owned for a number of years by Peter Carter-Ruck, a well known lawyer of his day. Unfortunately he died in 2003, so that trail is cold.
The last registered owner in Lloyds was Pitcher & Scott, Civil Engineers. They were registered in Scotland but appear to have been dissolved.
End of trail, though I’ll ask my son, who works in the industry, whether he has any ideas.
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You are very helpful
Many thanks
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Latest in the search, from my son
“It would appear that the unofficial C&N archivist is a chap called Jeremy Lines, though I believe from one contact that the drawings are in Greenwich. I am awaiting more info.
jeremy@linesmail.net
Or Google ; Jeremy Lines C&N archivist”
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Great!!!!
I’ll contact him
Thanks a lot.
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Jeremy Lines should be a good source of information, he was on the C&N design staff. The plans may be in the National Maritime Museum at Greenwich, but other places to try are the Mitchell Library in Glasgow, one of the main archives in West Scotland, and the National Library of Scotland in Edinburgh. Carter-Ruck’s firm is still in existence in London, you could try them as well.
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Thank you for the advice
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Thanks a lot everybody, you’ve been very helpful.
The set of plans is in the National Maritime Museum.
Thank you again
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FABULOUS result.
We couldn’t be more delighted – or more respectfully grateful to readers who have gone around some inventive corners to help Pierre Primot in his quest for Taiseer V’s plans.
Thanks to all of you.
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Received the following from Pierre Primot
“Here it is.
The available plans in the National Maritime Museum arrived at home.
They’ll be helpful during the restoration.
Thank you again for your help”
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