I am not a fan of any system …

Comment posted Ewan Kennedy on the Single Transferable Vote by Mairi.

I am not a fan of any system that is not intelligible to your typical voter. And this one is not. But we’re stuck with it for a while, is my guess.
For a fantastic explanation you should check out the blog of “Lallands Peat Worrier”. He has produced a really helpful analysis of the Glasgow seats – and this link is an example. The charts are so helpful, and his commentary, albeit from an SNP perspective, interesting.

http://lallandspeatworrier.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/craigton-govan-pollokshields-vol-ii-of.html

He also provided a quasi-academic explanation of the whole STV system prior to the elections here: http://lallandspeatworrier.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/rank-local-election-wonkery-glasgow.html
Enjoy!

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3 Responses to I am not a fan of any system …

  1. I am not convinced that this method returns a result a lot more representative of the voters intention than a process in which the electors merely chose three candidates.

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    • Its a b###dy mess. Far too complicated for an important event like local(binding) elections. In this case Donald Melville surely suffered and just seems wrong, and this would doubtless be replicated the length and bredth of the country.
      Time to get back to individual councillors for each ward as more folk standing these days due to reasonable salary and expenses. For democracy to be seen to be done it must be understood, and currently its far from that.
      I daresay no particular party suffered more than others but thats not to exonerate this daft system.
      thanks for your explanation mind you Ewan.

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  2. I am not a fan of any system that is not intelligible to your typical voter. And this one is not. But we’re stuck with it for a while, is my guess.
    For a fantastic explanation you should check out the blog of “Lallands Peat Worrier”. He has produced a really helpful analysis of the Glasgow seats – and this link is an example. The charts are so helpful, and his commentary, albeit from an SNP perspective, interesting.
    http://lallandspeatworrier.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/craigton-govan-pollokshields-vol-ii-of.html
    He also provided a quasi-academic explanation of the whole STV system prior to the elections here: http://lallandspeatworrier.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/rank-local-election-wonkery-glasgow.html
    Enjoy!

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