Same source again – URTV: The Council Planning Department …

Comment posted Waitrose has £325k on table for Tuesday planning hearing – and opposition rolls in by Crazy She-Bat.

Same source again – URTV:

The Council Planning Department and Waitrose have both spoken. The Planning Department say that the effects on the town centre could have been grossly underestimated by Waitrose’s retail impact survey and that they are maintaining that they recommend refusal of the application.

Waitrose still believe that the effects on the town centre will be negligible and they can mitigate them. Waitrose spokesperson, Martin Gorman, received a big round of applause for saying Helensburgh is crying out for a good quality food store.

Crazy She-Bat also commented

  • From URTV again:

    ‎30 pro Waitrose representatives have spoken, including Councillor Vivien Dance and Community Councilman Nigel Harman. Now it’s over to the objectors.

  • Copied from URTV’s Facebook page:

    Final count is 693 letters of support to the council for Waitrose and 137 letters against, including a petition. There were also 7 miscellaneous letters.

  • Apparently, Victoria Halls is currently packed to capacity with many people waiting outside as well to hear the verdict.
  • I’d like to know PBP if this is your attitude towards For Argyll? or to Argyll itself?

Recent comments by Crazy She-Bat

  • Alan Reid visit supports Machrihanish Airbase campaign for United Kingdom Spaceport
    Well, if anyone should know about this stuff, it’s Argyll’s number one space cadet, Alan Reid.

    He needs to stop sniffing the jet fuel.

    There have been some crazy claims over the past couple of weeks, but this one takes the biscuit.

  • Karl Hughes: What part would an Independent Scotland be able to play in the global war against IS?
    Oban Worthy, I did not say I want the people who work at Faslane out of a job – don’t twist my words to suit your own purposes.

    There would need to be other options explored to counteract the loss of the base to the area.

    Perhaps this would be an option: http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/trident-removal-may-allow-oil-and-gas-exploration-1-3241185

    Losing the base would not be the end of the world and certainly not the end of Argyll & Bute – and I love a quiet day in Luss. Disnae happen very often.

  • Karl Hughes: What part would an Independent Scotland be able to play in the global war against IS?
    Karl, your article raises a lot of questions about our future and I can’t help wondering how much the government in Westminster has thought ahead and designed the Armed Forces into what they are now, so that it certainly gives the impression that Scotland would be defenceless as an Independent country.

    For me, I don’t want nuclear missiles in my country – sorry, but that’s my view. I would rather the people employed at Faslane were employed in different industries. I don’t see why an Independent Scotland can’t have it’s own Armed Forces and have it’s own seat at the NATO table. I think we should stand united with the rest of the free world against terrorists and tyrants and diplomacy should always be the first line of attack and defence. However, dealing with terrorists has no easy answer as I am sure you know and its a problem all countries face equally regardless of size and sovereignty and as such, Scotland should play its part in any action taken against terrorism.

    Should we achieve Independence, there are a daunting number of organisational issues that will need sorted out including our Armed Forces – it may be a logistical nightmare, but it is attainable. I keep saying, Independence brings us options.

    Finally, in light of the horrible news about David Haines, please stay safe out there.

  • Sillars no authority but authentic voice of ‘Yes’ culture of intimidation and retribution
    Me thinks the swear box at No.10 might be overflowing at the moment.

    I have to say, I don’t see the big deal in Cameron saying “effing”. The guy has had a stressful week and he is human.

  • Andrew Argyle: Scots turkeys vote for Christmas
    Correct me if I am wrong, but this article is by Andrew Argyle – not Lynda Henderson, so Willie, your attack is not only bigoted, idiotic, rubbish but also aimed at the wrong person.

    I may not have agreed with Lynda on everything recently, or with many of the comments and articles on For Argyll, but a personal attack on her is completely out of order.

    I don’t care what side of the great divide you fall on, a Scotland independent or not has no place for morons like you.

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37 Responses to Same source again – URTV: The Council Planning Department …

  1. Helensburgh has rejected a supermarket on the pier three times in the past decade. How many more times do you need to hear it?

    That being the case, the rest of your argument falls. I am beginning to think we need a For Helensburgh website, leaving you to concentrate on the old Argyll area where you are clearly better informed.

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    • It is about For Argyll itself, which in many respects I admire but which does not seem to have much of a clue about Helensburgh.

      This morning at the hearing it was made clear, through various surveys, that thousands were in favour of Waitrose at Colgrain, and that there was a roughly 55-45 split against a pier supermarket.

      Yet For Argyll has consistently claimed the opposite in both cases.

      Today there is a huge attendance of Waitrose supporters and, so far, six objectors have put their heads above the parapet.

      Interestingly, the only person booed this morning was the representative of Helensburgh Retailers Association.

      If I was the editor of For Argyll, at this point I would be questioning the quality of the reporting.

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  2. For Argyll don’t seem to understand my area either. Folk here are still waiting to learn the membership make up of the Easdale Island charity, Eilean Eisdeal, and how the money was spent from the Scottish Gas Green Streets award. For Argyll claimed that this information should be in the public domain – so where is it? We seem to have been forgotten or FA aren’t interested in persuing this further. Perhaps they’re not bothered about the rights of folk here, or is it too political?

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    • Lowry – as you must know, we are a very small team with a huge amount of work to do and we cannot keep absolutely on top of everything.

      We haven’t forgotten about this matter and we will be pursuing it.

      You gave us a smile at the suggestion that this – or anything – might be ‘too political’ for us. Hardly our MO.

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  3. Copied from URTV’s Facebook page:

    Final count is 693 letters of support to the council for Waitrose and 137 letters against, including a petition. There were also 7 miscellaneous letters.

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  4. Same source again – URTV:

    The Council Planning Department and Waitrose have both spoken. The Planning Department say that the effects on the town centre could have been grossly underestimated by Waitrose’s retail impact survey and that they are maintaining that they recommend refusal of the application.

    Waitrose still believe that the effects on the town centre will be negligible and they can mitigate them. Waitrose spokesperson, Martin Gorman, received a big round of applause for saying Helensburgh is crying out for a good quality food store.

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  5. I could be wrong. But I think they made an exception for Henry Bros at Colgrain, which was greenbelt outwith the local development plan. That seemed strange at the time. Probably a large brown envelope involved there.

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  6. From URTV again:

    ‎30 pro Waitrose representatives have spoken, including Councillor Vivien Dance and Community Councilman Nigel Harman. Now it’s over to the objectors.

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  7. We cope with bin collections once a week (or even fortnightly) so how about fancy supermarket visits once a week? – a Waitrose on a seagoing barge, serving the west coast – say from Helensburgh to Fort William, stopping off at Dunoon, Rothesay, Campbeltown, Oban, Fort William – and maybe Tobermory and Port Ellen alternate weeks. Just dreaming. At Helensburgh it would tie up at the pier, of course. The supermarket aisles would be cushioned with giant airbags to keep everything shipshape on passage, and maybe even giant gimbals would be effective.

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  8. Bruce Marshall has stated that he will support the application if a competent amendment can be brought forward. David Kinniburgh has stated that he will be doing the same. Robin Currie has stated that he hopes the application will be approved but the mitigation is insufficient. He is looking for an additional £420k in mitigation for various items. Neil McKay also looking to support it if an amendment can be put together but needs more mitigation.

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  9. Alex McNaughton has also confirmed his support along with Gordon Chalmers. It is now clear that it will be approved if a competent motion / amendment can be put together.
    Cllr McAlister has also indicated support along with Cllr Devon, Cllr McMillan and Cllr McQueen.

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  11. A long hot day, but full marks to the Helensburgh area public for their active participation.

    The right result too, so long as Waitrose are not put off by the vastly increased ‘mitigation payment’.

    On a wider stage, Government should be looking at how such payments, which are pure and simple bribery, could be regulated.

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    • I thought ‘mitigation’ in the context of a supermarket proposal meant meeting the cost of any extra roadworks, pedestrian crossings etc made necessary by the extra traffic generated by the development. I’d like to know if some councillors took a more elastic view of the meaning of the word.

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  12. I’m sure they won’t be put off by the mitigation payment. In all probability there will be negotiations over the purchase price between drum & waitrose. The application was made under two names – Waitrose & Wandering Wild (aka drum). It is highly likely that there is an agreement between drum and waitrose, where waitrose purchase the land subject to planning approval. This allows them to attach caveats re planning gain / mitigation payments. It will probably be drum who take a hit on the price. They’ll be aware that without planning approval their land is worthless. I actually think planning gain is a good thing. Just as long as it reaches the intended parties and not the council coffers, which sadly often happens.

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  13. I’d like to see the money used to directly improve the retailers units / frontages. I’ve attached a link to the merchant city initiative below, which completely transformed that area.
    http://glasgowmerchantcity.net/regeneration.html
    I’m pleased Waitrose got their approval. Had Waitrose been rejected, then all that would have happened is a continuation of the current decline of the town centre. That decline is due to the apathy of a lot of shop keepers. Either the shopkeepers take this opportunity to get their fair share of mitigation money to improve the service that they provide. Or they sell up and allow the next generation of shopkeepers to take over. I’m sure like me, the majority of Helensburgh shoppers do not want to soley shop in Waitrose. To me the Waitrose development has always been about a high end outlet recognising the potential and wanting to invest in our town, which will hopefully be a catalyst for further investment in the town centre.

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