Comment posted Current council coalition seeks to impose future political management by Integrity? Not in the Condemall.
Simon is wrong. Ken Smith is standing for the SNP in the Lomond North ward.
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- ARSN aren’t a political group – why would we have an opinion on CSB’s voting choices?
- James is right. This was just petty and a waste of everyone’s time. The paper should have never been submitted as an agenda item.
What the Council should have been doing (as others have) is pulling together some different models of governance delivery and then presenting these options to the administration (whatever its make up) after the election.
This is the stuff of school playgrounds.
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- First Minister’s choice not to condemn mob behaviour proves Farage point
Not sure if I agree with putting fascism and Islam on the same shelf (as it were).
However interestingly, and a little ironically, if there is a massively generalised criticism of the Islamic faith it is its traditional resistance/opposition to multiculturalism – a criticism that could be made of UKIP with little difficulty. - Walsh to lead all but Lib Dems, Conservatives and George Freeman
‘more honest and upfront’Really?
- First Minister’s choice not to condemn mob behaviour proves Farage point
On the issue of accusing people of being fascists I, in a rare moment, agree with Malcolm due to the people in history who have, through their actions, defined the term (although its proper definition has doens’t necessarily mean you need to be a mass murderer).It is a little bit of double standards though because in another post you refer to Farage as ‘good old’ yet he descibed the protesters as ‘fascist thugs.’ So an offensive remark by him in your eyes Malcolm?
- First Minister’s choice not to condemn mob behaviour proves Farage point
Using violence against it is obviously contradictory however it is often the action of very last resort. It is a good line by Arden although worth putting it in the context of the play it comes from which focuses on military deserters who are sickened by a war they are being forced to be a part of. Apartheid and the America civil rights movement is a very different context where years of suppression, violence, and some of the most heinous acts were committed on people for no other reason than bitter inbred prejudice. - First Minister’s choice not to condemn mob behaviour proves Farage point
The NIMBY, of all political persuasion, certainly isn’t a rare bird however their existence in place A, or of persuasion B, doesn’t detract from criticism of specific examples of it.I agree it is unsafe to use fringe views to represent a whole group and you make a fair point about the need for clarity in the overall ‘cause’. For me though, UKIP cause it not clear and I don’t see these issues as the views of a minority within the group, or a collection of rogue members.
Your point about Alex Salmond’s potential reaction to similar treatment of one of his own party (or himself) is valid and is a point I made in an earlier post. At the risk of repeating myself (well not a risk as I am doing it!) I believe the best course of action would have been for him to openly state that he didn’t approve of the actions of the crowd and, in the same statement, making it clear that the group was not representing either the SNP or the Scottish independence movement.I am sure he, as any of us would, be shaken by such an experience. The fact that there was no actual physical violence doesn’t for a second mean anger/abuse at such close proximity is not hugely intimidating and a politician, irrespective of opinion, should be allowed to perform their role without being out in a position where they are fearful for their safety. Tony Blair would, almost definitely, face a similar reaction in certain places, as would a number of other politicians over the years. Like you I would argue that this is not the best way to express discontent. Only in a very small number of occasions would I condone taking protest to the point of physical intimidation and I reserve that to some of the most significant ‘upheavals’ in modern times (examples being the fight against apartheid and the civil rights movement in the US) – even then there would be a line I, personally, couldn’t step over.
Drifting away from the point a little (although I must say it is refreshing to be debating something other than Scottish Independence or A&B Council!). My overall point is that I believe UKIP to be a party with an inherent bigotry at the core of it and this is clearly evidenced by the actions, statements, and affiliations of too many of its members for it to be brushed off as a the actions of a fringe minority. If the same number of statements (of the same nature) had been made by members of any of the mainstream parties (on both sides of the border) then they would face a far bigger backlash from the media and opposition supporters despite the actual percentage representation being far lower.
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I smell blood…
WONDERFUL!!!
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Crazy She-Vampire-Bat!
Last days in the bunker moving the non-existent divisions around. Only four days now until the good guys tanks are parked on the castle lawn. I wonder if they will find any interesting skeletons in the ruins of the doomed Administration?
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Not so much a question of “if” Dougie, more a question of “how many” hehehe
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Reminds me of ‘the Grand Old Duke of York’ – an army that’s marched up a hill can get marched down again – particularly if the Grand Old Duke of York is no longer in command of the troops.
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I’m not familiar enough with some of the procedural stuff relating to this story – how can the current Administration tie the hands of the new one? If they vote now to ‘recommend’ the retention of the Executive Committee, can a new ruling group not simply ignore the recommendation after the election, if they want to?
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So, the Council pass a motion recommending (ie not binding) a structure to the incoming council and Newsie spins it “which tries to imposes the status quo ” and starts foaming at the mooth again.
There is no story.
Settle down dears – still 3 days to go….
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So why d’you think Dick Walsh pushed through his amendment spiking what seems to a very rational proposal, Simon?
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They might have been better employed checking on the lifeboats.
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Tim !!! I’ve told you before – stop thinking for yourself!!!
Jist rage against the cooncil!!!
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Robert, given that “the Executive had set up [the Short Life Working Group]* to review the matter of political management arrangements” it seems only reasonable that the Council comes to a decision on the matter before it is dissolved.
An incoming Council of whatever hue need of course take no notice of the recommendation – regardless of the nonsense spin Newsie tries to put on it. But by ensuring the Council voted on it Cllr Walsh was ensuring also that his admistration concluded on a bit of business that it had set up.
Everything else about this story is just so much froth and some who should know better are getting their knickers in a twist over nothing at all other than Newsie’s over-wrought and cooncil-conspiracy-ridden imagination..
Hope that helps
* my brackets
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Simon, I find myself in the odd position of thanking you for answering my question. I will try not to let it happen again
Are you feeling nervous about the future?
Have a nice evening!
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Tim, why would I be nervous mate? I’m not employed by the Council, I’m not a councillor, not standing for election nor a member of a political party. What have I got to be nervous about?
It’s those who are making fairly rash predictions and stupid promises that are nervous and they might yet end up with egg on their faces. And post-election I guarantee Neurotic Newsie will either a) be praising the electorate for their good sense or b)dammning them for their stupidity….
I will have a good evening thanks Tim – you too
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The motion to continue meets all of Simon’s points about concluding a piece of business. So why should Cllr Walsh and his Coalition feel any amendment necessary.
It was just infantile politics for the Trinity knew that no opposition member could recommend the proposals to any future administration.
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James is right. This was just petty and a waste of everyone’s time. The paper should have never been submitted as an agenda item.
What the Council should have been doing (as others have) is pulling together some different models of governance delivery and then presenting these options to the administration (whatever its make up) after the election.
This is the stuff of school playgrounds.
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“Tim, why would I be nervous mate? I’m not employed by the Council, I’m not a councillor, not standing for election nor a member of a political party.” – Simon
Well if thats the case, bearing in mind all the inside info you have, begs me to ask, are you Sally bin Loudon’s husband then?
I asked before and now I hope you have had a chance to read through the snash from the candidates, so who are you voting for?
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James, ‘infantile’ is being unable to muster enough votes to win a vote and then whining about it afterwards.
Have you thought that mibbie Tricky did it – just because he could??
CSB – don’t be a silly-crazy – no. As to who I shall vote for – well having read various leaflets, party pamplets (including absolute tripe from one candidate) and listend bored out my skull to a snp advocate – I shall be voting Independent.
And you??
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Hmmmm, not Sally’s husband… are you actually a bloke? Stranger things have happened lol
Postal vote already away, I voted for:
1. An INDEPENDENT Independent
2. An INDEPENDENT Independent
3, 4, 5, 6 – can’t remember the exact order
7. Danny Kelly
Anyone but Danny
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If the ‘Gay girl in Damascus’ blogger was a ‘mature’ American post-graduate student in Edinburgh, ‘Simon’ could be just about anything.
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But probably not a gay female, American post graduate student in Damascus. For starters “Simon” is rarely mature.
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Gawd you lot are obesssed. Robert you’ve cracked the Damascus gay female one before and trust me it wasn’t near funny the first time either.
“doc” predicatable as ever – trying to make a funny – but obviously that operation he had was a humour by-pass.
Crazy-living up to her name as per…
Still, ah know you’re all excited! Not long to go now – but calm down dears (honestly it’s just like talking to the kids before Christmas….
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csb. that’s brilliant. get the snp to save your school then ignore them at the election. lol!
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Coracle – maybe there is no SNP candidate in Crazy’s area…..
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snp clainm at least one candidate in each ward – are they telling porky pies.
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Simon is wrong. Ken Smith is standing for the SNP in the Lomond North ward.
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Got a lovely leaflet through from Ken Smith last night. He might be third on my list (can’t remember).
Coracle – I’ve said it again and again – I have no political affiliation and I think it was a little more than just the SNP that saved the school
For the record, there is one person standing in Lomond North who deserves my vote more than anyone and thats the one that stood up and spoke out against the closures on the 25th of November 2010 and was unwaivering in his support of Luss Primary School throughout that horrific and tumultous time – GEORGE FREEMAN.
I want to vote for someone who has principles, no matter what the personal cost and who will dogmatically represent the views of the people he represents.
George is my No.1 purely on the commitment he showed to Luss and its primary school.
I think he flippin well deserves it.
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Danny Kelly – 7
Anyone But Danny 2012
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well played csb and arsn – that dumb snp no longer required! if i remember right the snp gave up power to save your school – a third place vote is perfect. what do rest of arsn say about this?
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ARSN aren’t a political group – why would we have an opinion on CSB’s voting choices?
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Yes, I’m an ARSN member – which is a group of parents and community members from across Argyll that have gotten together over a common purpose.
We all have different political views and backgrounds (mine as I have stated on here before was Labour for many years).
The above is my personal view on the candidates in my area and nothing to do with ARSN Coracle, but congrats on the nice try at stirring it.
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Integrity – oh c’mon off it – “ARSN aren’t a political group”.
Of course they are. They might not be a political party but their actions are those of a political group. Gawd’s sake even the advert top right of the For Argyll page says ‘Vote ARSN’!!
Duh!!!!
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Political yes but with a small “p”. What Integrity of course meant was that ARSN is not a party political group. I think the correct designation is that we are a pressure group (and seemingly quite good at pressure too!).
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And I take it from your response you haven’t followed that link Simon?
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Crazy – what link??
And “doc” you doing mind reading as well now??? “What Integrity of course meant…. “
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Integrity and I are twins separated at birth and joined by a symbiotic mental link powered by entangled particles.
Or perhaps it was just obvious.
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Might I suggest that once the election is over Forargyll arranges a Forargyll Lunch for all its contributors this past year (at amodest charge)?
It could be a great bun fight!
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I’d come (and would indeed only charge a modest amount)! “Simon” would need to wear a brown paper bag though (or perhaps more than one…).
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Now that’s a thought. It might have to be a masked ball or, more modestly, a hoodie do.
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BUN FIGHT!!!! Yes yes yes! Simon, you can wear a disguise!
Simon, ARSN’s lovely advert top right, click on it. Should take you to the list.
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You would still recognise him as he would need to come as Hydra.
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