…..so there is somewhere dearer than the Tarbert …

Comment posted Cameron on the back foot on independence referendum choices by jake.

…..so there is somewhere dearer than the Tarbert Co-oP. I live and learn.

Recent comments by jake

  • The currency issue: it’s not bullying and there are serious advantages
    Fiscal Commission have clarified they stand by their advice to Scottish Government and point out that the response from the Chancellor and others is pre-referendum politics and not unexpected.


    Actually what I find interesting is the Treasury memo to the Chancellor; the advice that a currency union wouldn’t work and couldn’t be recommended was entirely based on the assumption that there was going to be political disagreements which wouldn’t be resolved prereferendum. Looks like they were well briefed on this, either that or their powers of prediction weren’t that dissimilar to those of the Fiscal Commission.

  • Scotland to hand renewable subsidy controls to Westminster, independent or not
    It’s not just about keeping the monarchy and the £…..domestic appliances are still going to run on 240volts and we’ll still be driving on the left……you’re so right Newsroom, what’s independent about this?
  • ‘Pleb’ is not a word a police officer would come up with as a plant
    well no actually. Problem is just swearing at the english polis isn’t enough. See for example Harvey v DPP (2011) http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/daniel-harvey-v-dpp.pdf

    ….there would also need to be element of the officer ( or by standers) feeling threatened, alarmed or distressed etc.

    One might speculate that the testimony of a tourist accompanying a young child to that effect would assist in securing a prosecution….

  • ‘Pleb’ is not a word a police officer would come up with as a plant
    Newsie: does your notion that the word “pleb” is not in common usage extent to the residents of Ruislip where the so called 3rd police officer( actually a member of the elite royal and diplomatic squad) lived?
    The demographics of the area suggest to me that the distinction between the plebian and patrician classes would be intuitively understood by them.


  • Damaging chauvinism from Scotland’s senior writer
    They would do well to read what Alasdair Gray actually wrote* rather than rely upon Jenny Hjul’s selective quotes, misrepresentation and smear by association.
    If Ms Hjul had any journalistic integrity she would have qualified her comments about press reports about racist incidents against English people by pointing out not just the error in reasoning that they contained, but that supported by later published evidence they were disputed and unfounded ( this was reported in The Times the day before her article appeared).
    But your point is well made HB, there has been damage done to business’s and reputations but in this instance Ms Hjul’s scribblings in the national press are more to blame than a nuanced essay by an acclaimed author in a previously obscure anthology. Interestingly the editor of the collected works, Scott Hames anticipated the likes of Hjul and others when he said “The Unstated collection assumes in advance ‘that the views of individual writers [will] be managed, “storied”, inflated and filtered in various distorting ways’ during the independence debate, on both sides of the argument. Some things are inevitable.”

    * for those who might care to read Settlers and Colonists for themselves it’s now here (and free)

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15 Responses to …..so there is somewhere dearer than the Tarbert …

  1. Can you please reformat the text if this article. It’s one huge paragraph which does nothing to show case it’s contents.


    Incidentally thought the FM was thrown onto the political back foot this week. Sandwiched between Donald trumps dislike of windmill, the devo max card and his inability to answer such basic questions as taxation, defence and the oil fund.

    Incidentally which Norway has achieved through some of the highest taxation levels in the world. Welcome to the democratic socialist world – £8 for a beer.

    I welcome informed comment.

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    • If your man in Oslo is really there he cannot fail to be aware that although Norwegians live in a country with a very high cost of living they also enjoy a very high standard of living and, generally speaking, are content with their lot. The gap between rich and poor is far less extreme than in the UK and the standard of social and medical services is well in advance of anything that we may aspire to. Roads,ferries and other transport infrastructure-bridges and tunnels – is of a very high standard although they have much more severe weather patterns and terrain to contend with.They manage to protect their fishing and rural communities and have an adequate but not excessive defence budget.
      Alcohol is taxed highly as a social priority and drunkeness is rarely encountered.If the price of beer is really your priority perhaps you would not like it!

      Incidentally, with their careful management of their Oil Fund the Norwegians have a fair bit of money in the bank for rainy days as well.

      They certainly have fewer windfarms than neighbouring Sweden and Denmark but their hydro electric capacity is so well exploited that they are able to export most of their North Sea Gas to others, including the UK.

      The crucial factor is, however, that Norway – a small nation of around 5 million people on the edge of Europe is independent and recently celebrated 100 years of self determination.

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  2. “Can you please reformat the text if this article. It’s one huge paragraph which does nothing to show case it’s contents.

    Thank you”


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  3. Basically it looks as if ,yet again,a Tory has tried that old jam tomorrow trick.

    It worked in 1979 but more fool us if we believe it now.

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  5. Indeed the cost of living is exceptionally high. It cost me 160 nok the other night for 8 litres of milk and a loaf of bread. In today’s exchange rates that about £18!!!!!

    Healthcare child care and education for children is second to none, The Norwegian government run protectionist policies for it’s agricultural industries. Remember the butter shortage in Oslo at Christmas. In short high taxation allows the Norwegians to develop and maintain their oil fund. If an independent Scotland were to develop it’s own oil fund then the additional £1 billion per year saved would have to be raised in tax.

    Incidentally alchol is exceptional highly priced that’s why Norwegians tend to have forspiel before they go outie get tanked up at home then go out and finish up. Public drunkenness is not that socially unacceptable in fact a saturady night in Oslo is not too different to a saturadays night in Aberdeen or Glasgow.

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    • I thought the Huff Post had pretentions to credibility? – and it has offers from Waitrose (dirt cheap by Nog standards) in pride of place, so – recommending this stuff to us – you’d better be careful if you venture anywhere near the centre of Helensburgh.

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  6. I’ll be back in Helensburgh middle of March

    Recommend I did nothing of the sort though I must admit the close trade relations with china are a boon for Scottish seafood.

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