You need to look at the 1992 Maritime …

Comment posted Business interest in Kintyre on government Ferries Review new route proposal by ferryman.

You need to look at the 1992 Maritime Cabotage Regulation. According to the wording of Article 4(1) of the Regulation, public service links have to serve routes to, from and between islands. Long estuaries or fjords which lead to a detour of about 100 km by road may be treated as islands for the purposes of this section as they may cause a similar problem by isolating conurbations from each other. The ratio between the distance around the estuary and the distance across should be around 10 or greater

So if your road detour is 10 times the sea crossing you can be treated as if you were an island. Beware the weasel words in the Ferry Service Review though. “Lifeline” services is a meaningless term, it is not defined in the review and will just allow officials to apply their own critera. Make sure your sea link is defined as a public service link which does have a defined meaning.

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  • So newsroom you will be asking for RET for Cowal as well?

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    As usual newsroom bends things by quoting the MVA report as saying the vehicle service ‘could be feasible’.

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    I am not surprised that Serco are interested in what is Scotland’s busiest vehicle ferry route particularly when the competition turns such a massive profit margin from poorly located ports.

    If Serco have wider ambitions for ferries in Scotland, as it seems they do, then Dunoon Gourock would make sense.

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    Newsroom says that Dunoon Gourock is “not a lifeline service”.

    I think Dunoon Gourock is an essential lifeline service but obviously Soapbox aka Newsroom does not.

    So where is the definition of “lifeline” so that we can decide who is correct?

    The answer is that there is no definition – Transport Scotland shall decide, route by route, to whom that applies.

    As to contractual terms, look at Dunoon Gourock, anybody can run anything there is absolutely no contractual need for the service to be reliable. So if your route is goung to be tendered in this way you are totally unprotected.

    Of course Dunoon Gourock is only a piddling little route – well no, according to the Scottish Government it is the most important Scottish route for vehicle transport and significant even on European terms, but that of course is not enough to make it lifeline in Newsroom’s eyes.

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    Read the report.

    The taxpayer and the people of Dunoon/Cowal can have a passenger only service and pay a subsidy for it.

    Alternatively they can pay the same subsidy and get a passenger and vehicle service.

    Of course if they choose the vehicle service then the subsidy is paid back via berthing fees both to the Scottish Government and Argyll and Bute Council – in other words to the public purse it is for practical purposes free (which the passenger only service is not). Not only that but the operator of the vehicle service makes a larger profit.

    All of which in a Scottish Government produced report meets all EC requirements.

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5 Responses to You need to look at the 1992 Maritime …

  1. Councillor Semple’s comment – ‘we are virtually an island here’ deserves to be properly digested by the government. At present there seems to be a big gap between the way in which – in a supposedly ‘joined up’ country (Scotland?) – the transport links to islands are treated, compared with those to the Kintyre peninsula. Government investment in promoting employment and viable communities is put at risk by lack of parallel investment in promoting transport links.
    Official moves to invest in making the Rest & Be Thankful more reliable are very welcome, but shouldn’t be seen as the ‘final solution’ – Campbeltown’s prosperity arose largely from good sea links, and they need reviving as a basic element in achieving what really is a ‘joined up country’.

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  2. From Councillor Donald Kelly, Argyll First

    In my opinion we should still be lobbying for a direct link from Campbeltown to the Ayrshire coast.

    For any service to be viable it must run at least 5 days per week.

    Given the fact that Kintyre is referred to as ‘Scotland’s only mainland Island’ the case should be made for RET to apply to this route.

    If any service is to be successful, it requires to be fast, regular and cost effective.

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  3. You need to look at the 1992 Maritime Cabotage Regulation. According to the wording of Article 4(1) of the Regulation, public service links have to serve routes to, from and between islands. Long estuaries or fjords which lead to a detour of about 100 km by road may be treated as islands for the purposes of this section as they may cause a similar problem by isolating conurbations from each other. The ratio between the distance around the estuary and the distance across should be around 10 or greater

    So if your road detour is 10 times the sea crossing you can be treated as if you were an island. Beware the weasel words in the Ferry Service Review though. “Lifeline” services is a meaningless term, it is not defined in the review and will just allow officials to apply their own critera. Make sure your sea link is defined as a public service link which does have a defined meaning.

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