Comment posted Muirfield: a victory for right by Kevin Barthorpe.
It may have taken a long time to get this result, but it just goes to show patience can pay off. But that aside it has to be said that the work put in by Ewan to refute all that was being said by Angus Council has been long & sometimes frustrating. If they had listened at the beginning of this process it would never have arrived at this stage, not only that if they had listened they could have used the time it has taken to more effective use. Well done to everyone concerned, lets hope now this will see all schools in the town receiving the much needed funding to ensure they are to the required standard for our childrens future education.
Kevin Barthorpe also commented
- I yet again find myself being shocked at Angus Councils elected members inability to show that they can be open & transparent, the very fact that they want to exclude members of the public & press from proceedins with regard to the schools project is rediculous. Its not like we are unaware of the situation. I would urge anyone in Angus to contact all 29 councillors on the council. Below is a list of all 29 e-mails for Angus councillors:
CllrMyles@angus.gov.uk, CllrMackintosh@angus.gov.uk, CllrLeslieMelville@angus.gov.uk, CllrMurphy@angus.gov.uk, CllrAndrews@angus.gov.uk, CllrBrown@angus.gov.uk, CllrLumgair@angus.gov.uk, CllrFairweather@angus.gov.uk, CllrMay@angus.gov.uk,
CllrMillar@angus.gov.uk, CllrNield@angus.gov.uk, CllrRymer@angus.gov.uk, CllrSalmond@angus.gov.uk, CllrThomson@angus.gov.uk, CllrWhyte@angus.gov.uk,
CllrEvans@angus.gov.uk, CllrGaul@angus.gov.uk, CllrKing@angus.gov.uk,
CllrLee@angus.gov.uk, CllrMiddletonB@angus.gov.uk, CllrMiddletonG@angus.gov.uk,
CllrMurray@angus.gov.uk, CllrMorrison@angus.gov.uk, CllrOswald@angus.gov.uk,
CllrValentine@angus.gov.uk, CllrWelsh@angus.gov.uk, CllrWest@angus.gov.uk,
If they decide to go ahead with the review what service will they remove funding from to pay for it.
- I for one will be attending the meeting, I would like to see what reasonable thoughts they could come up with to warrant wasting more time & money on this project( shame we wont be allowed some sort of input). I would also at this time like to point out that although Cllr Neild is quite rightly getting a lot of flack with regards to the school I would like to point out other councillors are also for the school but more importantly only one Councillor representing this ward voted against(namely Cllr King) so I truely believe Cllrs Fairweather & Lumgair share a good part of the blame of not representing the communities views in the first place. These people were entrusted with looking after the future of our children & in my opinion failed to do so at the outset by ignoring the concerns of parents/future parents & on occasions suggesting it was the parents who were selfish in their aims to prevent the school going ahead.
Recent comments by Kevin Barthorpe
- Angus Council just voted 15-14 in favour of secret hearing of proposal to take Education Secretary to Judicial Review
If cllr Nield as he states in his statement to the Arbroath Herald wants to be honest, open and accountable why did he not allow the press & members of the public to attend yesterdays decision on the judicial review. There is nothing open & transparent about excluding people from a process that was already made public. Although I am aware this decision was not cllr Nields alone it was him & his partner(cllr Fairweather) in all things wrong with this process that pushed it forward. Yet again 3 out the 4 councillors responsible for representing the views of the west end of the town have let us down. I have no doubt they will however state that they have been representing the silent majority(what a cop out).
Please note like Ewan this will be my last statement on this subject I however have to hope that the court decision will support what has been said by the Scottish Government.
- Angus Council loses the plot: public to be excluded from discussion on taking school closures to Judicial Review
Just not long got back from the meeting at the council. I have to say what a farce the same people that voted for the school voted against members of the public being allowed to stay in the meeting discussing the school & possible costly legal action. It was quite funny how our Provost didn’t even allow those against this measure to state their reasons for this. Not only that in the part we were able to sit in on they were talking about a fair democratic process what is democratic about excluding press & members of the public from something so important to our children & local community.
I have to say I am not surprised at the councils inability to listen to the views of the public, but cannot understand what was achieved by our exclusion from the meeting after all as a spectator you are not allowed to speak.
I look forward to the result about the decision as to whether or not they decide to take it to judicial review, but am very concious of the fact it it gets the go ahead it is quite obvious to me that those voting for it have no consideration to what the public want & I hope this will result in many of them losing their posts at the elections in May.
- Bizarre challenge from Angus Council to Education Secretary – on false evidence
As Ewan said my wife & I didn’t get the consultation documents apparently they have said we were not relevant consultees. However I have to point that our little boy is 2 years old & if the school is to open on time he will be the first intake for the nursery. Not only that he will spend the best part of 8 years being thaught in this so called super school. If thats not relevant people to consult with please tell me what is. Yes we are very annoyed that we can be dismissed out of hand like this when parents of children who are currently in primaries six & seven are being consulted on something that is not likely to be of great concern to their children who are likely to be in the secondary education when the school opens.
We also know many others who are in the same boat as us that didn’t receive the consultation documents where there children will be the first pupils in this so called super school. Unlike my wife & I some of these people are too afraid to come forward in case it causes problems for them.
All too often we tend to take these things for granted because we believe that the people in the position to make these decisions are looking out for our best interest. However although I accept some people are for the new school, but I genuinely believe that these decision makers have got this very wrong & using the silent majority as a shield ia woefully wrong. All I can say to these elected officials is please listen to what is being said not to what is not being said. All these people voting in the Arbroath Herald cant be wrong.
- Bizarre challenge from Angus Council to Education Secretary – on false evidence
All I have to say is thank goodness there is someone willing to take this whole thing seriously. I for one will support SNPs willingness to look at the consultation process from the start. The current council administration have had many opportunities to look at this again from the beginning (thus giving the people more reason to believe in them) which of course would have been the right thing to do from the moment it was realised the intial information was flawed. As I have said before I am not against investing in new schools but surely where it will cost only £2 million to renovate these 2 schools to give them at least another 30 years this would make more sense. At the same time this would also allow the council £6 million to invest in other Angus schools.
I would say to people who are looking to vote seek the opinion of those coming knocking at your doors to see their views on this & other issues affecting your communities as they are likely to be the people taking the council forward into the next term.
I like many would like to say to the Minister that this is a school that should not go ahead, should never have got this far & that the process of the schools project should start at the beginning giving all schools in Arbroath the same information & ask the same questions of all, this would surely give the people of Arbroath a much better feeling about the process of consultation.
- Extraordinary attack on Education Secretary by Angus Councillor
I totally agree with Ewan on the subject of more input from parents & those affected by a call in decision. We keep hearing about open & transparent government. However as this the current call in procedure seems to show there is none of that. I am by no means laying the blame at anybodies feet as this is currently the system in place, but in the interests of openness & transparency this needs to be looked at and changed.
I also agree with the comment about all FOI’s should be available before the minister makes a final decision, not only will this allow him to make a more educated decision it will make all of against the decision accept what will happen a bit easier what ever way it goes.
I luckily am one of those people who does not have to hide my identity, but I do however feel for those who have to. It is unfortunate that for the sake of protecting their jobs that some people have to do this, it is also inevitable that there will always be people out there who do not use these sites in the manner they were intended. There are a lot of people out there who want to use things for own gain. I would encourage any one out there who wants to respond to these to do so either using there real name or otherwise, I am already aware of staff in Angus Council who have been told they are not allowed to get involved, this is totally wrong for any council to do this but it looks like that is the way they like things to be run.
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