Comment posted Olympic ceremony budget doubles but not even auditions until February 2012 by W.S..
Ms She-Bat informs us:
“Did I say children in Scotland experiencing starvation – yes. I believe the definition above explains my point.
This is not a Scottish problem either, it is a UK problem and the only ones in a position to change that situation at the moment are the same ones spending £82 million on fireworks.”
Okay. I’ll take your word for it and accept that there are starving children in Scotland.
I am at a total loss, however, to understand why you think that the “only ones in a position to change that situation at the moment are the same ones spending £82 million on fireworks”. ie the London 2012 Olympics organisers.
We have a Parliament. It is their responsibility to rush in relief supplies for our starving children.
What is our Health Secretary doing about it?
What is the SNP government doing about it?
Why aren’t The Glasgow Herald etc running a Save The Starving Scottish Children campaign?
ps Please don’t post links to extremist websites on here to further your arguments. I found your “forscotland.com” website particularly distasteful and, probably, racist.
W.S. also commented
- For Ms She-Bat
Do you actually know what “starving” means ?
Can I suggest that you look up famine on google.
To imply that the London Olympics are spending money which should be used to relieve “starving” children in Scotland is just…well, I daren’t type the appropriate adjective.
So.
Lets say you’re right. There are starving children in Scotland so you say……then what the heck is the wonderful SNP Government doing about it ? Zip. Outrageous.
- “children in this country will be starving”
Hyperbole or not?
Where are these starving children?
- Do you also see a link between expenditure on the Glasgow Games and children in this country starving?
BTW; where are all these starving children eh?
or are you just using hyperbole to have a snide dig at the English?
- Congratulations F.A.
At last aligning yourselves with a desire for the success of London 2012.
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“Of course we’re not going to try to live with the Chinese performances. The short fact is that we could we hope to equal any aspect of this, even if wanted to do so.”
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“It is our cultural sector that will be under the gun in the biggest single spectacle – the Olympic opener – the UK has produced. There is a lot riding on this in terms of national credibility. With the planned timescale, this is not going to be a mediocre show. It is going to be either an embarrassment or something so good that it will confirm our belief in our cultural vitality. Here’s hoping.”
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Well done.
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If the current polls are to be believed then all we need is for everyone who already knows they will be voting NO to persuade one other person over the next 18 months and there will be a totally overwhelmimg majority for remaining British.I wonder when the NO vote comes if the cybernats will move to Iceland or Norway ?
Or another North European country all of which are so different from us culturally, historically, financialy and with totally different mindsets to us Scots ?
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You’ll find that its the poster not the post getting the thumbs down.Check everything that you and your aliases post; immediate multiple thumbs downs. People here are fed up with trolls like you.
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Okay, I followed your suggestion and very quickly spotted that Webcraft goes by the name of NickB***** and operates ScotsRenewables.Your BicNee username then connects logically.
Since you suggested it a further google search brings up all your other usernames clearly connected to you eg Crimson Vicar comes up as the moderator of a small community website run by Webcraft.
Sure Newsroom knows who you are. I guess everyone does now thanks to your suggestion to google Webcraft.
However the point is that you have clearly breached Terms and Conditions by posting here using multiple different usernames.
Why do you do this?
- Scotland’s Future: from the Referendum to Independence and a Written Constitution
>>> “so I think I’ll stick to the grown ups web sites where serious debate on serious issues in conducted.” <<<Almost exactly the words ScotsRenewables used when he pretended to flounce off after a couple of long rants about perceived anti-Independence/SNP bias on here.
FofS then (re)appeared on here a week or so later and carried on in exactly the same way as SR.
….and of course its easy to prove the connection further between SR, Webcraft, NickB, BicNee, and Crimson Vicar by just doing a google search for one of the first two.
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Troll says >>>”WS: Get a life. I don’t think I have never even met Webcraft – though from his previous posts I know who he is.” <<<You've never met yourself !!!
You've been outed by others, not just me, as posting on here using multiple user names just as you used to on the Oban Times forum.
What do we have? a right trollicking collection:
Feltcher of Soltoun
Webcraft
Scots Renewables
NickB
Crimson Vicar
BicNee
…..and others.The giveaway is the shared obsessions and shared insulting posting style of all above. Shared; I mean exactly the same.
Many of us have sussed you. Newsroom probably tolerates you for the amusement factor, but not for much longer I reckon if you keep insulting her under whatever username you happen to be trolling with..
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Ok, I’m pretty scunnered already this morning and this just ices the cake. Imagine what that £82 million could do for the poor of this country?
Is it the cuts to benefits that are paying for this? Are we removing DLA from disabled people who are entitled to it, to pay for some blimin fireworks? Removing people from Jobseekers because they can’t get a job, when there are no flippin jobs to be had?
Are we paying an extra few pence a litre on our petrol to cover this and all the incurrent costs that this adds onto our basic goods like food?
There are kids living in poverty all over this country who’s parents do not have enough money to feed them on or clothe them properly. Everyone, of all levels of income are feeling the pinch this year and don’t have as much to spend.
This will be the leanest Christmas since rationing was still in place and the knock on effect will be more businesses going to the wall because no-one is spending this festive season. More unemployed, more debt.
And this is all during a time the Tories are inflicting “austerity”?
Give me a break, why don’t they get a few rich Tory benefactors to foot the Olympics bill? They can stamp their names and logos all over the flipping thing for all I care.
We will have a beautiful opening ceremony – and children in this country will be starving.
Sickening.
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Do you also see a link between expenditure on the Glasgow Games and children in this country starving?
BTW; where are all these starving children eh?
or are you just using hyperbole to have a snide dig at the English?
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Fully agree CSB.
W.S. If they are spending a ridiculous amount of money on the Glasgow games then yes it is just as bad.
Do you really think there are no kids in this country going hungry? I’m guessing like me if CSB knew any of them personally then they wouldn’t be starving so i’m not sure of the point you are trying to make?
On the other hand i know of plenty parents who go hungry to make sure their kids are ok, that is just as bad but takes longer to type…
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Ok, W.S. we haven’t had much of a comment exchange before, so I will set a few things straight for the record.
Firstly, I’m half English.
Secondly – and more importantly, as I am sure just about everyone on FA will be able to confirm, I will have a go at anybody and anything, if I think they deserve it.
If you read my rant, its not actually anti-English, its anti-Tory, but I can understand as the 2 are often mixed-up and lets face it a Scottish Tory is about as rare as a 3-legged haggis.
Re: Starving Children – I have lived most of my life in what is classed as Poverty Stricken Areas and have friends who are in the very situation I have described. Why do you think I am so incensed? I see it with my own eyes. When did you last go into a house in Possilpark? Easterhouse? Cranhill? Govan? Maryhill? And a wee bit closer to home – Renton? Haldane? Castlehill? Brucehill? And these are just the hotspots, poverty is everywhere – here – in the UK.
Re: The Glasgow Games. Ok, comparison, how much is the Glasgow Games costing? I have no idea, but I do know that they are not spending £82 million on opening the damn thing.
Thats £82 million on the opening ceremony ALONE! Add that cost onto the rest of the what the games is costing. In fact, I am willing to bet the security costs for the games sites is more than the entire cost of the Commonwealth Games.
Remember when the Olympics were about finding out which were the best athletes in the world?
Hosting the Olympics is one thing, but when everyone in the country is suffering, throwing money at this event is just sickening.
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“children in this country will be starving”
Hyperbole or not?
Where are these starving children?
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I gave a number of examples W.S.
No hyperbole. Fact.
Have you heard of these places? Or are you living in a prosperous little bubble?
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In fact, you know what? Here, educate yourself!
http://forscotland.com/tracklab/noindex-starving020123URL.html
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For Ms She-Bat
Do you actually know what “starving” means ?
Can I suggest that you look up famine on google.
To imply that the London Olympics are spending money which should be used to relieve “starving” children in Scotland is just…well, I daren’t type the appropriate adjective.
So.
Lets say you’re right. There are starving children in Scotland so you say……then what the heck is the wonderful SNP Government doing about it ? Zip. Outrageous.
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Famine definition: an extreme scarcity of food.
Starvation definition: a state of extreme hunger resulting from lack of essential nutrients over a prolonged period.
These are in fact 2 different things as you can see.
I wish in no way to dismiss famine which is an atrocious thing to happen in this day and age, however, starvation can also occur where food is available, but not affordable and also the lower priced something is, the less nutrients are present, leading therefore to malnutrition and starvation.
Did I say there is a famine in Scotland – No.
Did I say children in Scotland experiencing starvation – yes. I believe the definition above explains my point.
This is not a Scottish problem either, it is a UK problem and the only ones in a position to change that situation at the moment are the same ones spending £82 million on fireworks.
The only way the SNP can do anything about it, is to hold the referendum on Independence and everytime this is mentioned all the anti-SNP start going nuts.
I am not anti-English, I am not an SNP follower. Please read this and take it in.
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Ms She-Bat informs us:
“Did I say children in Scotland experiencing starvation – yes. I believe the definition above explains my point.
This is not a Scottish problem either, it is a UK problem and the only ones in a position to change that situation at the moment are the same ones spending £82 million on fireworks.”
Okay. I’ll take your word for it and accept that there are starving children in Scotland.
I am at a total loss, however, to understand why you think that the “only ones in a position to change that situation at the moment are the same ones spending £82 million on fireworks”. ie the London 2012 Olympics organisers.
We have a Parliament. It is their responsibility to rush in relief supplies for our starving children.
What is our Health Secretary doing about it?
What is the SNP government doing about it?
Why aren’t The Glasgow Herald etc running a Save The Starving Scottish Children campaign?
ps Please don’t post links to extremist websites on here to further your arguments. I found your “forscotland.com” website particularly distasteful and, probably, racist.
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This is quite refreshing actually. No-one has been trying to challenge or antagonise me in a while, well at least since Simon realised how futile it is.
You seem to have a few issues W.S. about recognising exactly what you can attribute to my comments and what is said by others. For example: “I found your “forscotland.com” website particularly distasteful and, probably, racist.” (See I can quote things back as well)
This is not my website. This is one courtesy of Google that simply quoted the research I was looking for. I will admittedly own up to not looking any further than the page I posted. If this is an extremist website, then I wholeheartedly apologise for any offence caused to anyone who scrutinised it.
Since, you don’t seem to be able to argue with the research quoted and looked for another way to discredit me and my comments, I will take your admittance that there are children in this country suffering from starvation and malnutrition because of living in poverty.
If however, you are still unconvinced, this report from Save the Children might be useful, unless of course you consider them an extremist group as well:
http://www.savethechildren.org.uk/where-we-work/united-kingdom/scotland
“I am at a total loss, however, to understand why you think that the “only ones in a position to change that situation at the moment are the same ones spending £82 million on fireworks”. ie the London 2012 Olympics organisers.”
I apologise for not making my point clearer. The “ones” I refer to are not the Games Organisers. Indeed they may have asked for the extra money, but the decision was taken at Westminster to give them it – and Westminster at the moment make all decisions about tax, benefits and inflation etc for Scotland. The SNP or whoever is in power in the Scottish Parliament actually have no control over that, hence my comment about the only way to change it is for the referendum to be held and independence chosen as the outcome.
“What is our Health Secretary doing about it?” – Not enough, partly due to the limitations mentioned above.
“What is the SNP government doing about it?” – Not enough, partly due to the limitations mentioned above.
Why aren’t The Glasgow Herald etc running a Save The Starving Scottish Children campaign?” – there is no campaign as there is no headline grabbing famine killing huge numbers of our children en mass over a short period of time. Poverty is a long, arduous, gradual state of existence and unfortunately, does not sell newspapers.
You seem to have an agenda of turning this post into a slagging match of the SNP and to try and force me into condemning them.
I will re-iterate for you. I do not support the SNP. As I have stated on here on many occasions, I have no political allegiance having become disillusioned by the major political parties a while back. I will have a go at anyone(including the SNP), if I think they deserve it, I just do not place the blame for this at the doors of the Scottish Parliament on this occasion, I place it at the doors of Westminster.
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Despite all protestations by various government ” worthies”, the outcome to all this is that we are all contributing to what can only be described as a ” feel good for London factor “.
Another “pretend we’re still an empire ” attitude.
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Congratulations F.A.
At last aligning yourselves with a desire for the success of London 2012.
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“Of course we’re not going to try to live with the Chinese performances. The short fact is that we could we hope to equal any aspect of this, even if wanted to do so.”
…..
“It is our cultural sector that will be under the gun in the biggest single spectacle – the Olympic opener – the UK has produced. There is a lot riding on this in terms of national credibility. With the planned timescale, this is not going to be a mediocre show. It is going to be either an embarrassment or something so good that it will confirm our belief in our cultural vitality. Here’s hoping.”
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Well done.
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Strange to see the people who were happy to spend £433 million pounds on an unnecessary Scottish parliament building complaining about the Olympics .
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I don’t remember anyone being happy spending that on the Scottish Parliament.
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‘fraid you’re suffering from amnesia on this one ! Michael Forsyth warned what would happen and was ridiculed by Donald Dewar and co for suggesting £50 million would not cover the cost of the ridiculous design chosen by Labour luvy Kirsty Wark and other chums of Dewar .
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Kintyre1, they may have suggested it, supported it etc etc etc. Did anyone actually say at the end of it, they were happy with the cost?
Please help me cure my amnesia.
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I have no issue with the Olympics i do object to wasting money, i had an issue with the cost of the Scottish parliament building too.
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Kintyre1 – I think you will remember that the SNP weren’t happy either. Indeed the Scottish parliament weren’t happy either but the location and design had been chosen by Westminster – with an inflated cost given for the conversion of the the old Royal High which swung the decision in favour of Holydrood. And if my memory serves me correctly the Holyrood building ended up costing much more than the proposed cost of converting the Royal High building.
Indeed is anyone on here guilty of supporting the Holyrood building but also attacking the cost of the Olympics?
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I wonder if in posting No7 kintyre1 is suggesting that the building or the parliament is “unnecessary”
I am a tad devastated to learn that my chances of participating in the opening ceremony of the London Olympics is under threat because I lack rhythm. After being left a long way away from any sight of the Olympic torch process I certainly feel excluded.
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I agree with Ken McColl, criticising the Scottish Parliament building costs is pointless as it’s history, and actually serving a useful purpose now.
The Olympic budget is difficult to swallow, not that I am against the idea of Britain putting on a display to the world and hosting the most globally recognised sporting event, it’s just that we are too remote to feel a part of it. Also, when the games were awarded to GB, no-one really forecast the air of financial pain and austerity that we now find ourselves, which is why this expenditure seems incongruous today.
However, as anyone who has been involved in high value capital projects knows, once started it is nigh impossible to halt a spiralling budget. ‘We’ made the bed, so now have to lie in it.
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Well I auditioned in november. Had my second audition back in november as well. They’ve split people into roles and have a number of groups working on very specific skills. I think you’re way off of the mark when you’re suggesting that they’re not prepared. The choreography is sorted and most of the roles are filled.
Yeah, they’ve reopened auditions to get more men of the right quality for the huge crowd scenes. So what. We’re talking thousands of people standing in a set space, doing a short sequence of movements. The amount each individual needs to know in order to do that well is relatively small. They’ll have plenty of time.
I understand that as a reporter you would not understand the process of putting together a show of that scale, but you could have at least done a little research into the facts as opposed to looking at one press release and making assumptions.
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For Kate: this is useful information. Everyone wants – needs – this show to be a success.
However, you should look at the dangers of patronising assumptions. Any individual ‘reporter’ is always much more than that or they wouldn’t be any good at their job – but each will have their own expertise and experience.
We don’t publish articles by anyone who does not know what they’re talking about. In this instance the reporter has a long experience of making and writing on theatre and is a specialist, practically and theoretically, on performance, image and spectacle.
Reading our coverage of the opening ceremony at Beijing would rather demonstrate that.
So nice try but no luck.
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Katie is right…The headline is VERY deceiving and untrue!!
I get what he’s trying to say about the Beijing show.. So why run with a headline that is untrue??? Especially as its one of its “KEY POINTS” that when the announcement for double the money that no auditions had taken place when in fact they already had auditioned 10000 people a month prior?? And in the first round 15000.
They had opened for applications last July/August and have filled most of the roles for the ceremonies. They know what they are doing performance wise already and after the auditions there is easily enough time for people to know what they will be doing in it.
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I agree with Kate’s comments above. This article has no credence because the reporter has got his basic facts wrong. The vast majority of people auditioned in November with only top up auditions in February for those roles for which enough suitable people had not auditioned previously. Most peolpe had been actually offered places when this article was written . The statement about the rehearsal schedule is again inaccurate. We have world class directors who have worked on many previous Olympics and so they know what they are doing and also top class choreographers. We are not trying to emulate the Beijing Olympics but our Olympics will be more akin to the people’s Olympics of Sydney 2000. A performance like that is perfectly feasible within the rehearsals scheduled- I have over 100 hours of rehearsals for what is likely to be a 5 to 15 minute slot which should give ample preparation time,
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