For Webcraft and Ken MacColl: It’s not an …

Comment posted Aberdeen votes by narrow majority for video game ‘garden’ at Union Terrace by newsroom.

For Webcraft and Ken MacColl: It’s not an either or situation. We are of course looking into the situation with the Oban CHORD project and we are aware that access to the entire Interim Business Case has been denied.

Anyone from outside the council has to accept that an Interin Business case actually exists and that it has been discussed. Not only is the public denied knowledge of the contents of this business case, it is not allowed to know what the conclusions of the discussion on it were.

Moreover, the meeting was asked: ‘to recommend to the Programme Management Board that £1,840,000.00 be drawn down to allow the 1st phase of the project as detailed in the Interim Business case to be progressed, subject to the adjustments discussed for the traffic interchange proposals.

This is a substantial sum of money to be drawn down with no public account of exactly what it is for – and to be drawn down on the basis of an ‘interim’ and not a final business case.

The Oban CHORD project is a labyrinthine morass of indefensible practice and as such, working to undersitand it is a slow process akin to dissecting a rat.

The Aberdeen division on the retention or radicalisation of Union Terrace Gardens raises issues of perspectives on planning for public spaces which are relevant anywhere.

Helensburgh faces the vandalism of the classical lines of Colquhoun Square and for no good reason.

Anyone who looks at the design approved for Union Terrace Gardens will see nothing organic but simply an overscale version of the short term concrete wows that were enacted in urban gardens back when garden makeovers where all the rage.

This is a question of design for public spaces – and we are all affected by such matters wherever we live.

Recent comments by newsroom

  • Astonishing infrastructural deficiency threatens Oban’s business development
    If any of us had other people’s money to spend, surely we could run an event and a street party?
    Your sense that this is evidence of an OK performance highlights the rock-bottom expectations Argyll now has of its council.
  • Astonishing infrastructural deficiency threatens Oban’s business development
    Your first remarks would discourage amy business developent whatsoever – which we’re sure is not your intention.
    Any 21st century entrepreneur is entitled to expect that the infrastructural provision of major towns is automatically business capable.
    We have never described the previous Executive Director responsible for Infrastructure and Economic Development as a star performer but at least he knew the field – a ‘square one’ necessity. Now the council has chosen not even to have level of competence available.
  • NHS Highland attempts heist on Campbeltown’s volunteer kidney support group
    We have some problems with the comment above.
    The first is an arguably unintended but careless smear on Councillor Kelly and on Jamie McGrigor MSP in saying: ‘councillor Kelly and Mr McGrigor hijacking a very positive cause for their own personal political gain’.
    Unless ‘personal gain’ is qualified as ‘personal political gain’, the immediate reading of such a comment is that money is involved.
    Beyond that, we stand to be corrected – but we find it unlikely that any community could be in a position to guarantee to raise funds allocated to issues over which it has no control and is not necessarily consulted upon – without question and at the dictat of an organisation which is not answerable to them.
    If this was a contract, it would be different, There would be accountability to those who pay the bills.
    This sort of confusion need not arise if relationships and responsibilities are clearly framed and agreed at the outset.
    The main issue here is the credit to the community in Campbeltown and to people like yourself who have donated to this very worthwhile alleviation of additional stress on people already suffering from a serious illness.
    We don’t know a lot about Councillor Kelly’s work in South Kintyre although we notice his involvement in a lot of community causes and projects, indicating a widespread engagement with community development; but we do know a lot about Jamie McGrigor’s work across the Highlands and Islands and anyone further from the caricature of ‘posturing politician’ would be very hard to find.
    Whatever his party, he is someone who is – unusually – unvaryingly focused on issues he knows to be important for his regional constituents. He also never routinely runs down other political parties or those who represent them when he disagrees with their policies or actions. That is unique in our experience and a welcome breath of fresh air.
  • Substantial community benefits from the big estates
    The pier’s privately owned by the same outfit that owns the wreck of the Inn across the water at St Catherines.
    The – once lovely – Inveraray Pier is one hostile community buy out – for nothing – everyone would unquestioningly support.
  • Syriza, one seat short of overall majority, now talisman for the Scot Nats
    Could not agree more.
    Of course there is no effective Greek recovery. Mr McWhirter though, rightly identified the fact that – below the massive interest burden on the massive debt burden – the Greek economy grew [from a very low base] by what is now almost 4%. He did, foolishly – go on to compare that growth favourably with Britain’s. That’s the problem with polemic.
    As you say,there is no escape from austerity for Greece. It just depends on the specific source of that austerity, formal or informal, with the spectre you raise of it becoming worse in the chaotic collapse of an exit from Europe.

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8 Responses to For Webcraft and Ken MacColl: It’s not an …

  1. I think this is unfortunately evidence (again) that, in Aberdeen, money speaks louder than anything else. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating.
    It’s worth comparing this scheme, which completely overwhelms the gardens and utterly destroys their character, with the previous proposal by Brisac Gonzalez for the Peacock Visual Arts Centre, consisting of three levels of galleries and arts facilities inserted under the existing gardens terraces in much the same way that the National Gallery basement extension was inserted under the existing building on the Mound facing Princes Street Gardens in Edinburgh. Diller Scofidio & Renfro are very good designers – who did a brilliant job in their High Line linear garden development of the old elevated freight railway bordering the Hudson in Manhattan – but they’ve been unable to work within, and respect, the character of Union Terrace Gardens.

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  2. Is Aberdeen in Argyll now?

    Let’s have more focus on what is happening – or not happening – on the Oban development front.

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  3. I have to agree with Webcraft here. It would appear that the citizens of Aberdeen, after a full consultation process, have been given the opportunity to express an opinion about the Gardens project.
    Contrast that with the “airy fairy” details available for the spending of a considerable sum of borrowewd money under the CHORD project in Oban on a scheme where information about what is proposed, costings, business plan (?) is not only denied to the general public but, it would appear, is only available in severely redacted format to those councillors who are not in the charmed Inner Circle. Yet again, what price democratic process in Argyll & Bute?

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  4. For Webcraft and Ken MacColl: It’s not an either or situation. We are of course looking into the situation with the Oban CHORD project and we are aware that access to the entire Interim Business Case has been denied.

    Anyone from outside the council has to accept that an Interin Business case actually exists and that it has been discussed. Not only is the public denied knowledge of the contents of this business case, it is not allowed to know what the conclusions of the discussion on it were.

    Moreover, the meeting was asked: ‘to recommend to the Programme Management Board that £1,840,000.00 be drawn down to allow the 1st phase of the project as detailed in the Interim Business case to be progressed, subject to the adjustments discussed for the traffic interchange proposals.

    This is a substantial sum of money to be drawn down with no public account of exactly what it is for – and to be drawn down on the basis of an ‘interim’ and not a final business case.

    The Oban CHORD project is a labyrinthine morass of indefensible practice and as such, working to undersitand it is a slow process akin to dissecting a rat.

    The Aberdeen division on the retention or radicalisation of Union Terrace Gardens raises issues of perspectives on planning for public spaces which are relevant anywhere.

    Helensburgh faces the vandalism of the classical lines of Colquhoun Square and for no good reason.

    Anyone who looks at the design approved for Union Terrace Gardens will see nothing organic but simply an overscale version of the short term concrete wows that were enacted in urban gardens back when garden makeovers where all the rage.

    This is a question of design for public spaces – and we are all affected by such matters wherever we live.

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    • Totally agree ‘.newsroom’.
      The Argyll Square roundabout in the centre of Oban was a beautiful ‘alive’ spectacle at one time, only to be vandalised with concrete, and token garden. Old pictures of the square are beautiful and vibrant, and any place considering ‘improvements’ should understand, when its gone its gone!
      The daft roundabout at Alexandria is another ugly waste of money surely.
      Whether its Aberdeen, Helensburgh or wherever a cool considered overview is a must and any local consultion must be given due prominence.

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  5. This is great news. Aberdeen should have a vibrant public realm given it’s massive economic advantage. Instead it is a provincial backwater with little modern architectural merit.

    The key to the longterm success of this new square is how well it is maintained once it’s completed.

    We have a poor record of maintaining our public works in Scotland. Let’s hope Aberdeen builds in a proper maintenance plan in the project

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    • Graeme – have a good look at what’s proposed – the open space, ‘the square’, disappears to be replaced by a series of carved up spaces separated by very substantial bits of building – a very expensive monument to Sir Ian Wood, undoubtedly – but really destructive of the character of this garden in the city.

      Aberdeen is not a ‘provincial backwater with little architectural merit’ – the city centre has suffered from bad planning that’s allowed traffic to dominate and has led to the main thoroughfare, Union Street, becoming very down at heel, and driven out much of the retail life. Jazzing up what could still be a haven from the rush and noise of the streets isn’t going to cure Aberdeen’s problems. In Manhattan Diller Scofidio & Renfro succeeded in part because they had to respect the strong form of the old railway viaduct, and designed the garden within it – whereas in Aberdeen they’ve been presented with an existing garden, but have completely destroyed its form in seeking to create something novel and revolutionary. The previous approved design created very substantial new space to bring more life and activity into the gardens, but without destroying their form. I just wonder if this was seen as a missed opportunity to create a massive impact on the city centre to the greater glory of Sir Ian Wood and the ‘city fathers’.

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  6. The current gardens are ugly and plagued with drug addicts. It is such a total waste of space and has no character whatsoever. The new scheme is modern and will have space for outdoor events, something else which Aberdeen is lacking. After the gardens, attention needs to be paid to Union Street. I think part of it should be pedestrianised like in other cities, this will also encourage tourism and draw people to spend more time on Union Street.

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