Comment posted Scottish Marine Regions consultation: a depressing waste of time by newsroom.
For John in Kintyre: Foreign trawlers.
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- For John in Kintyre: You’re quite right about the stand off in Loch Fyne and that nothing can be done about non-local boats. But non local boats do have a lesser sense of responsibility to an environment that is not their own. What do you see as – if not the answer, a constructive way of addressing this?
- For John in KIntyre: You say: ‘Scottish Marine Regions will have no effect on the working practices of these “foreign” vessels as it is Brussels that has the final say in Fishery matters, Marine Scotland can only tinker and fine tune the decrees handed down from Brussels’.
That is exactly what we are saying in this issue and why – along with the operations of the freebooting Crown Estate Commissioners, the headline is that the exercise is a depressing waste of time.
And if you consult creelers on Loch Fyne, you can establish for yourself what we have said on the operation of extra-territorial trawlers there. Mid Argyll councillors are also well aware of the situation.
- For Arhur MacArthur: There are a lot of insights people need to have on this complex issue. For instance, the myth is that hand dived scallops are ecologically sound where the traditional bottom scraping is not.
While the drag scraping undoubtedly ravages the sea floor – as with the well known case of Strangford Lough in Northern Ireland, it is at least indiscriminate in the scallops it takes.
Hand divers naturally take only the prime scallops, leaving the beds deprived of breeding stock and disproportionately with more immature and elderly specimens.
It should be obvious that we are not eco-fascists but are arguing for intelligent action – designed collaboratively (not simply ‘consulted’) – to support the current lives of fishermen and to support their future lives by conserving clearly threatened stocks; and protecting the ecosystem that holds species in a form of balance.
And we are principally arguing in this article for a focus on doing what can be done – with both elephants. The Government has to move away from the extravagant habit of mistaking for action the endless production of less than competent proposals for unachievable ends.
In this case all the introduction of Scottish Marine Regions could do is produce another slew of administrators to preside over a power vacuum.
And to repeat – every industry has its parcels of rogues but the west coast fishermen are generally responsible, well informed – and desperate.
They – and everyone concerned in every aspect of Scotland’s marine area, simply need determined action on the sway of the elephants.
- For Andy MacArthur: We were certainly not referring to west coast fishermen.
Look at the article again. We refer specifically to foreign trawlers.
Of course there is an issue with blackfish – which fishermen hate as much as anyone and the quota system, as currently operated, makes inevitable; but we have plenty of evidence that the generality of west coast fishermen are responsible and well informed. They also have no wish to foul their own patch. Foreign trawlers have no such restraint and owe no such loyalty.
These are the ‘looters clearing the valuables’ and they are certainly an issue in Loch Fyne, for one.
We have heard Argyll fishermen praise the system adopted by the Isle of Man – of serially closing and opening scallop beds around the island and seeing stocks thriving in consequence. We have heard them wish that the UK / Scottish Governments would introduce the same strategy.
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We’re not going to do a ’20 questions’ routine but, to let local politicians off the hook, it’s not any of them.
And we’re now taking a vow of silence.
- First Minister’s choice not to condemn mob behaviour proves Farage point
Criticising behaviour – like Nimbyism [a worthy target], should not necessarily require tying it to a party or a group, although if there is good evidence why it belongs there, there is every reason to relate the two.
When you say: ‘Only in a very small number of occasions would I condone taking protest to the point of physical intimidation and I reserve that to some of the most significant ‘upheavals’ in modern times (examples being the fight against apartheid and the civil rights movement in the US) – even then there would be a line I, personally, couldn’t step over.’ – this is wholly understandable but using violence to protest against it is contradictory. I can never get playwright John Arden’s line out my head on this one: ‘You can’t cure the pox by further whoring.’
Civil disobedience is a very attractive and effective expression of disaffection but people are quite resistant to considering it.
- Arctic Convoy navies celebrated at Loch Ewe as surviving veterans receive Arctic Star medal
Email Jacky Brookes of the Russian Arctic Convoy Museum in Wester Ross: email@example.com (Russian Arctic Convoy Museum)
She will be glad to hear from you and of your father.
If you go to this webpage: http://www.veterans-uk.info/arctic_star_index.htm
- you will find an Application Form for the Arctic Star on it.
Alternatively, you can phone: 08457 800 900 and take it from there.
You will be able to get a posthumous medal for your father for his Arctic Convoy service – and although, painfully, he will never have known of it or seen it, he earned it and the medal will be very important to your family.
- First Minister’s choice not to condemn mob behaviour proves Farage point
We have people in Community Councils in Argyll who are on the record as not wanting ‘people of low incomes’ in their area. And those will be people of a variety of political persuasions. The socialist NIMBY is not a rare bird.
It is unsafe to give representational status to the fringe adherents of any cause – and that is why the cause itself – any cause – must be clear about what it finds acceptable and what it does not.
The need for the formal, official representative of a country to be clear on matters like this is even greater – and it sets the bar.
How would Mr Salmond react to the same treatment the mob offered Mr Farage in Edinburgh?
It was sudden and unexpected.
It began with an invasion of the pub he was in.
It was intimidating – the mob crowded tight in, creating a real pressure.
The shouting and the abuse was literally ‘in his face’.
There was no way through nor any offered.
It would be surprising if the First Minister were not to feel equally shaken by such an experience – and very surprising if he had effectively condoned it as gleefully afterwards.
Personally, I’m not afraid of much – but the pressure of shouting bodies, the level of unreason, the aggression – with no signals that this might not turn to physical aggression… I wouldn’t have run but I would have been worried for my safety and I would have had no certainty as to the outcome.
The police clearly had reason to take a quite extraordinary series of measures to protect Mr Farage.
One of these was locking him in a pub for his own safety.
That meant that they were uncertain of their ability to protect him against a violence they, who were present – clearly felt was a potential development.
I feel – on good evidence – that Tony Blair did more damage than anyone to the political life of this country, to its expectation of honesty in those who govern, to its essential democracy and to its security – and that he has blood on his hands: of untold thousands of innocent Iraqis, of Dr David Kelly, of those who died in London in the bombings of 7th July 2005. I feel the most profound contempt for him.[And Nigel Farage has nothing of this level of gravity on his record.]
But I would act to protect Blair were he to be the butt of anything like this – because I do not wish to be implicated either in what he has done or in any primitive lynch mob response to it.
The best punishment for the attention-seeking and egotistical Blair is to pay him no attention. He is not an homme serieux.
The best response to UKIP and MR Farage, if you are opposed to their politics, is not to vote for them.
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No – not speculation – otherwise we would have said so.
But this is not a done deal.
It has to go for approval to an SNP meeting tomorrow [Monday].
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