Comment posted More results from vote analysis in Argyll and Bute council election by newsroom.
With party-based candidates, votes are generated both by individual performance and party loyalty.
With votes for an Independent who has joined a non-political group between elections, the vote is largely a personal one, because the group cannot campaign as such and has no electoral identity. There will be a degree of impact on this vote of the respect or otherwise of the performance of the group to which the individual has belonged but in 2012 this has not been substantial. An Independent who joins a group between elections has a level of ‘deniability’ which party-based candidates do not.
There’s no evidence in the results of organised tactical voting.
The overall pattern indicated by the final results in 2012 is that the SNP inherited much of the lost LibDem vote, replacing Alison Hay with Sandy Taylor in Mid Argyll (a direct result of the school closures issue) and taking a third seat in Oban South and the Isles with the move from the LibDem to the Alliance and to the SNP of incumbent Councillor Mary Jean Devon who has a strong personal vote.
The SNP and the Conservatives were also the beneficiaries of the lost LibDem vote in Kintyre and the islands with the hard working performance of SNP Anne Horn taking votes from the semi-detached LibDem Robin Currie; and with Conservative Alastair Redman taking Islay votes off Currie for local reasons – Currie had let down his constituents in the school closures issue.
In Oban North and Lorn there was a clear shift away from councillors associated with the Alliance, although this was also affected by personal voting factors, for and against, in each individual case. Here the principal beneficiary was the new kid on the block, the respected Iain Angus Macdonald standing for the first time and as a genuine Independent.
The Alliance lost massively in Lomond North as much as anything because they were two candidates down. They lost William Petrie to retirement and they had disgracefully expelled Councillor George Freeman for his vote on the school closures issue. Freeman not only topped the poll -taking more votes out of the pool but Councillor Danny Kelly, centrally associated with the deed done to Freeman, suffered the loss of his seat as much for that as for the school closures issue.
At the end of the day, if you subtract from the SNP’s overall gain across the Argyll and Bute constituency, the impact of Alison Hay’s self-generated loss and the gift of Mary Jean Devon’s personal vote, that party’s gain was very modest.
The Alliance’s catastrophic loss of vote in Lomond North was largely also self-generated and local, with the Conservatives the major beneficiary.
The national collapse of the Lib-Dem vote actually and reasonably seems not to have been much of a factor here. This party was always going to lose its second seat in Helensburgh and Lomond South because it had been gained at a by election, with one seat already on hand and the entire LibDem vote available then to vote in a second candidate (Andrew Nisbet). But the party vote in that ward was never enough to take two seats although Councillor Ellen Morton increased her vote this time for the first seat. In Helensburgh Central, the vote of the late Councillor Al Reay and the 55%+ vote lost by Conservative Councillor Gary Mulvaney seem both to have simply been generally dispersed but with very respectable support for a new Independent candidate, David Alastair Allan.
Recent comments by newsroom
- Institute of Fiscal Studies economist looks at fiscal context of independent Scotland
The link to Mr Emmerson’s presentation has been given in the article above from the outset.
And – in genuine puzzlement – what precisely do you see as ‘spin’? - Colonsay votes 60%-40% in favour of proposed Marine Harvest salmon farm
Freedom Foods is less and different than it seems.
This article is required reading for any understanding of this tricky situation:
http://forargyll.com/2013/01/rspca-compromised-by-freedom-food-certification-for-farmed-salmon/ - Institute of Fiscal Studies economist looks at fiscal context of independent Scotland
We would be be very happy to answer this question if we could.
But, as things stand, there is no substantive information and economic detail on exactly what economic strategy and its associated policies would be pursued for an independent Scotland.
The First Minister’s ‘Scotland’s Economy’ paper, recently launched, was profoundly disappointing in this respect and, in its lack of economic substance, replaced by ad-man puffery, was damaging to the campaign’s credibility.
We can assure you and anyone, that when such information becomes available – and we are sure it will because it must – we will not be prejudging it but will respond to it with open mind and goodwill and the necessary intelligent scrutiny.
We have WANTED and still want to see a coherent, joined up, strong, imaginative, challenging and achievable strategy and policies put forward for a specific future for Scotland – honestly described in unchallengeably accurate costs and benefits and carving out an identity for Scotland that is realistic and unique.
The extent to which all we are being offered is essentially the status quo with a new badge and a few costly goody bags to entice ‘Yes’ votes could not undermine the ‘independence’ prospectus more thoroughly.
No one can possibly believe that a change of this magnitude can be made without cost to all concerned.
It is necessary is to know the realistic costs, perceive the realistic benefits and decide if the price is worth paying.
We do not believe that the price need be too high or the benefits inconsequential – but as this campaign is being run, the price IS too high and the benefits insubstantial because, in any competent sense, the necessary thinking has not gone on.
What is being proposed is unrealistic, often unspecific and unproductively expensive into the future – and the easy answers are clearly both misleading and dishonest.
This won’t do and it won’t do it. - White smoke rises from Councillor Duncan MacIntyre’s chimney as two-man College of Cardinals settle a deal
Short and sweet for short and sweet: don’t be simplistic.
No one could defend Councillor Robb’s sudden swerve last Thursday, leaving his loyal colleagues like flotsam and jetsam.
But that does not mean that he did not deserve the support he was given by his colleagues when he was given it.
Life is not a simple business. - Russell to make parliamentary statement on rural schools today
In the circumstances of the destructions of the SNP councillors group in the last 12 months, you can hardly expect credibility elevating the importance of ‘collective’ action?
Being ‘collective’ when it suits one to harvest support from others it not what collectivity or collegiality is about.
And many in Argyll now know more than enough about your party, its councillors, its members, its structures and its wonderfully elastic ‘rules’.
powered by SEO Super Comments











Interesting stats.
The fact that the final result as on the application forms was Ind 15 SNP 13 Tory 4 Lib Dems 4 begs the question why the Argyll First folk did not put that on their form.
Also how the Administration can have a Tory in its ranks with 3 Tory councillors in opposition!
Could only happen in ABC.
Like or Dislike:
0
0
It would seem obvious that not all Independents are as independently minded as the Argyll First folk and others described thus who chose to ally theselves with the SNP to help form the administration. Similarly it is clear that in Donald Kelly the Tories have a man who is not afraid to have a mind of his own -even if, maybe because, it causes your Islay correspondent so much despair. Mr Kelly is not alone in acting and speaking out independently as we can see from former Tory benefactor Peter de Vink in Midlothian who has been elected and joined the SNP administration there and former Tory Minister Peter Fraser who has been ruffling feathers with some outspoken and, some may judge, “heretical ” opinions about the constitutional future of Scotland.
Some of the old certainties are definitely being challenged. We live in interesting times.
Like or Dislike:
0
0
All very clever but newsie’s assumption seems to be that all the votes were cast FOR the candidate.
What about the effect of tactical voting?
Why all the surprise at Tories and Tartan Tories aligning? Is there that much of a difference?
Like or Dislike:
0
0
With party-based candidates, votes are generated both by individual performance and party loyalty.
With votes for an Independent who has joined a non-political group between elections, the vote is largely a personal one, because the group cannot campaign as such and has no electoral identity. There will be a degree of impact on this vote of the respect or otherwise of the performance of the group to which the individual has belonged but in 2012 this has not been substantial. An Independent who joins a group between elections has a level of ‘deniability’ which party-based candidates do not.
There’s no evidence in the results of organised tactical voting.
The overall pattern indicated by the final results in 2012 is that the SNP inherited much of the lost LibDem vote, replacing Alison Hay with Sandy Taylor in Mid Argyll (a direct result of the school closures issue) and taking a third seat in Oban South and the Isles with the move from the LibDem to the Alliance and to the SNP of incumbent Councillor Mary Jean Devon who has a strong personal vote.
The SNP and the Conservatives were also the beneficiaries of the lost LibDem vote in Kintyre and the islands with the hard working performance of SNP Anne Horn taking votes from the semi-detached LibDem Robin Currie; and with Conservative Alastair Redman taking Islay votes off Currie for local reasons – Currie had let down his constituents in the school closures issue.
In Oban North and Lorn there was a clear shift away from councillors associated with the Alliance, although this was also affected by personal voting factors, for and against, in each individual case. Here the principal beneficiary was the new kid on the block, the respected Iain Angus Macdonald standing for the first time and as a genuine Independent.
The Alliance lost massively in Lomond North as much as anything because they were two candidates down. They lost William Petrie to retirement and they had disgracefully expelled Councillor George Freeman for his vote on the school closures issue. Freeman not only topped the poll -taking more votes out of the pool but Councillor Danny Kelly, centrally associated with the deed done to Freeman, suffered the loss of his seat as much for that as for the school closures issue.
At the end of the day, if you subtract from the SNP’s overall gain across the Argyll and Bute constituency, the impact of Alison Hay’s self-generated loss and the gift of Mary Jean Devon’s personal vote, that party’s gain was very modest.
The Alliance’s catastrophic loss of vote in Lomond North was largely also self-generated and local, with the Conservatives the major beneficiary.
The national collapse of the Lib-Dem vote actually and reasonably seems not to have been much of a factor here. This party was always going to lose its second seat in Helensburgh and Lomond South because it had been gained at a by election, with one seat already on hand and the entire LibDem vote available then to vote in a second candidate (Andrew Nisbet). But the party vote in that ward was never enough to take two seats although Councillor Ellen Morton increased her vote this time for the first seat. In Helensburgh Central, the vote of the late Councillor Al Reay and the 55%+ vote lost by Conservative Councillor Gary Mulvaney seem both to have simply been generally dispersed but with very respectable support for a new Independent candidate, David Alastair Allan.
Like or Dislike:
0
0
Will JimB tell us who he thinks are the Tartan Tories?
Like or Dislike:
0
0
Hi Lachie,Very valid points But to miiamxse any ethereal benifits , Tiree has to approach from a position of strength What to do ? Dance to their tune or have them dance to ours ? Cutting through the waffle; you don’t take a knife to a gunfight.Slightly off at a tangent interesting that while SPR seem to be trying to say ground disturbance on Tiree will affect the crofters & they seem to be opening the doors to discussion . this is but a mear distraction to the documented facts regarding micro climate change something they seem unable or not willing to open up and discuss. They say they have to do weather studies etc but as we all know we already have 50 or so years of documented weather available on Tiree they hopefully have data on the affects of huge turbine areas on landmass if they don’t why not ?Karl
Like or Dislike:
0
0