Comments on: Fishing: the figures we’re not given http://forargyll.com/2009/12/fishing-the-figures-were-not-given/ Fri, 25 May 2012 11:45:04 +0100 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: chrishttp://forargyll.com/2009/12/fishing-the-figures-were-not-given/#comment-24749 chris Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:57:43 +0000 http://forargyll.com/?p=17956#comment-24749 " December 2nd, 2009 at 1:05 pm Another very disturbing aspect of commercial fishing in the Clyde area. This year a number of observers have witnessed electro-fishing for Razor Clams being carried out. While enabling the recovery of the clams there is considerable destruction of other marine life. Not much care for the environment " Hello Tystie, I was just wondering where you got your information from regarding the destruction of other marine life when electro fishing ? There is no evidence to date which proves your claim, and according to "SEAFISH" It is one of the most humane and efficient methods being trialled in Wales at the moment. ” December 2nd, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Another very disturbing aspect of commercial fishing in the Clyde area. This year a number of observers have witnessed electro-fishing for Razor Clams being carried out. While enabling the recovery of the clams there is considerable destruction of other marine life. Not much care for the environment ”

Hello Tystie,

I was just wondering where you got your information from regarding the destruction of other marine life when electro fishing ? There is no evidence to date which proves your claim, and according to “SEAFISH” It is one of the most humane and efficient methods being trialled in Wales at the moment.

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]]> By: erik the vikinghttp://forargyll.com/2009/12/fishing-the-figures-were-not-given/#comment-21421 erik the viking Sun, 06 Dec 2009 17:47:24 +0000 http://forargyll.com/?p=17956#comment-21421 "the illegal ‘black’ catch. Some fishermen carry on fishing after they have reached their allowed quotas, working outside of the law and landing this ‘black catch’ away from scrutiny. In some places such catches have been estimated to equal the allowable fishing quotas" To make a statement like that you would need to be complicit with the illegal landings surely?Who's doing the estimates then? Anyone in a position to estimate black fish as being equal to the TAC is in a position where the can monitor illegal landings - where do you get this information from Mr Carter? - and if you are in a position to estimate the 'black catch' surely you would be in a position to report it? “the illegal ‘black’ catch. Some fishermen carry on fishing after they have reached their allowed quotas, working outside of the law and landing this ‘black catch’ away from scrutiny. In some places such catches have been estimated to equal the allowable fishing quotas”

To make a statement like that you would need to be complicit with the illegal landings surely?Who’s doing the estimates then? Anyone in a position to estimate black fish as being equal to the TAC is in a position where the can monitor illegal landings – where do you get this information from Mr Carter? – and if you are in a position to estimate the ‘black catch’ surely you would be in a position to report it?

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]]> By: tystiehttp://forargyll.com/2009/12/fishing-the-figures-were-not-given/#comment-20882 tystie Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:39:31 +0000 http://forargyll.com/?p=17956#comment-20882 Glad to see you don't let the b-----s grind you down. As a long in the tooth bod with a scientific background I find I have become more and more depressed over recent years with the corruption of science by those with commercial interests. Not to say this does not happen on both sides but it seems to me that those with most money at stake take less care how the science is interpreted. Glad to see you don’t let the b—–s grind you down. As a long in the tooth bod with a scientific background I find I have become more and more depressed over recent years with the corruption of science by those with commercial interests. Not to say this does not happen on both sides but it seems to me that those with most money at stake take less care how the science is interpreted.

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]]> By: Mark Carterhttp://forargyll.com/2009/12/fishing-the-figures-were-not-given/#comment-20862 Mark Carter Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:59:05 +0000 http://forargyll.com/?p=17956#comment-20862 Thank you for the comments to date, this appears to be stirring some action which I consider nothing but a good thing; getting the unknown out into the public arena. I do feel that a few of the comments require a reply and I would look forward to any responses. I do try to use the most up to date science or best available evidence that I can find when writing articles, and as with any good science if this has been superseded or proven incorrect I would be more than happy to correct it, where possible I can cite the source and anyone involved with science will understand that there may be several differing views, that defines science. I would be more than happy to do articles from a difference angle but this one refers to discards and the fact that different figures appear to have been used within a report. I have tried to “get opinion” or “comment” from those responsible but in three days they have failed to get back to me. This matter does however highlight one problem in particular which I feel needs to be addressed; that is the conveyance of science to the public. Here there are two major obstacles, firstly; in the way most science is written makes it difficult for the general public to understand and secondly is the reluctance for scientists to “get involved” for fear of compromising their “un-biased” opinion. No matter how unbiased we try to portray ourselves we all have an opinion one way or another, even if it is straight down the middle. We need, more scientists to speak out whichever side they choose to represent, although I fully understand this can be difficult when funding applications need to be submitted. I would like to thank the Ed for explaining that the last sentence on waste products was not mine; perhaps another article in the making, where we can cover nitrogen concentrations, land runoff, even the Forestry Commission’s “clear” cutting won’t go unmentioned. Now for the “drivel” comment; I’ve already mentioned that I use the most up to date facts, so drivel I think not. If you want drivel may I suggest that you go to the Scottish Government website where at least one “professional”; drivelled their evidence before the Rural Affairs and Environment Committee concerning the Marine Bill, evidence that will affect us all. Biased, that depends upon your point of view, I have spent a long time listening and watching developments of public financed meetings and groups which are truly biased and polarised towards the commercial sector, just look at the makeup of the Sound of Mull Working Group, if you do not like the alternate view then you don’t have to read my articles, there are plenty of others within the website. For the record through, I am a former self-employed farrier (blacksmith), I have lived on an island for several years trying to make a living from the sea in these difficult times. I understand the need to support ones family, and in order to do that I fully believe in sustainable environmentally friendly use of the seas resources, that is the only way in which my family will be able to enjoy what I have been so privileged to see and a proven method that will support our rural economy for years to come. Thank you for the comments to date, this appears to be stirring some action which I consider nothing but a good thing; getting the unknown out into the public arena. I do feel that a few of the comments require a reply and I would look forward to any responses.

I do try to use the most up to date science or best available evidence that I can find when writing articles, and as with any good science if this has been superseded or proven incorrect I would be more than happy to correct it, where possible I can cite the source and anyone involved with science will understand that there may be several differing views, that defines science.

I would be more than happy to do articles from a difference angle but this one refers to discards and the fact that different figures appear to have been used within a report. I have tried to “get opinion” or “comment” from those responsible but in three days they have failed to get back to me.

This matter does however highlight one problem in particular which I feel needs to be addressed; that is the conveyance of science to the public. Here there are two major obstacles, firstly; in the way most science is written makes it difficult for the general public to understand and secondly is the reluctance for scientists to “get involved” for fear of compromising their “un-biased” opinion. No matter how unbiased we try to portray ourselves we all have an opinion one way or another, even if it is straight down the middle. We need, more scientists to speak out whichever side they choose to represent, although I fully understand this can be difficult when funding applications need to be submitted.

I would like to thank the Ed for explaining that the last sentence on waste products was not mine; perhaps another article in the making, where we can cover nitrogen concentrations, land runoff, even the Forestry Commission’s “clear” cutting won’t go unmentioned.

Now for the “drivel” comment; I’ve already mentioned that I use the most up to date facts, so drivel I think not. If you want drivel may I suggest that you go to the Scottish Government website where at least one “professional”; drivelled their evidence before the Rural Affairs and Environment Committee concerning the Marine Bill, evidence that will affect us all.

Biased, that depends upon your point of view, I have spent a long time listening and watching developments of public financed meetings and groups which are truly biased and polarised towards the commercial sector, just look at the makeup of the Sound of Mull Working Group, if you do not like the alternate view then you don’t have to read my articles, there are plenty of others within the website.

For the record through, I am a former self-employed farrier (blacksmith), I have lived on an island for several years trying to make a living from the sea in these difficult times. I understand the need to support ones family, and in order to do that I fully believe in sustainable environmentally friendly use of the seas resources, that is the only way in which my family will be able to enjoy what I have been so privileged to see and a proven method that will support our rural economy for years to come.

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]]> By: colin carmichaelhttp://forargyll.com/2009/12/fishing-the-figures-were-not-given/#comment-20829 colin carmichael Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:13:46 +0000 http://forargyll.com/?p=17956#comment-20829 I used to enjoy browsing your website but am now getting sick of the completely biased drivel from Mark Carter. From now on I shall visit this website infrequently, if at all. I used to enjoy browsing your website but am now getting sick of the completely biased drivel from Mark Carter. From now on I shall visit this website infrequently, if at all.

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]]> By: tystiehttp://forargyll.com/2009/12/fishing-the-figures-were-not-given/#comment-20820 tystie Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:05:59 +0000 http://forargyll.com/?p=17956#comment-20820 Another very disturbing aspect of commercial fishing in the Clyde area. This year a number of observers have witnessed electro-fishing for Razor Clams being carried out. While enabling the recovery of the clams there is considerable destruction of other marine life. Not much care for the environment. Another very disturbing aspect of commercial fishing in the Clyde area. This year a number of observers have witnessed electro-fishing for Razor Clams being carried out. While enabling the recovery of the clams there is considerable destruction of other marine life. Not much care for the environment.

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]]> By: newsroomhttp://forargyll.com/2009/12/fishing-the-figures-were-not-given/#comment-20807 newsroom Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:24:11 +0000 http://forargyll.com/?p=17956#comment-20807 That sentence was added by the editor and has now been removed - so Mark Carter has no responsibility for its wrongness.. Thank you for pointing this out. That sentence was added by the editor and has now been removed – so Mark Carter has no responsibility for its wrongness.. Thank you for pointing this out.

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]]> By: Death of the future - The Scottish Sea Angling Conservation Networkhttp://forargyll.com/2009/12/fishing-the-figures-were-not-given/#comment-20806 Death of the future - The Scottish Sea Angling Conservation Network Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:11:53 +0000 http://forargyll.com/?p=17956#comment-20806 [...] Condensed from an article on forargyll.com [...] [...] Condensed from an article on forargyll.com [...]

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]]> By: the friendly sealhttp://forargyll.com/2009/12/fishing-the-figures-were-not-given/#comment-20802 the friendly seal Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:52:09 +0000 http://forargyll.com/?p=17956#comment-20802 Its a very interesting article for most of it I agree with. Sometimes you do say the correct things but regularly you only use part of a sceinctific argument to back up what your saying. You very last sentence in this article is worng and it has been proven that the socttish seas are nitrogen rich and that the extract nitrogen put into the water column by fishfarms as very little or no effect on algae blooms. It has also been shown that fishfarms do not cause toxic algae blooms. You need to keep up to date with the science but you do only use the bits of science that suit your argument and you do have a very narrow view. Its a very interesting article for most of it I agree with. Sometimes you do say the correct things but regularly you only use part of a sceinctific argument to back up what your saying.

You very last sentence in this article is worng and it has been proven that the socttish seas are nitrogen rich and that the extract nitrogen put into the water column by fishfarms as very little or no effect on algae blooms. It has also been shown that fishfarms do not cause toxic algae blooms. You need to keep up to date with the science but you do only use the bits of science that suit your argument and you do have a very narrow view.

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